I just watched the judge poll the jurors. Convicted of both 1st degree and 2nd degree manslaughter. We'll see what happens next.
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Kim Potter found Guilty of both Counts!
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Thank God it's over! I watched the whole thing and was worried at the end of today there was gonna be a hung jury and not a verdict. I'm happy with the verdict. You fuck up, you gotta pay. We learn that at a young age that accidents happen, but accidents also carry consequences.
I agree that she needed to face consequences for her mistake. But I’m not sure that the charges they found her guilty of are just. Does she deserve to spend decades in prison because muscle memory took over in a tense situation where the suspect was resisting arrest? I don’t think so.
Just another verdict where the cop swings and the POS perp has no fault.
The perp ate a bullet dude. And he stayed down. Forever.
I know, he more than got what he deserved, however it was his actions and not hers that caused the entire situation.
Cops the world over should remember this day. No good deed goes unpunished.
If I was patrolling the hood and the animals were lying bleeding in the street, I'd fucking wave and keep driving.
If I was patrolling the hood and the animals were lying bleeding in the street, I'd fucking wave and keep driving.
Accidentally offing a dirtbag should get a lighter sentance.
She's got no criminal record, so I'm guessing the sentence is gonna be 5-10 years. Gotta remember folks she has just manslaughter convictions and not murder convictions like Chauvin got.
A mistake is not 1st Degree / Premeditated Murder . What a shit show .
Edit : I just re read and I'm wrong . 1st Degree Manslaughter . Still bullshit .
Edit : I just re read and I'm wrong . 1st Degree Manslaughter . Still bullshit .
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Nobody in the trial said it was. Both the state and defense agreed that she didn't commit any form of murder and didn't mean to shoot Daunte Wright.
I don't understand how you can shoot one person & be convicted of 2 manslaughters... I feel like it didn't used to be like that.
Interesting shift in the application of laws lately. Often, when a mistake was made in the past, it was "negligent homicide".
We now have a trucker who made a mistake, and an officer who made a mistake get convicted.
Does this now mean that when a Doctor makes a medical mistake, he will face prison time? Does this now mean when an Engineer makes a mistake, and a structure fails, he will get prison time?
This is a quite slippery slope.
We now have a trucker who made a mistake, and an officer who made a mistake get convicted.
Does this now mean that when a Doctor makes a medical mistake, he will face prison time? Does this now mean when an Engineer makes a mistake, and a structure fails, he will get prison time?
This is a quite slippery slope.
And so begins the true downfall of law enforcement. It's only going to get worse in the streets...
Listen, mistakes happen...yes. Accidents happen...yes. Justice....okay...sure....served.
Yet we CONTINUE to allow Politicians to be in GOV positions LONG after they have done horrible things.
Listen, mistakes happen...yes. Accidents happen...yes. Justice....okay...sure....served.
Yet we CONTINUE to allow Politicians to be in GOV positions LONG after they have done horrible things.
She had two weapons on her. A pistol, and a pistol-shaped Tazer. As per protocol, she called out "tazer tazer" as she drew and fired... but it was not the tazer.
But yes, having two convictions for the same action seems to be becoming the norm these days.
That's just how certain states work. In MN the crimes are concurrent not consecutive so it really doesn't matter that she was convicted of 2 manslaughters.
The same exact thing could be said for her joining the police academy having caused her to be here for this incident.
My son is a cop and I was in corrections. I have no illusions about who is being done what to.
No media spun bullshit about the next “cure for cancer award winning doctor” being killed while using his organs to dispose of all these dangerous drugs for the safety of all mankind...
Manslaughter is the charge for killing someone accidentally (and in some jurisdictions it’s used for murders of passion). She got the right charge IMHO.
I did watch the trial. I think she acted reasonably in going to tase the criminal. She could have also made a halfway decent case for just shooting him based on the 911 call and the fact another officer was in danger of severe injury or death.
BUT - she committed an act of workplace accidental negligence that resulted in a persons death. This needs to be accounted for.
Far more clearly so than what happened to Chauvin.
I have a personal desire to push back against all forms of this political persecution because it is part and parcel with Communism destroying America and should be resisted.
But the second you take sides and the side you choose isn’t “justice as delivered by society’s institutions” you lose. They win.
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Manslaughter not murder.
I think the difference....pulling this out of my ass, easy enough to Google but I am being lazy.......between 1st manslaughter and 2nd manslaughter is the degree to which you should have known that your actions could cause serious bodily harm/death.
Her training and position meant she should never have drawn the glock instead of the taser....even if her training, which is the case in most police departments, is lacking.
2nd manslaughter would mean you were the average person and you did something that a reasonable person would have known could cause serious bodily harm/death.
This is basically a warning shot to all cops or anyone that uses self defense for that matter - dont be a dumb ass.
I'm with those who thinks this was a BS case.
How can you be convicted of 2 counts of manslaughter for one act? Another cop sacrificed to BLM.
Even if you agree with the manslaughter guilt, it was a single act. Absolute BS.
How can you be convicted of 2 counts of manslaughter for one act? Another cop sacrificed to BLM.
Even if you agree with the manslaughter guilt, it was a single act. Absolute BS.
But for the perp’s decision to resist and attempted gta, this thread (and the entire court case it’s the subject of) wouldn’t exist. Yes, she fucked up and should be held accountable but in civil court, not criminal court.
If you have ever sat on a jury on a felony trial, hell probably any trial that is, you will get a jury instructions packet. In there is the legal definition of the charge as well as usually a bunch of definitions of legal terms in said law if they are not known to be "common language" words.
I sat on a felony jury about 1.5 months ago. Guy's charge was 1 count, but in the legal definition of the law there were 3 stipulations. We didnt think he was guilty on the 1st 2 stipulations, but was guilty on the 3rd. So we found him guilty. In sentencing, that the lawyers decided to let us handle, we gave him basically the min sentence we could under the law which was 2 years probation.
So there is way more to certain laws and jury trials once you get into the nitty gritty. You would have to have a copy of the state law and have watched 100% of the trial to make a decision... and like I said if there are 4 or 5 parts to the law and you find guilty on 1 part, its guilty on the whole thing. In our case we were glad the lawyers decided to let us decide punishment because we only believed he was guilty of 1 part of a 3 part law.
Being on a jury for a felony case was eye opening how complicated things in the court system are.
Well if Mr. Wright had not sped off in his car, is there a possibility they could have saved his life?
She deserves a punishment for her mistake, but given his actions, I don’t have much sympathy for him.
Also had she not shot him... possibility of one or both them being dragged. Given his sweat shirt and under shirt I question if the Taser would’ve worked.
Tough situation this kid caused.
She deserves a punishment for her mistake, but given his actions, I don’t have much sympathy for him.
Also had she not shot him... possibility of one or both them being dragged. Given his sweat shirt and under shirt I question if the Taser would’ve worked.
Tough situation this kid caused.
I guess I was hoping that they would have found not guilty on 1st degree manslaughter, guilty on 2nd degree. First degree, to me, would be more appropriate if she had drawn her gun on someone who wasn't resisting and then ND'd into the person, killing them. Still an accident, but pointing the gun at someone unnecessarily would make the offense much more serious, possibly beyond manslaughter.
With the perp resisting, attempting to operate a vehicle with another officer half in/out of the door, she would, at minimum, have her hand on the grip of the holstered pistol incase deadly force was necessary to protect her partner. Remember, they also have no idea if there is a gun in that car or not. Im sure officers are trained trained to draw the pistol quickly to protect themselves when deadly force is necessary. She was very close to being in that situation. If muscle memory takes over and she subconsciously draws the gun in the scuffle, while yelling taser, I just don't see how that rises to first degree offense.
With the perp resisting, attempting to operate a vehicle with another officer half in/out of the door, she would, at minimum, have her hand on the grip of the holstered pistol incase deadly force was necessary to protect her partner. Remember, they also have no idea if there is a gun in that car or not. Im sure officers are trained trained to draw the pistol quickly to protect themselves when deadly force is necessary. She was very close to being in that situation. If muscle memory takes over and she subconsciously draws the gun in the scuffle, while yelling taser, I just don't see how that rises to first degree offense.
When all said and done.. she'll likely do less actual time behind bars than some of the J6 trespassers.
the perp’s actions are what got him killed. and there are few people out there that had it coming more than him. and NOT just for his actions while they attempted to detain him.
the female cop- it’s too bad she didnt intend to go for the gun instead of the taser. a very strong arguement could have been made for justifiable use of deadly force. none of us know, but she might have actually prevented him from crashing into someone and killing them-it has happened before.
and i am at a loss as to how she didnt know it was the taser and not the glock. but she did intend to go for the taser, and mistakenly used the gat. kinda slam dunk as far as manslaughter solely based on that mistake.
in the end…..a person that deserved some karma got some. God will sort it out in the end, His will be done.
the female cop- it’s too bad she didnt intend to go for the gun instead of the taser. a very strong arguement could have been made for justifiable use of deadly force. none of us know, but she might have actually prevented him from crashing into someone and killing them-it has happened before.
and i am at a loss as to how she didnt know it was the taser and not the glock. but she did intend to go for the taser, and mistakenly used the gat. kinda slam dunk as far as manslaughter solely based on that mistake.
in the end…..a person that deserved some karma got some. God will sort it out in the end, His will be done.
I have mixed feelings about this case.
Yes the perp caused this and yes it appears they were mere milliseconds from justifying deadly force if he was trying to drive away thereby endangering at least one of the officers.
It is clear from the evidence that this was an accidental shooting on her part.
On the other hand she had 26 years on the force. I think that was the tipping point for the jury.
When one juxtaposes this against the John Hurley good Samaritan shooting case in Colorado, it is easy to see a disparity. John was white. Had he been black that cop would have faced consequences. He didn’t even get a slap on the wrist, just some paid days off. We STILL do not have full transparency. That Officer shot the wrong person in a state of panic, intentionally…..
Yes the perp caused this and yes it appears they were mere milliseconds from justifying deadly force if he was trying to drive away thereby endangering at least one of the officers.
It is clear from the evidence that this was an accidental shooting on her part.
On the other hand she had 26 years on the force. I think that was the tipping point for the jury.
When one juxtaposes this against the John Hurley good Samaritan shooting case in Colorado, it is easy to see a disparity. John was white. Had he been black that cop would have faced consequences. He didn’t even get a slap on the wrist, just some paid days off. We STILL do not have full transparency. That Officer shot the wrong person in a state of panic, intentionally…..
For far too long the police have felt that they can go around killing anyone for any or no reason and get away with it.
For far too long the police have felt they can brutalize anyone they want, do anything they want and make up anything they want and get away with it.
For far too long the police who were "good" covered up, locked ranks, looked the other way and excused the "handful of bad apples".
For far too long the police did all kinds of bad actions and got away with it, every time making them bolder to do worse.
Well society has gotten fed up and it's now swinging the other way and that's a bit tough for some, but the police really only have themselves to blame.
If they hadn't turned "in fear for my life" into essentially meaning their balls or whatever felt a twinge, they wouldn't be in this mess.
For far too long the police have felt they can brutalize anyone they want, do anything they want and make up anything they want and get away with it.
For far too long the police who were "good" covered up, locked ranks, looked the other way and excused the "handful of bad apples".
For far too long the police did all kinds of bad actions and got away with it, every time making them bolder to do worse.
Well society has gotten fed up and it's now swinging the other way and that's a bit tough for some, but the police really only have themselves to blame.
If they hadn't turned "in fear for my life" into essentially meaning their balls or whatever felt a twinge, they wouldn't be in this mess.
Would have liked to see some of that warrior spirit and hustle during 200 nights of riots in 300 cities - then maybe I’d feel bad for miss piggy going to prison.
So according to all the cop lovers in this thread Ive learned a couple things
1) cops are above the laws…….
2) the next time a cop is standing on the side of the road and a sleepy drive crosses out of their lane and hits and kills him they should be released at the scene to continue home, because hey they didn’t mean to kill him it was an accident….
That man, dirt bag or not is guaranteed a trial by a jury of his peers, instead he was killed by a incompetent cop…
1) cops are above the laws…….
2) the next time a cop is standing on the side of the road and a sleepy drive crosses out of their lane and hits and kills him they should be released at the scene to continue home, because hey they didn’t mean to kill him it was an accident….
That man, dirt bag or not is guaranteed a trial by a jury of his peers, instead he was killed by a incompetent cop…
Watching her cry on the stand during testimony made me question if she was too emotional to be in her position to start with.
What was the root cause of her not knowing what weapon she was using? Emotional or lack of training? Well, she was a training officer with 26 years so I revert to her lack of control over her emotions in a stressful situation.
I am ambivalent to the results.
What was the root cause of her not knowing what weapon she was using? Emotional or lack of training? Well, she was a training officer with 26 years so I revert to her lack of control over her emotions in a stressful situation.
I am ambivalent to the results.
The dude she accidentally shot was a POS, anything more than 2-3 years is bullshit.
I’m not sure but I think people who choose to become police for whatever reasons should be afforded a certain measure of “leeway” otherwise this keeps up there will be no one who wants to become a police officer. Again, this is exactly what the leftist commies want. Make it so fuckin intolerable that one mistake ruins your career and life.
had officer potter had a history of being neglectful and several instances where she had to be bailed out using leeway then yeah, maybe she was not cut out for the job.
I try to put myself in the shoes of both the perp and the cop.
today being a cop means that you are constantly lied to, despised, challenged daily( even more so for a female I would think) , threatened, ridiculed etc….all while trying to have a normal life outside work with all of its fun little pleasures like kids being sick, relationship issues, bills, personal goals etc…..all the while being made to hold a certain standard or expectation that is becoming more and more difficult to maintain every single day both on and off the clock. Fuck that. It’s unsustainable and they fucking know it.
Their pound of flesh is not just that. This is yet another part of The continual unrelenting erosion of the country from within. After looking at this, what young person would even consider being a cop. Yep, one mistake killing a future inmate and your life is over.
as for the deceased
pure and simple…. had the perp simply complied it would not have come to this. His disrespect for the authority led to his death. His parents or whoever raised him did a pisspoor job and now they won the ghetto lottery.
had the opposite happened and officer Potter been killed instead, the shitbags ( politicians, media, lawyers) would have dismissed it that “ she must have needed more training”. And her death was not the deceased perps but her superiors that out her in a dangerous situation without her being properly trained.
I hope she is let out immediately as time served for her years of service, is given a nice retirement party and her and her family quietly moves to somewhere nice so they can live their lives peacefully.
had officer potter had a history of being neglectful and several instances where she had to be bailed out using leeway then yeah, maybe she was not cut out for the job.
I try to put myself in the shoes of both the perp and the cop.
today being a cop means that you are constantly lied to, despised, challenged daily( even more so for a female I would think) , threatened, ridiculed etc….all while trying to have a normal life outside work with all of its fun little pleasures like kids being sick, relationship issues, bills, personal goals etc…..all the while being made to hold a certain standard or expectation that is becoming more and more difficult to maintain every single day both on and off the clock. Fuck that. It’s unsustainable and they fucking know it.
Their pound of flesh is not just that. This is yet another part of The continual unrelenting erosion of the country from within. After looking at this, what young person would even consider being a cop. Yep, one mistake killing a future inmate and your life is over.
as for the deceased
pure and simple…. had the perp simply complied it would not have come to this. His disrespect for the authority led to his death. His parents or whoever raised him did a pisspoor job and now they won the ghetto lottery.
had the opposite happened and officer Potter been killed instead, the shitbags ( politicians, media, lawyers) would have dismissed it that “ she must have needed more training”. And her death was not the deceased perps but her superiors that out her in a dangerous situation without her being properly trained.
I hope she is let out immediately as time served for her years of service, is given a nice retirement party and her and her family quietly moves to somewhere nice so they can live their lives peacefully.
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I wonder if anyone has ever challenged peers part of "jury of your peers" its seems almost impossible given the national level of social justice brainwashing that you could find a jury full of objective and unbiased individuals. I feel like during jury selection I would have to settle for not that bad type persons.
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I wonder if anyone has ever challenged peers part of "jury of your peers" its seems almost impossible given the national level of social justice brainwashing that you could find a jury full of objective and unbiased individuals. I feel like during jury selection I would have to settle for not that bad type persons.
His sister is in one of my in-laws' classroom. Based on her behaviour, let's just say your statement is correct LOL.
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doctor or medical staff mistakes is the 3rd leading cause of death in america, but they don't go to prison.
i think people should be responsible for their mistakes, but doctors wouldn't be able to treat people if they thought a mistake means prison.
this is similar to the situation this puts police in...so unfortunately this is not good news for anyone, even if you don't like the police.
i think people should be responsible for their mistakes, but doctors wouldn't be able to treat people if they thought a mistake means prison.
this is similar to the situation this puts police in...so unfortunately this is not good news for anyone, even if you don't like the police.
Wow! That was very interesting. This was ruled incorrectly and the result could be very bad for future cases. I hope this gets appealed, that is so interesting.
I’d say that if people weren’t so fat and self destructive there would be fewer totally preventable illnesses being treated, wasting everyone’s time. Staff would have more time to really figure things out.
I wonder if she was more physically capable, if she would have drawn the weapon in the 1st place?
Win/win for me. Future career criminal got his life turned around and won’t commit anymore crimes, and an idiot who doesn’t know the difference between a taser and a pistol is off the streets.
Win/win for me. Future career criminal got his life turned around and won’t commit anymore crimes, and an idiot who doesn’t know the difference between a taser and a pistol is off the streets.
Question: If she didn't do the "oh sh*t, I shot him by accident" and controlled her mouth and emotions, yelling "Taser, Taser" to begin with, how would a first-degree homicide have played out given 1) they knew Wright had an outstanding warrant for aggravated burglary (with firearm), evading police, weapons charge, and not showing up for prior court appearances, and 2) another officer was in the vehicle passenger side when Wright was pulling away, putting his life in danger? Did honesty screw her?
Second: During this whole trial I was thinking, OK, ND caused death, some level of responsibility needs to be taken, so why isn't Baldwin in jail? Rhetorical question, we know the answer. Justice is jaded.
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