Night Vision KAC nightvision....anybody try/use it?

[Guest]

I've liked the theory behind Knight's Armament's UNS-SR to be used in conjunction with all of my AR optics (ACOG,Short Dot, Aimpoints). The SR is in the $8k range.

Does anyone know if the KAC stuff is worth the price, or is it best to stick with the tried and true PVS 14 or PVS 22 for night vision?

 

[I^2 Technologies - Peter]

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What the UNS SR's big advantage is it's light and small. Image quality is ok.

A 22 or 24 is going to give you a better image with a wider range of scopes they can be used in front of BUT they are big and heavy, well the 22 is anyway. So if ultimate light weight is your goal then the UNS SR is the lightest goin.

Now it is limited to lower power scopes like you have specified. 5X is about the last place goin up in the power range the image is good. A quick note here true 1X optics like the Aimpoint, when used with any clip on, actually look a bit odd because clip ons have a reverse Afocal built in that allows magnified day optics to see into them. The UNS SR is the best at this by the way.

If you can wait a couple of days I will get some pics through an UNS SR / ACOG / Aimpoint that will show you what it will look like?

IPSC_GUY
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[Guest]

Re: KAC nightvision....anybody try/use it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IPSC_GUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What the UNS SR's big advantage is it's light and small. Image quality is ok.

A 22 or 24 is going to give you a better image with a wider range of scopes they can be used in front of BUT they are big and heavy, well the 22 is anyway. So if ultimate light weight is you goal then the UNS SR is the lightest goin.

Now it is limited to lower power scopes like you have specified. 5X is about the last place goin up in the power range the image is good. A quick note here true 1X optics like the Aimpoint, when used with any clip on, actually look a bit odd because clip ons have a reverse Afocal built in that allows magnified day optics to see into them. The UNS SR is the best at this by the way.

If you can wait a couple of days I will get some pics through an UNS SR / ACOG / Aimpoint that will show you what it will look like?

IPSC_GUY
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Thanks, I'd be very curious to see how the ACOG looks through the SR vs the Aimpoint.

 

[I^2 Technologies - Peter]

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Ohhh the ACOG is very nice, The Aimpoint alas looks like your looking down a straw.

I will see if I can get the picture process rolling here this evening.

IPSC_GUY
SIERRA II ALPHA

 

[I^2 Technologies - Peter]

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Ok here is a shot through an ACOG and the UNS-SR. Now this is under highlight conditions and the structure is right at 200 meters away. I chose this construction sight to try and give you an idea of what something "complex" looks like through the UNS-SR at 4X. The SR is kinda scope specific as it was really and truly designed for the ACOG.

Still working on pics through an Aimpoint but it's like looking through a straw, really. Aimpoints with Clip-Ons are not the best use of the technology. PVS 14s work best with Aimpoints. Plus then ya have the versatility that they afford. I know that is two Night Vision Devices but Clip ons are really one animal, WEAPON SIGHT and they do that well.

This is what the UNS-SR looks like mounted up.

IPSC_GUY
SIERRA II ALPHA

 

[Guest]

Re: KAC nightvision....anybody try/use it?

With the onslaught of 1-8x optics coming to the market, I was hoping this unit would be sort of a do-all in for short to mid-range optics. But like you mention, it may not be the best option for Aimpoints or magnification above 4x. Good to know. BTW, that SPR setup you got there is damn sexy.

 

[I^2 Technologies - Peter]

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That is my little 16 inch gun. It is actually turning into the super versatile set up. I have been running it as my game gun and it sailed through this years Ironman with flying colors.

As for SPRs here ya go,

Also this brings us to the PVS 24. Now people will say that it was designed for the ACOG and that it should not be used on anything larger BUT! ! ! I have found that it is very usable on the Leupold MRT 2.5 to 8 pictured here. Image quality is great up to an including 6X and is still quite usable at 8, or in this case 8.9 on the MRT. I really like this set up for the weight. It spends most of it's time at 2.5 power and if I need to take a long shot I run it up in power. Coyotes, beware...

If ya need pics through the 24 let me know.

IPSC_GUY
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[I^2 Technologies - Peter]

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As requested here are pics through the PVS 24 / Leupold MRT combo.

First at 2.5 power.

Second at 4 power.

Third at 6 power.

Fourth at 8 power.

Last at 8.9 power.

As you can see the PVS 24 will work GRANDLY at the lower powers up to an including 6 power, 8 and 8.9 are still <span style="font-weight: bold">completely</span> usable.

IPSC_GUY
SIERRA II ALPHA

 

[Guest]

Re: KAC nightvision....anybody try/use it?

Thanks IPSC

I never realized how much magnification could affect your image with the PVS clip-on. It has become very apparent that I have much to learn about nv.

 

[I^2 Technologies - Peter]

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Clip Ons are kind of a mystery to a large number of shooters. Fer instance, most people think the magic that happens in one is all up front in the objective... The Objective is just that, a Lens that brings in the light.

The back end of a Clip on, is where everything interesting, optically is occurring. Your Risley Prism set is back there removing the shift. The inverse afocal lens elements are back there that determine how much magnification (day Scope wise) can be used with the unit.

Clip ons have to be matched to the scope range they are going to be used with, there isn't one do all clip on. I know people reading that are like "WHAT?!?!?!?! You mean I <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">MIGHT </span></span> have to by more than one of the insanely expensive things ?!?!?!?

To this I say, Quite possibly if ya wanna cover the entire range of possibilities... Ya I know it's a slippery slope.

Keep askin questions, that is a good thing.

IPSC_GUY
SIERRA II ALPHA

 

[Victor-TNVC]

Re: KAC nightvision....anybody try/use it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IPSC_GUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As requested here are pics through the PVS 24 / Leupold MRT combo.

First at 2.5 power.

Second at 4 power.

Third at 6 power.

Fourth at 8 power.

Last at 8.9 power.

As you can see the PVS 24 will work GRANDLY at the lower powers up to an including 6 power, 8 and 8.9 are still <span style="font-weight: bold">completely</span> usable.

IPSC_GUY
SIERRA II ALPHA </div></div>

Lets get the facts straight about a 56mm lens on a PVS-24. While it may work with higher magnification, this all depends on how much light you have down range. The pics above have a HUGE amount on ambient light, (look at the shadows).

The PVS-22 for example with it's 68mm objective lens pulls in a hell of a light of light compared to a 56mm lens of the 24 and lets not forget about the faster lens of the PVS-22's itself which all relates to seeing in really dark conditions with no ambient light or active IR.

So for folks wanting to just crank up the magnification on the PVS-24 (which is great) be aware of the environmental consideration and just cranking up magnification in a truly dark arena will prove to be VERY troublesome. This is the reason we sell the heck out of the PVS-22 over the 24. The 24 was made SPECIFICALLY for the Block 50 program with ACOGS, thus the main reason for the small 56mm objective lens and somewhat slower f/stop.

 

[I^2 Technologies - Peter]

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Oh yeah I totally agree, a 22 is going to be brighter and even a touch sharper than the 24 no doubt about it. Got both use both. Running a 24 on the 2.5 to 8 is stretching it's capabilities. However and this is for me, I like it's lighter weight and it's more compact size allowing it to work on both of my Quasi Precision .223 guns. For my applications it is more than adequate to pop coyotes and pigs, pretty much month round, out to most distances I would shoot them in the day time. If it is really dark there is ALWAYS supplemental IR.

The 22 and the 24 shouldn't be thought of as analogous products. Alas most people do becuse they look sorta the same and they are both clip ons but they are not meant for the same range of scopes. The PVS 24 and OSTI TANS are in the same category, problem is the TANS low production numbers and very high cost (as compared to the PVS 24) make it a rare animal in the civilian market place.

So for the OP who is wondering about smaller clip ons for lower powered scopes, I would take the 24 over the KAC UNS-SR. The 22 is meant for another power category altogether.

IPSC_GUY
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[cj7hawk]

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Just one other quick point to make - the system resolution on most clip-on devices is rather low. Because of the high light environment in the image, that isn't all that obvious. Also, no matter how much you increase the magnification of your scope, this will not improve things.

Here's a quick table calculating out the maximum resolution of each device before losses ( actual resolution will be lower ) under a high light environment. The final column is the minimum resolution size in inches at 500 yd.

From this it can be seen that the PVS-24 and the PVS-22 have significant variation in the system resolution as well as the other areas mentioned above. This means that even if the PVS-24 had a faster lens, it still has a much lower resolution than the PVS-22.

Also, a dedicated scope will usually outperform a smaller clip-on device.

Regards
David

 

[Asm1]

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Are you useing a bolt gun? Are you useing a Fighting weapon AR15/10/SCAR? Are you wanting to use the clip on the way you think it should be used or Are you wanting to use NV to the best fighting Ability to survive the Fight the way it is actualy going to happen?
99% of any Fight at night will be inside 50 yards,100-150 yards if all hell broke loose..

If we just show our Kit off to friends and talk about how cool it is then buy whatever all the kids are buying and look cool.
If you may actualy need this the way many think is comeing look around and think twice about your purchase make it count..

IMHO anything clip on larger than a PVS24 is for staying in one place with a Large caliber bolt gun.

The PVS24-LR is a Good unit to extend the range over the standard PVS24 as is The pvs22/PVS27,with a top tube are is kick ass if you stay put and dont Carry it on a weapon,it soon becomes a nusence in the field carrying it mounted,A pvs24 is bad enough anythig larger just sucks..

Diffrent tools for diffrent job Pick the wrong tool and the other guy picked the right tool,I dont have to tell you how that would end... Maybe some think the world is going to get better and we wont realy need this Kit for more than show and tell,I hope peace and love is the outcome,But I choose the tools to survive a fight at night if the bad happens.

All that in the Open,Raptor/Aquilla,PVS17 will have better clarity Field performance/ballance than any clip on,With the quality mounts that return to zero its possible to have a DAY scope and a Night scope ready to drop on a weapon in the field.


Paper makes the PVS24 look an under achiever lots of things look better on paper,One example is when we took Guns off fighters in Nam,That old paper lost alot of Hi tech Fighter to Low tech migs with Guns when the Fight was belt Bucle close(DOG FIGHT)..I think some paper is better left on the desk and use what gets the Job done for the task.

ISPC-GUY sound to actualy use his Kit to make kills,This is how you learn to sharpen your tools with live Prey,Paper gives you many chances and never runs off,He has many tools and used the tool that works the best for the task which isnt the best paper performer...

 

[NoveSPR]

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Where does the Aquilla fit into the above chart?

 

[Asm1]

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I dont know,But The Filmless aquilla realy left the Raptor6x behind,Hope this helps?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoveSPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where does the Aquilla fit into the above chart? </div></div>

 

[cj7hawk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Paper makes the PVS24 look an under achiever lots of things look better on paper,One example is when we took Guns off fighters in Nam,That old paper lost alot of Hi tech Fighter to Low tech migs when the Fight was belt Bucle close..I think some paper is better left on the desk and use what gets the Job done for the task. </div></div>

Sorry ASM1, can't agree. Paper is just a way to demonstrate and illustrate an argument. it's a shame that sometimes when people who don't know how to interpret paper correctly get involved that that usually ends up badly, but no amount of blind faith is going to address a shortfall on paper.

Under 50 yards, I would not want a PVS-24. Most dayscopes have a FOV of somewhere around 3 degrees. Not much. Your average monocular has a FOV of 40 degress. Now tell me honestly, at under 50m, blind except for your NOD, whether you'd prefer a monocular and a laser or a PVS-24 with an effective FOV of 3 to 5 degrees?

Or if you prefer mounted, a PVS-14 behind a reflex sight still giving you 40 degrees of sight instead of 3 degrees?

On paper, I really got to say that your argument doesn't make much sense. Of course, I'm not a soldier anymore and for all I know, maybe looking down a narrow pipe where you can't see anything really is better now than a wider field-of-vision but it certainly wasn't back when I tried it.

And there's your problem. Mismatching components really screws things up and it's easier to sort out on paper, though as you've probably encountered, you are expected to commit most of that paper to memory, but it's still paper or at least was. Once you sort the basic stuff out, then figure out the field side. No sense doing something mismatched like putting an 8x scope behind a PVS-24 is there?

Most ACOG's have a wider FOV than typical riflescopes. A 3x, 3.5x and 4x have 11, 16 and 20 degrees FOV, respectively based on published data.( assuming you're close enough to it ).

A PVS-24 has a lens FOV of 18.6 degrees, so assuming everything is optimal, it's pretty well suited to the 3.5x and 4x ACOG.

Now go and stick your typical 6x dayscope into the same ACOG? You're now at 3 degrees, so you've limited your FOV which is tactically undesirable,
worse, you've just lost 83% of your tube resolution which means the fight had better be under 50m and with a full moon or you're likely to be in serious trouble - assuming you can even find the enemy since you now have to scan the entire horizon like a turret to spot anything.

The PVS-24 is a good scope and you're absolutely right - pick the right tool for the job. But unless you're using an ACOG, then the PVS-24 is not the right tool for the job and we can see that pretty quickly on paper.

So if you're using a dayscope, a PVS-22 will give you 20% more FOV and resolution not to mention better system gain. The PVS-27 will nearly double everything.

If you're using a clip-on with a normal telescopic sight of high zoom, choose wisely. Or go dedicated...

And there's nothing wrong with using paper or tables to help you get a little closer to optimal before you let your experience and determination do the fine tuning.

Because on paper, it never made sense to get rid of guns from planes... Except from a commercial perspective.

Regards
David.

 

[Asm1]

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We use 1.5x with PVS24 and kills inside 20 feet are no problem..

Acogs and pvs24 dont realy work that well together off paper that is..

BTW.Nice paper is does show the performance numbers aspect..

Frankie..

 

[Victor-TNVC]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Paper makes the PVS24 look an under achiever lots of things look better on paper,One example is when we took Guns off fighters in Nam,That old paper lost alot of Hi tech Fighter to Low tech migs with Guns when the Fight was belt Bucle close(DOG FIGHT)..I think some paper is better left on the desk and use what gets the Job done for the task.

ISPC-GUY sound to actualy use his Kit to make kills,This is how you learn to sharpen your tools with live Prey,Paper gives you many chances and never runs off,He has many tools and used the tool that works the best for the task which isnt the best paper performer... </div></div>

While I understand your "paper" comment to some extent...Let's not fool the masses showing how a device is now an "over achiever" with night shots containing huge amounts of ambient light which obviously the above pics do.

I'd rather sacrifice a bit of weight and use a device like the 22 for ALL lighting conditions (buy once as most cannot have both) instead of getting stuck with a device such as the 24 when the darkness really falls on them with that 56mm objective and slow lens.

I know your a L3 guy all the way, along with your relationship with Summit and a few other individuals here, cool. But when pictures get posted like this showing a device with huge amounts of ambient light, it's deceiving at best for most who do not know.

As mentioned MOST folks around here cannot have both as some of us do. I actually own and shoot/test with 5 (I2 only devices as I have thermal clip on's as well). These consist of the PVS-22, PVS-24, PVS-24LR, PVS-26 and PVS-27.

If I had to purchase one device (as mentioned again if one cannot afford to have more than one)...IMHO, the best overall for price and performance in ALL lighting conditions is the PVS-22 for short, med and somewhat long engagements (based on environment and if one wants to use active IR).

We see way too many (will not mention) companies using false pictures and extremely high light light environments showing how a device is now an over-achiever based on "paper shots" to "sell" for their respected "friends". ISPC_GUY knows this well and has a LONG history of "show and telling" devices for his own "sell", (discrediting other products and us at the same time all in the name of an "honest review"), so please do not get me started here, because it will not end well with this LONG history.

What I will not do is stand idly by with false non realistic high light pictures like this as I have way too many LE customers and hunters who see stuff like this all the time which fools them believing their PVS-24 will look this good on a dark night. Once they get the device, they realize on a very dark night they cannot get any higher magnification than 4-6x without the use of active IR before the sparkles set in. While great for hunters, may not be great for others.

Also, "Paper Specifications" can and DO help one understand some simple physics of a device before they buy, but agreed, it's not the do-all. Of course nothing was said about any of the this until I mentioned the obvious with the pretty 9x pictures and "paper" specs of the 24 itself, that was all left out to begin with.

In closing, you can wave the flag of your choice who you align with, but I will not let non realistic just about "day light" pictures (in which a day scope probably could have been used) to fool the masses that a PVS-24 56mm lens pulls in this much performance at 9x! Paper (physics) and real life dark nights tell you more and with your experience I hear you have should tell you that as well.

Vic

 

[Guest]

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Lite is right,...those who have BTDT, know an live that little fact. If paper were the total truth say'er, we would not be having issue with AK's an other shit designed in the late 40's an 50's an used by those wearing rags on their heads.

Tactics an balls win fights, not paper spec's, an night fights are most always close an very fast paced, even when NV is used.

 

[cj7hawk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tactics an balls win fights, not paper spec's, an night fights are most always close an very fast paced, even when NV is used. </div></div>

I fully agree, but I still wouldn't want to go into a close-up firefight with a rifle-mounted NOD. Though if you'd prefer to go with a PVS-24 instead of a laser/monocular combo, then you definitely have balls...

But I'd prefer to use tactics and learning equipment capabilities, whether in practice or off paper, is a tactic.

I think we're all pointing in the same direction in this thread though and ASM1 said it pretty well in his last post.

The PVS-24 is best suited to short-range work where magnification is low - around 1.5x - and there is a lot of light ( eg, full moon ) but you still want to use a mounted sight.

If you're going for higher levels of magnification (3x and up), then the PVS-22 is probably more suited to the task.

And if you're up close and personal, then a head-mounted NOD and an external out-of-band aiming device is considered ideal.

Which is what this thread really is about because I don't question that everyone here already understands tactics and has balls.

However if we're going to get into a discussion of tactics, then you might want to jump over onto Vic's (TNVC) thread for tactics training - it's far more suited to the mechanics of that discussion and IIRC, the nuts and bolts of the course are presented by three ex-SO guys who really know their stuff and Vic's probably kicked more doors than I've opened.

Regards
David

 

[Asm1]

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Vic/Cj7hawk I agree to disagree,Any more talking about it is useles,there is to much lost in the translation and to many variables on how we use our kit vs your kit and the location/conditions,I dont think you are tards,But I dont beleave what your saying to be the truth as I know it..

CJ7HAWK we use head Nods and Aimers no dout,You act as if we are tards here..

Vic you work your problems with ISPC-Guy out without me,I dont know him or your Agenda with Him..Also I am an ITT guy you need better intell.

 

[cj7hawk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
CJ7HAWK we use head Nods and Aimers no dout,You act as if we are tards here..
</div></div>

Hi ASM1,

I don't mind disagreeing. Discussion is a good thing. But it was not my intention to give the impression that you are a tard or that I think this of you. It's clear from your posts that you both work with NV and have considerable experience.

So for any personal offence that the style or wording of my post may have caused, I apologise.

ASM1, your clarification of how you use your PVS-24 was genuinely useful to me. I had never considered such things as use with a 1.5x scope but I agree, when using very low magnifications, having as much FOV as possible is important and your selection of the PVS-24 for such work makes sense. I said as much in my last post as well so you can assume that I've learned something from your post.

My assumption that you preferred a PVS-24 over a monocular/laser combination was based on your earlier comments. Clearly I was mistaken in that assumption... Though I still stand by my comment that I think it takes balls to work with a weapon mounted NOD with limited FOV in circumstances when up-close and people are firing back.

My primary intent is to spread as much knowledge of using NV gear as I can. Paper is my specialty, perhaps tactics are yours. But there are limits to the usefulness of the PVS-24 and these are set by it's characteristics. Understanding those limitations will also help in planning for tactical situations.

And feel free to challenge anything I say. I may come back with a sharp response at times, but I will not be offended by what I am responding to and my responses should be viewed in the same manner.

Regards
David

 

[Asm1]

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Its all good David,I cant get out what I meen threw the keyboard corrrect some times and leave alot left in translation and one can only try and understand what is typed, my fault realy,I am much better in person.

We do try alot of diffrent things and we have learned alot and Know what works for what we do,we get the kill or Not and that's how we know whats working and whats not.I dont know the degree of view useing the 1.5x vs our T-1 and PVS14's,Its not to far off,or we dont notice if its less or more..We get precise shot placement with the pvs24 at 1.5x and we can yank it around on the magnifactaion to allow better target ID if needed..Laser and Head Nod's are Primary and PVS24 is when we set up a location or need to get a precise shot off,or We dont want AIMERS going down range..depends on the LOCATION and Prey..
The PVS24 is a tool and it fits what we do inside 300 yards well and its actually more performance than needed for what we do with it,much past that and I want a PVS22 period. No argument there,But I dont do much past 150 yards at night,Unless its for Fun..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cj7hawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
CJ7HAWK we use head Nods and Aimers no dout,You act as if we are tards here..
</div></div>

Hi ASM1,

I don't mind disagreeing. Discussion is a good thing. But it was not my intention to give the impression that you are a tard or that I think this of you. It's clear from your posts that you both work with NV and have considerable experience.

So for any personal offence that the style or wording of my post may have caused, I apologise.

ASM1, your clarification of how you use your PVS-24 was genuinely useful to me. I had never considered such things as use with a 1.5x scope but I agree, when using very low magnifications, having as much FOV as possible is important and your selection of the PVS-24 for such work makes sense. I said as much in my last post as well so you can assume that I've learned something from your post.

My assumption that you preferred a PVS-24 over a monocular/laser combination was based on your earlier comments. Clearly I was mistaken in that assumption... Though I still stand by my comment that I think it takes balls to work with a weapon mounted NOD with limited FOV in circumstances when up-close and people are firing back.

My primary intent is to spread as much knowledge of using NV gear as I can. Paper is my specialty, perhaps tactics are yours. But there are limits to the usefulness of the PVS-24 and these are set by it's characteristics. Understanding those limitations will also help in planning for tactical situations.

And feel free to challenge anything I say. I may come back with a sharp response at times, but I will not be offended by what I am responding to and my responses should be viewed in the same manner.

Regards
David </div></div>

 

[Victor-TNVC]

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ASM1, my whole contention was about the HIGH magnification shown with the PVS-24 at 9x which is pure B.S. without a disclaimer about how bright it has to be out there...No contention on what works for you as you were NOT depicting 9x pics or telling the masses this scope works at that.

I am curious (because we do train a lot around here, and I still learn ). What day scopes are you using in this fashion? Curious here as there is not a lot of 1.5x's out there.

It's good to finally hear more folks like you knowing that going passive is a good thing at times...I've always professed this and a QD TM-14 mount from head to weapon has worked especially well for the folks we train and get feedback from that use a 14. Years ago we got hammered for even talking about putting a NOD on a gun for close in work due to the old cliche' "you have to point your gun at everything you want to look at, and you can sweep friendlies". Indeed quite true at times, but also a need to go passive was and is paramount at times.

Also, you mentioned the ACOG and the 24 not working well together? Also curious here because Crane sure spent a whole bunch of money on this system to specifically work with ACOGS and Specter DR's (which the DR does have the 1.5x capability).

Crane has not gotten it right before on a few occasions so I am curious in your opinion what the ACOG NSN issue is with the 24 besides being fixed 4x which I'm guessing is the real issue here because of your employment doctrines you use at times. Thanks.

Vic

 

[Asm1]

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Vic I did a shoot out with ..SPECTER DR 1-4...ACOG's TA31F,TA55....Leupold MR/T 2.5-8X35,Leupold MR/T 1/5-5 gen 3 which works the best of them all with the pvs24..The clarity with the 1.5x mr/t was head and shoulders above the ACOGS or the SPECTER DR 1-4.

ELCAN specter DR 1-4 had tunnel vision on 1x and useless to me,but it did work OK ..

I have used sence then HENSOLDT 3-12X56,4-16X56...NXS 2.5X10X24...2.5X10X32...LEUPOLD 3.5X10X40MM FFP...AIMPOINT T-1 and a 3X magnafier with the PVS24 it was usable,but I didnt do any shooting with it yet.

ome times persons farther up the trail like Crane for one have say of what we may have to use in WAR,But dummys like me all over the country may hold the key to a better deck of cards ?

Make No mistake I am just a User and kill things,I am no one....

when PRECISION accuracy is needed the CLIP On rule over NOD's and AIMERS,As you already know the Tools for the job and how to combine them,We carry AIMERS with NOD's head mounted and Clip ons ready to go when its the better tool than the aimers for the JOB..

Here are a few pics I had posted,I dont do many pics or reviews,But I do a lot of field testing live and play..

1.5-5 MR/T

By asm1 at 2011-04-15

 

[Asm1]

Re: KAC nightvision....anybody try/use it?

Here is a Post in its original form as posted in the past..


Its OK.. We try a few scopes with the PVS24..Its NO RAPTOR..But it is nice to use the day scope and use the dope just like you would without the pvs24..Its a light unit and easy to use..I say its a keeper for a couple weeks who know ?

T55A ACOG 5.5X50 SUCKS..
TA31RCO 4X SUCKS..
ELCAN SPECTER DR 1X-4X KINDA OK..
Leupold MR/T 1.5-5 GEN3 works well 1.5-3..
Leupold MR/T 2.5X8X36 Works well on 2.5-5..

Next time I hope to try a NXS 2.5X10X32..
Took the pics with an I-phone..Moon was 3/4 at least..



LEUPOLD MR/T 2.5-8X36 ON 2.5X Moo Moo 198 yards..

By asm1 at 2011-04-14

5X

By asm1 at 2011-04-14

PVS14 with a super MOFO tube and a 3x lens..

By asm1 at 2011-04-14

By asm1 at 2011-04-20

 

[Guest]

Re: KAC nightvision....anybody try/use it?

Guys, it's ok. I won't be buying any night vision. Feel free to enjoy some Van Dammage.

 

[Victor-TNVC]

Re: KAC nightvision....anybody try/use it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Vic I did a shoot out with ..SPECTER DR 1-4...ACOG's TA31F,TA55....Leupold MR/T 2.5-8X35,Leupold MR/T 1/5-5 gen 3 which works the best of them all with the pvs24..The clarity with the 1.5x mr/t was head and shoulders above the ACOGS or the SPECTER DR 1-4.

ELCAN specter DR 1-4 had tunnel vision on 1x and useless to me,but it did work OK ..

I have used sence then HENSOLDT 3-12X56,4-16X56...NXS 2.5X10X24...2.5X10X32...LEUPOLD 3.5X10X40MM FFP...AIMPOINT T-1 and a 3X magnafier with the PVS24 it was usable,but I didnt do any shooting with it yet.

<span style="color: #FF0000"> ome times persons farther up the trail like Crane for one have say of what we may have to use in WAR,But dummys like me all over the country may hold the key to a better deck of cards ?</span>

Make No mistake I am just a User and kill things,I am no one....

when PRECISION accuracy is needed the CLIP On rule over NOD's and AIMERS,As you already know the Tools for the job and how to combine them,We carry AIMERS with NOD's head mounted and Clip ons ready to go when its the better tool than the aimers for the JOB..

Here are a few pics I had posted,I dont do many pics or reviews,But I do a lot of field testing live and play..

1.5-5 MR/T

By asm1 at 2011-04-15

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Amen to that! Check, following here and thank you for the reply and pics you posted on a I-PHONE?? Geez, they look better than most high end cameras!