Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

[Vette447]

First impression is not that good. It seems to be a stiff trigger pull and it measures 5.0# to 5.5# on my trigger pull gauge. I do like the distinct 2nd stage. You definitely know when you reach the 2nd stage but the trigger pull seems really high to me at 5#+. I think the Armalite 2-stage NM trigger in my Super SASS is nicer so far.

Seems like I have read in numerous places how wonderful these triggers are and how it will help shrink your groups on these POF P-308's as opposed the single stage trigger that came with it. Mind you, I have not fired the gun with it installed yet but have dry fire practiced several times.

After reading all of the praises everywhere for these triggers, I have to wonder... Am I missing something? Do these triggers "break-in" and get better?

 

[problemchild]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

I think you can order or ask for a lighter 1st stage spring that will solve your problem. Give "G" a call and ask them.

I have the NM-HS G trigger and love it. I can adjust from .5-x and its a very nice trigger.

 

[Vette447]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

I have no problem with the first stage. My problem is just that it takes 5#+ to get the trigger to fire.

I have this on a P-308 with 16" bbl that I plan to use as a highly accurate (hopefully) hunting/target shooting gun. Possibly this is not the correct trigger for what I wanted but I thought it would be a good choice after all I have read. I didn't think I needed a fully adjustable "match" trigger but I wasn't expecting my trigger pull weight to be so high (I was thinking it would be like a NM at 4.5# max).

 

[sinister]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

The Super Semi-Automatic (SSA) is the commercial equivalent of the Super Select Fire (SSF) combat trigger. It is meant to be a durable, non-adjustable general-purpose trigger.

You probably want an SSA-E (Enhanced) or one of the match trigger selections.

 

[Vette447]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

I think you may be right that I should have ordered the SSA-E for what I want. Bummer since I just dropped the $170 for the trigger I have. Do you guys know of the SSA-E will work OK in a .308 AR type rifle?

 

[Dtarget]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

I have an SSA-E in a POF .308 and it works...

The SSA description seems to confirm your observation.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spec Sheet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
• The Geissele SSA has a pull weight of about 4.5lb.</div></div>

http://geissele.com/pdfs/ssa-flyer.pdf

Take a look at this chart to pick your next one.

http://geissele.com/pdfs/TriggerSummarySheet.pdf

 

[redirt78]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

I put the blue Timney TITS trigger that came in my P308 into my 16" 556 and dropped my 3# gold Timney in the 20" POF, feels clean and crisp. So much better than the 4-6# blue. I do hear that a lot of people like the SSA-E though

 

[Vette447]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

I was expecting a 4.5# NM type trigger but 5 to 5.5# is my problem. That is not too far from a 7# mil-spec trigger which it not worth a $170 "upgrade" in my opinion. It looks like I chose incorrectly on the SSA, I may have to try an SSA-E if I decide to order another.

Reddirt, my P-308 came with the Gold Timney 3.5# trigger and it does work pretty well. I was simply looking to try the "upgrade" to a 2-stage. Who knows, I may end up going back to the stock Timney.

 

[DMack]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

Vette,

Your observations are correct. The SSA is not a "match" style trigger. It does, have the nice first stage to second stage transition, but the second stage does break around 4 to 5 pounds. I have the SSA in all of my carbines, but I use the SD-E in my precision rigs. The SD-E or "Super Dynamic-Enhanced" is essentially the same trigger as the SSA-E (Super Semi Auto - Enhanced) but with a flat trigger bow / shoe. I really like the flat trigger for my precision rifles, for it allows me to use the bottom of the trigger for maximum mechanical advantage.

The SD-E breaks very clean and light. In fact, when demonstrating this trigger to students, I always tell them that it's a two stage trigger, and not to blow through the second stage... but, almost without fail, they blow through it.

I have not used the SSA-E, but if it breaks like the SD-E, I feel that it may be what you are looking for. Some people prefer the curved trigger bow over the flat... that's why Mr. G made the two.

It's unfortunate that you got a negative vibe on the trigger... Geissele makes very good stuff. But, the SSA is the work horse. That thing will outlast five rifles.

Best of luck with your trigger search.
Cheers!

 

[Vette447]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DMack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Vette,

Your observations are correct. The SSA is not a "match" style trigger. It does, have the nice first stage to second stage transition, but the second stage does break around 4 to 5 pounds. I have the SSA in all of my carbines, but I use the SD-E in my precision rigs. The SD-E or "Super Dynamic-Enhanced" is essentially the same trigger as the SSA-E (Super Semi Auto - Enhanced) but with a flat trigger bow / shoe. I really like the flat trigger for my precision rifles, for it allows me to use the bottom of the trigger for maximum mechanical advantage.

The SD-E breaks very clean and light. In fact, when demonstrating this trigger to students, I always tell them that it's a two stage trigger, and not to blow through the second stage... but, almost without fail, they blow through it.

I have not used the SSA-E, but if it breaks like the SD-E, I feel that it may be what you are looking for. Some people prefer the curved trigger bow over the flat... that's why Mr. G made the two.

It's unfortunate that you got a negative vibe on the trigger... Geissele makes very good stuff. But, the SSA is the work horse. That thing will outlast five rifles.

Best of luck with your trigger search.
Cheers! </div></div>

Thanks. No doubt if I think about the SSA in comparion to a stock AR trigger, it is a vast upgrade. I will probably just have to order a precision rifle trigger to get what I originally wanted. Probably just a mis-interpretation on my part.

 

[9H_Cracka]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

OOOPS - saw SSA in the title after I hit post.

Very simple to address this. You just need to "dog leg" the TRIGGER spring so that it applies less resistance on the trigger movement.

This holds true for all the triggers he sells that use that same spring. When we adjust the first stage of the Service Rifle trigger, the darned thing is over 4.5 lbs on the first stage alone right out of the bag. Gotta bend the legs.

Not sure if the SSA directions show how to change this. If not, go to his web site, pull the National Match Service Rifle instructions, and follow the FIRST STAGE adjustment directions.

 

[Bedlam]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DMack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I use the SD-E in my precision rigs.</div></div>

I got one of those for an SPR. It is the nicest trigger I've ever tried on an AR-15 platform. I really love the flat trigger too.

 

[problemchild]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

Huh?

1st stage = 2.5lbs
2nd stage = 2.0 lbs
Total = 4.5 lbs
"The Geissele SSA has a pull weight of about 4.5lb. 2.5 lbs on the first stage and 2lb on the second stage. "

If you change the 1st stage spring to 1.0 lbs now you have a 3.0lb trigger. Like I said give G a call or continue to be hard headed, doesn't effect me either way.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vette447</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have no problem with the first stage. My problem is just that it takes 5#+ to get the trigger to fire.

I have this on a P-308 with 16" bbl that I plan to use as a highly accurate (hopefully) hunting/target shooting gun. Possibly this is not the correct trigger for what I wanted but I thought it would be a good choice after all I have read. I didn't think I needed a fully adjustable "match" trigger but I wasn't expecting my trigger pull weight to be so high (I was thinking it would be like a NM at 4.5# max). </div></div>

 

[Vette447]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

Yeah. That makes more sense now.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Huh?

1st stage = 2.5lbs
2nd stage = 2.0 lbs
Total = 4.5 lbs
"The Geissele SSA has a pull weight of about 4.5lb. 2.5 lbs on the first stage and 2lb on the second stage. "

If you change the 1st stage spring to 1.0 lbs now you have a 3.0lb trigger. Like I said give G a call or continue to be hard headed, doesn't effect me either way.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vette447</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have no problem with the first stage. My problem is just that it takes 5#+ to get the trigger to fire.

I have this on a P-308 with 16" bbl that I plan to use as a highly accurate (hopefully) hunting/target shooting gun. Possibly this is not the correct trigger for what I wanted but I thought it would be a good choice after all I have read. I didn't think I needed a fully adjustable "match" trigger but I wasn't expecting my trigger pull weight to be so high (I was thinking it would be like a NM at 4.5# max). </div></div> </div></div>

 

[problemchild]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

They might even "upgrade" your trigger if you are not happy. Give G a call they are very helpful.

Keep in mind if you go too light on pull you can bumpfire and do a full auto mag dump at the range. It makes everyone's head turn and look. Ask me how I know.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vette447</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah. That makes more sense now.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Huh?

1st stage = 2.5lbs
2nd stage = 2.0 lbs
Total = 4.5 lbs
"The Geissele SSA has a pull weight of about 4.5lb. 2.5 lbs on the first stage and 2lb on the second stage. "

If you change the 1st stage spring to 1.0 lbs now you have a 3.0lb trigger. Like I said give G a call or continue to be hard headed, doesn't effect me either way.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vette447</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have no problem with the first stage. My problem is just that it takes 5#+ to get the trigger to fire.

I have this on a P-308 with 16" bbl that I plan to use as a highly accurate (hopefully) hunting/target shooting gun. Possibly this is not the correct trigger for what I wanted but I thought it would be a good choice after all I have read. I didn't think I needed a fully adjustable "match" trigger but I wasn't expecting my trigger pull weight to be so high (I was thinking it would be like a NM at 4.5# max). </div></div> </div></div> </div></div>

 

[KillShot]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

I had the SSA and swapped it out for the Geissele SSA-E. In my opinion, it is absolutely perfect for a precision rifle.

 

[DMack]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

Killshot is spot on. I have not used the SSA-E, but it is essentially the same as the SD-E, only the SSA-E has the traditional curved trigger bow / shoe (I've seen it called both).

I went with the SD-E, to give the flat trigger surface a try... I'm sold on it. Either way, the "E" version is soooooo much smoother. Perfect for a precision AR platform.

Cheers!

 

[SmokyJoe]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

I put the SSA in my 5.56 rifle, and a High Speed Match DMR in my POF .308. I measured the SSA trigger pull and it was right at 4.5lbs, which works fine for what I expect to use the 5.56 for. For more precision in the .308, I left the first stage of the DMR at 2.5 lbs and set the second stage at 1.25lbs.

The DMR took some time to set up properly, but works like a champ.

If you are getting a true reading at 5 lbs and over, definitely check in with BG to see what he has to say.

 

[Vette447]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

Just a quick follow-up, I gave Geiselle a call and explained my situation and they were extremely helpful offering to sell me the parts to upgrade to the SSA-E so that I would not have to buy a whole additional unit. They also offered to send me another SSA disconnector for free since I was getting trigger pull readings of 5.0#+ instead of 4.5# as per spec. That is very solid Customer Service in my book. I will post another follow-up once the parts arrive. Thanks!

 

[Vette447]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

Followup: I received the upgrade parts from Geissele today. They really took care of me with the SSA-E disconnect, spring, and trigger spring. I now have a nice SSA-E trigger that breaks cleanly at 3.5# every time.

They also included a 4.5-5# trigger spring, 6# trigger spring, a spare hammer spring, and a T-shirt! I cannot say enough how impressed I am with their customer service. Especially considering that I was the one that made the mistake and ordered the incorrect kit for what I wanted. Above and beyond for sure, I will be ordering a few more in the future. Thanks to all for the help/advice.

 

[dogman]

Re: Just installed Geiselle SSA trigger in my P-308

Good to hear their customer service is as good as their triggers. I have 5 Geissele triggers (and counting) and they are all fantastic. I consider it an essential upgrade to all my carbines (as budget allows). I have the SSA-E on my Mk12 and SSA triggers on the rest.