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Just Another Day at the Office for NY Lawmakers

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NY Bill Would Require Gun Owners to Carry $1M Insurance Policies
Yet another avenue of attack on the Second Amendment
By Joseph Albanese December 11, 2018

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New York Governor and ardent Second Amendment opponent Andrew Cuomo.
ABC News
New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Senate democrats continue their quest to usurp the Second Amendment by imposing undue burdens on those exercising that right in the Empire State. The latest attack is a bill that would require “owners of firearms to obtain liability insurance in an amount not less than one million dollars.”
State Senate Bill S2857A, sponsored by Kevin S. Parker, would “amend the insurance law, to require firearm owners, prior to such ownership, to obtain and continuously maintain a policy of liability insurance to cover any damages resulting from the use of such firearm.”

If passed, the bill would require law-abiding gun owners to buy insurance policies that may not even exist within the state yet. It would also represent a financial burden, as these policies will undoubtedly be costly. Many of New York’s State’s lower income citizens fill the freezer with meat obtained during hunting seasons, but the added expense of the insurance would greatly increase the cost of that protein and for hunting as well as home and self defense in general.
The first sentence of the opening paragraph gives a clue as to the potential cost of such a policy:

“Failure to maintain such insurance shall result in the immediate revocation of such owner's registration, license and any other privilege to own such firearm.”
—NY Bill​
“Any person in this State who shall own a firearm shall, prior to such ownership, obtain and continuously maintain a policy of liability insurance in an amount not less than one million dollars specifically covering any damages resulting from any negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person.”
Even if there were an insurance company willing to write such a policy, the cost of coverage for “willful acts involving the use of such firearm” would be astronomical. Of course, none would be willing to carry such a liability.
The last sentence of the opening paragraph is also troubling: “Failure to maintain such insurance shall result in the immediate revocation of such owner's registration, license and any other privilege to own such firearm.”
The drafter of this bill believes that gun ownership is a privilege, and that all guns should be registered. This is diametrically opposed to the principles outlined in the Second Amendment.
The bill states that, “According to FBI Crime Report, there were 445 firearm murder in New York in 2011 and 517 firearm murder in 2010,” as justification (that's in a state with 8.55 million residents), but the New York State Department of Healthindicates that there were an average of “1,098 deaths each year due to unintentional motor vehicle traffic-related injuries,” and “136,913 emergency department visits” per year from 2012 to 2014.
The New York State Department of Financial Services, mandates that motorists “carry a minimum amount of liability insurance of $25,000 for bodily injury to one person,” making it obvious that this bill is just an attack on law-abiding gun owner
 
Gun owners - get out of New York now.

Jesus....here it comes. They are gonna make US all criminals one state at a time. I wonder if they are prepared for millions of criminals being created by this kind of legislation?

VooDoo
 
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This is obviously an undue burden and illegal according to the constitution, but that never stopped anti gun nuts since they choose to ignore the consitution anyway.

Gun owners - get out of New York now.

Jesus....here it comes. They are gonna make US all criminals one state at a time. I wonder if they are prepared for millions of criminals being created by this kind of legislation?

VooDoo
And yes, they are totally fine with turning law abiding citizens into criminals. Remember that a first tenet of real communism/socialism is to control the people and destroy all potential enemies.
 
Obviously, along with criminalizing a large portion of the population.

I am not certain if video clips are still out there to document it but when Hillary had been fighting tooth and nail against Obama for the Dems' nomination back in '08, she had outlined her "gun control plan" where there will be an "early warning system" set up to document, monitor and follow EVERYBODY who tries to apply for gun permits. No shit. That is something to NEVER be forgotten. It is a classic example of just how far the statists are willing to go to bend the entire population around their will.
 
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The people having power to resist the progressive agenda scares statists. They do not "feel safe". Those dumb common people aren't smart enough to figure out what is best for them, so why should they have weapons anyway? The statists cannot abide feeling "unsafe". They know that if they try to take all weapons at once the situation would definitely become unsafe, so they slowly pass a little more restriction at a time to make themselves feel safer. After all, they know best. Why should they have to respect the "God given rights" of the common people. They all know that God doesn't exist, anyway, and even if he did, they are obviously smarter and more pure than Him and He should be subject to their wisdom, for His own good. Then when they think that they are safe enough they will attempt to solidify their "safety" by taking all means of resistance from the dumb, common people in the end, so that they can rule the unwashed masses with an iron fist, "for their own good".
 
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In NY you need a carry license they know who have registered handguns, those would be fist to come and get. Mine included I have a full carry no restrictions but its not valid in the 5 boroughs of NYC... if this shit passes I don't know what I would do....... I'm retired my wife needs 6 more years to get her pension.... we just can't leave I ain't as simple as someone far away saying just leave......my 2 cents.
 
This is why you NEVER register guns.

This would be
Actually a one to three million dollar umbrella liability rider attached to your homeowners costs very little...but I agree with your post

I'm not sure cost is the problem here. It's more about the insurance company and big brother being married. Breath wrong and they contact the insurance company and then comes the knock on your door. Or it opens the floodgates to ban whatever they want and know exactly where it is.

Non-compliance doesn't work here. Anyone with a handgun in NY has a permit so this would require full compliance. Choose not to tell an insurance company about your long guns and run the risk of getting caught with one and lose everything, not to mention criminal charges.

This is just wrong on so many levels.
 
“Any person in this State who shall own a firearm shall, prior to such ownership, obtain and continuously maintain a policy of liability insurance in an amount not less than one million dollars specifically covering any damages resulting from any negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person.”

A one to 3 millions dollar addition to my home owners insurance is indeed cheap. It will not, however, fulfill this obligation. My insurance company will flush me (and you) down the toilet if the use of said weapon is negligent or willful.

VooDoo
 
Look at what some credit card companies have done in trying to say that they will do zero business with firearms related companies. Eventually insurance will be pressured to drop these plans and then you have defacto gun confiscation because no one is "allowed" to own one without insurance.
 
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They are gonna play the same shit they did with the NRA . Make you go to your insurance company and say hey insure me for liability cause I have guns . Then
Cockhomo pressures insurance companies not to insure your home because you have guns . Just like the dickbag from NY that told the Ins company , do buainess with the NRA and we won't do business with you . It's called extortion and it's illegal . Also falls under Fed racketeering statutes .
 
A one to 3 millions dollar addition to my home owners insurance is indeed cheap. It will not, however, fulfill this obligation. My insurance company will flush me (and you) down the toilet if the use of said weapon is negligent or willful.

VooDoo

Sorry but that is wrong or at least in my case it is wrong. If I have a ND in my house and accidentally shoot someone who then sues me, I am covered. I know that is true because I went through it all with my insurer when I purchased the policy. Same as if someone enters my property and my pit bull bites them. I am covered. That is the point of a liability rider to your homeowners liability. I also have a personal liability policy as well for matters that don't involve my property.

And BTW, if you live in NYC and have a legal gun, count yourself in a small minority. Guaranteed fucktard Cuomo don't care about the fact that most guns owned in the 5 boroughs are illegal and owned by criminals. This is nothing more than grandstanding as he knows it won't hold up in court.
 
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Sorry but that is wrong or at least in my case it is wrong. If I have a ND in my house and accidentally shoot someone who then sues me, I am covered. I know that is true because I went through it all with my insurer when I purchased the policy. Same as if someone enters my property and my pit bull bites them. I am covered. That is the point of a liability rider to your homeowners liability. I also have a personal liability policy as well for matters that don't involve my property.

And BTW, if you live in NYC and have a legal gun, count yourself in a small minority. Guaranteed fucktard Cuomo don't care about the fact that most guns owned in the 5 boroughs are illegal and owned by criminals. This is nothing more than grandstanding as he knows it won't hold up in court.
This is totally correct. I have 2 pits, it was a big thing when we bought. I also have other insurances that have to do with work and such, and cover bodily damage to people. Homeowners is definitely different, but not far off. What about the companies that drop drivers who have had oui? Definitely a back door way to some sort of control and registration, both of which I'm not a fan of. I definitely dont need any more insurances though
 
Sorry but that is wrong or at least in my case it is wrong. If I have a ND in my house and accidentally shoot someone who then sues me, I am covered. I know that is true because I went through it all with my insurer when I purchased the policy. Same as if someone enters my property and my pit bull bites them. I am covered. That is the point of a liability rider to your homeowners liability. I also have a personal liability policy as well for matters that don't involve my property.

And BTW, if you live in NYC and have a legal gun, count yourself in a small minority. Guaranteed fucktard Cuomo don't care about the fact that most guns owned in the 5 boroughs are illegal and owned by criminals. This is nothing more than grandstanding as he knows it won't hold up in court.
It's a small minority in the 5 boroughs nyc everywhere else in the state it's common place... A misconception that we don't carry in NEW YORK STATE just the city and they have a premise/ hunting permit or target permit some shit like that.... can only carry when hunting in upstate NY..... This is fucked up.
 
It's a small minority in the 5 boroughs nyc everywhere else in the state it's common place... A misconception that we don't carry in NEW YORK STATE just the city and they have a premise/ hunting permit or target permit some shit like that.... can only carry when hunting in upstate NY..... This is fucked up.

You're absolutely right. I take a PRS/Long Range class in upstate NY and find the people and area awesome. Super friendly and NORMAL people...nothing like NYC. Too bad they have no representation for all the taxes they pay
 
You're absolutely right. I take a PRS/Long Range class in upstate NY and find the people and area awesome. Super friendly and NORMAL people...nothing like NYC. Too bad they have no representation for all the taxes they pay

Or a voice to be heard. Whatever NYC wants for the rest of the state, NYC gets. We really need a good flush.

Where are you taking the classes?
 
As soon as any insurance is made mandatory the price will rocket 1000%.
Just as auto liability did in Texas back in the 70's.

Just like healthcare insurance did as soon as ObamaCare was passed it became pay exorbitant insurance rates, or pay exorbitant medical fees out of pocket & vile fines on top of it as well. (Thanks to that evil snake in the grass Roberts "helping" them instead of just ruling on the law as it was written).
 
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This bill was from the '17-'18 session, and it died in committee without a look. The genius that wrote this click bait article last month neglected to even look up that the NY senate adjourned its 2018 session in June, henceforth this bill had absolutely zero chance of ever passing. The same goes for the previous two versions of the bill dating back to 2013, all died in committee, not even a single co-sponsor lent their name to it nor was there ever a partner bill within the state assembly (although there was one requiring $250k which also died in committee). While the latest session is still very young in NY's new hugely democratic controlled senate, it has yet to be reintroduced for '19-'20. Even NY dems know it's a toxic issue and would immediately face constitutional challenges, that's why its gone absolutely nowhere for the last six years.

Where's the NRA? Focusing on threatening legislation that actually has a chance of passing instead of putting out statements on dead bills. They post a multitude of information how states are either supporting or threatening gun owners' rights every day, and even addressed the insurance requirement legislation in NY back in 2017.

I swear, some of you really need to learn how to do research.
 
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This bill was from the '17-'18 session, and it died in committee without a look. The genius that wrote this click bait article last month neglected to even look up that the NY senate adjourned its 2018 session in June, henceforth this bill had absolutely zero chance of ever passing. The same goes for the previous two versions of the bill dating back to 2013, all died in committee, not even a single co-sponsor lent their name to it nor was there ever a partner bill within the state assembly (although there was one requiring $250k which also died in committee). While the latest session is still very young in NY's new hugely democratic controlled senate, it has yet to be reintroduced for '19-'20. Even NY dems know it's a toxic issue and would immediately face constitutional challenges, that's why its gone absolutely nowhere for the last six years.

Where's the NRA? Focusing on threatening legislation that actually has a chance of passing instead of putting out statements on dead bills. They post a multitude of information how states are either supporting or threatening gun owners' rights every day, and even addressed the insurance requirement legislation in NY back in 2017.

I swear, some of you really need to learn how to do research.

If its a dead issue then why are all the dealers in the area talking about it and other threatening legislation? Someone I am close to in the State Police has acknowledged its existence again. Obviously with complete control of all branches of government why wouldn't they bring it up again? It's the general consensus in the LE and shooting community that Cuomo wants to rid NY of all guns and gun owners and will approach every feasible angle to do so.