For those of you who are designated marksmen/snipers in law enforcement environments... I'm interested to know what you guys carry in your kits/go bags. I'm starting from scratch and looking to get a rough idea for what I'll need to buy/beg for/borrow/request from my agency.
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We have a formidable SOP/TO&E for personnel on our tactical team who are actually sniper school trained and play the part 24/7 on our local and national team. But we just implemented a designated marksman program and it's a work in progress. So we're all still roughing out the kinks and have some freedom in doing so.
We have a formidable SOP/TO&E for personnel on our tactical team who are actually sniper school trained and play the part 24/7 on our local and national team. But we just implemented a designated marksman program and it's a work in progress. So we're all still roughing out the kinks and have some freedom in doing so.
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LE sniper here. As was put to me in my basic class--you only need three things for a successful deployment: Gun, Ammo, and Water.
With that said, I carry a few extra things in my Eberlestock pack to help me out. With the weather being quite unpredictable in this part of the world, I always carry rain gear and a small amount of clothing to keep me warm (watch cap, warm gloves, shemagh, chemical hand warmers). I also carry a range finder,binoculars, my data book, a few small snacks (nothing like getting called out at 0300 on your day off when you haven't had anything to eat since the night before!)as well as a few things to construct field-expedient hides (550 cord, duct tape, clothes pins, mesh, etc).
LE sniper here. As was put to me in my basic class--you only need three things for a successful deployment: Gun, Ammo, and Water.
With that said, I carry a few extra things in my Eberlestock pack to help me out. With the weather being quite unpredictable in this part of the world, I always carry rain gear and a small amount of clothing to keep me warm (watch cap, warm gloves, shemagh, chemical hand warmers). I also carry a range finder,binoculars, my data book, a few small snacks (nothing like getting called out at 0300 on your day off when you haven't had anything to eat since the night before!)as well as a few things to construct field-expedient hides (550 cord, duct tape, clothes pins, mesh, etc).
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Pretty much the same here, rear sandbags, range finder, data book, binos, 550 cord, muiltiplyer, good knife , shooters mat for those days on asphault or concrete, granola bars, write n the rain note pad & pen, mesh netting, bug spray, small first aid kit,shemagh, flashlight. I change my rain gear and cold weather gear for the seasons.
Pretty much the same here, rear sandbags, range finder, data book, binos, 550 cord, muiltiplyer, good knife , shooters mat for those days on asphault or concrete, granola bars, write n the rain note pad & pen, mesh netting, bug spray, small first aid kit,shemagh, flashlight. I change my rain gear and cold weather gear for the seasons.
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Are you guys implementing a DM program in addition to your SWAT team(s) long rifle shooters?
Difference being that one operates in the SWAT team operational and training environment. ie. is the full-up SWAT marksman assigned full-time to a team.
The M/O, as you seem to be describing it, may lean more toward being a patrol officer with additional marksmanship training and an accurized AR w. better optics than a standard patrol rifle? May be likely to be first on scene, able to fill the gap between patrol officer w. minimum long rifle training... and full SWAT?
With a bit more knowledge of your billet, I am sure we can provide you some good insight. But would be helpful to know a bit more.
Cheers,
Sirhr
Are you guys implementing a DM program in addition to your SWAT team(s) long rifle shooters?
Difference being that one operates in the SWAT team operational and training environment. ie. is the full-up SWAT marksman assigned full-time to a team.
The M/O, as you seem to be describing it, may lean more toward being a patrol officer with additional marksmanship training and an accurized AR w. better optics than a standard patrol rifle? May be likely to be first on scene, able to fill the gap between patrol officer w. minimum long rifle training... and full SWAT?
With a bit more knowledge of your billet, I am sure we can provide you some good insight. But would be helpful to know a bit more.
Cheers,
Sirhr
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JoeDanger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As was put to me in my basic class--you only need three things for a successful deployment: Gun, Ammo, and Water.</div></div>
Wow!? Really? Your basic class instructor should be fired. Given that a large percentage of all (LE) sniper deploments involve only intel gathering and communicating such intel back to command, I'm thinking a radio or cell phone might be handy.
Rifle, ammo, comm gear, extra battery, mat, rear bag. large zippered bag that I can make a larger rear bag with, water, snacks, log book, notebook, pens, 550 cord, netting, knife, pistol belt/pistol, multi-tool, light source, binos, range finder. There's probably stuff I didnt list. and all that doesnt really take up that much room.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JoeDanger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As was put to me in my basic class--you only need three things for a successful deployment: Gun, Ammo, and Water.</div></div>
Wow!? Really? Your basic class instructor should be fired. Given that a large percentage of all (LE) sniper deploments involve only intel gathering and communicating such intel back to command, I'm thinking a radio or cell phone might be handy.
Rifle, ammo, comm gear, extra battery, mat, rear bag. large zippered bag that I can make a larger rear bag with, water, snacks, log book, notebook, pens, 550 cord, netting, knife, pistol belt/pistol, multi-tool, light source, binos, range finder. There's probably stuff I didnt list. and all that doesnt really take up that much room.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperCJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JoeDanger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As was put to me in my basic class--you only need three things for a successful deployment: Gun, Ammo, and Water.</div></div>
Wow!? Really? Your basic class instructor should be fired. Given that a large percentage of all (LE) sniper deploments involve only intel gathering and communicating such intel back to command, I'm thinking a radio or cell phone might be handy.
Rifle, ammo, comm gear, extra battery, mat, rear bag. large zippered bag that I can make a larger rear bag with, water, snacks, log book, notebook, pens, 550 cord, netting, knife, pistol belt/pistol, multi-tool, light source, binos, range finder. There's probably stuff I didnt list. and all that doesnt really take up that much room. </div></div>
Let me clarify that statement. The basic philosophy is that those are the three essential items needed to solve a problem in a hurry. With proper skill and knowledge, you should be able to deal with most problems that need immediate attention by a LE sniper with that basic load. Now with that said, he does advocate the use of other equipment for a more successful outcome of the mission.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperCJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JoeDanger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As was put to me in my basic class--you only need three things for a successful deployment: Gun, Ammo, and Water.</div></div>
Wow!? Really? Your basic class instructor should be fired. Given that a large percentage of all (LE) sniper deploments involve only intel gathering and communicating such intel back to command, I'm thinking a radio or cell phone might be handy.
Rifle, ammo, comm gear, extra battery, mat, rear bag. large zippered bag that I can make a larger rear bag with, water, snacks, log book, notebook, pens, 550 cord, netting, knife, pistol belt/pistol, multi-tool, light source, binos, range finder. There's probably stuff I didnt list. and all that doesnt really take up that much room. </div></div>
Let me clarify that statement. The basic philosophy is that those are the three essential items needed to solve a problem in a hurry. With proper skill and knowledge, you should be able to deal with most problems that need immediate attention by a LE sniper with that basic load. Now with that said, he does advocate the use of other equipment for a more successful outcome of the mission.
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i8547,
My first call out I took what I thought I needed. Then I ditched this and that and this and that and got this and that etc after each call out. Now I have what I need in a Sotech mission go bag and my rifle in my drag bag. So that when I drive up on scene I grab both and get into position.
Do ya'll have data books? If so that'll be one of the first things to go if you have to shoot because it'll get subpoena for court.
i8547,
My first call out I took what I thought I needed. Then I ditched this and that and this and that and got this and that etc after each call out. Now I have what I need in a Sotech mission go bag and my rifle in my drag bag. So that when I drive up on scene I grab both and get into position.
Do ya'll have data books? If so that'll be one of the first things to go if you have to shoot because it'll get subpoena for court.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperCJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you need a problem solved THAT quick by a police sniper you can leave the water at the truck too... </div></div>
I generally agree with that as well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperCJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you need a problem solved THAT quick by a police sniper you can leave the water at the truck too... </div></div>
I generally agree with that as well.
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Data Book w/ pens
Water
Snacks
550 Cord
Poncho and liner
Duct Tape
Compass
Pruners
Multitool
Fixed blade knife
Bug Juice
Sunscreen
Spare Glasses
First Aid kit
Gloves
Rain Gear
Note Pad
Flashlight
small red LED light
Spare batteries for radio
Extra Ammo
Face paint
Veil
Binos
LRF
Mildot Master
Maps of the area
USMC ILBE assault pack
Data Book w/ pens
Water
Snacks
550 Cord
Poncho and liner
Duct Tape
Compass
Pruners
Multitool
Fixed blade knife
Bug Juice
Sunscreen
Spare Glasses
First Aid kit
Gloves
Rain Gear
Note Pad
Flashlight
small red LED light
Spare batteries for radio
Extra Ammo
Face paint
Veil
Binos
LRF
Mildot Master
Maps of the area
USMC ILBE assault pack
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Been gone for a bit moving from AZ back to CA. I am primarily in the mountains of East County San Diego, but routinely find myself throughout the city as well depending on that nights assignment. Plus with my recent assignment to our quick response team, my working environment can be anywhere from urban to mountainous within 30 minutes.
Been gone for a bit moving from AZ back to CA. I am primarily in the mountains of East County San Diego, but routinely find myself throughout the city as well depending on that nights assignment. Plus with my recent assignment to our quick response team, my working environment can be anywhere from urban to mountainous within 30 minutes.
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Your AO will determine the gear/training that you need. Nearly all agency SWAT/SRT teams train a couple hundred yards, and the nature of your call-out will determine the demands of what you need.The answer.... Anything that you would normally have in a call-out will probably already be with you, in addition to whatever items your department trains you with when responding to the demands where a sniper/DM is required. Most folks will already have food, water, first aid, and other little add-ons. Even if you have an extended, long duration call-out, there will most likely be some sort of provision made. Its not like in the military where you can be a long way from support, on your own...ect.
Your AO will determine the gear/training that you need. Nearly all agency SWAT/SRT teams train a couple hundred yards, and the nature of your call-out will determine the demands of what you need.The answer.... Anything that you would normally have in a call-out will probably already be with you, in addition to whatever items your department trains you with when responding to the demands where a sniper/DM is required. Most folks will already have food, water, first aid, and other little add-ons. Even if you have an extended, long duration call-out, there will most likely be some sort of provision made. Its not like in the military where you can be a long way from support, on your own...ect.
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I would add a Galiati combo drag bag and mat all in one. I have multiple snipers teams that i supply with gear. It's a great combo kit, cost effective and built like a tank, lots of room for extra gear. here is a link to them. http://www.auroratactical.com/product.php?productid=16420&cat=279&page=1.
i have had good dealing with Aurora tactical, good people.
good luck.
I would add a Galiati combo drag bag and mat all in one. I have multiple snipers teams that i supply with gear. It's a great combo kit, cost effective and built like a tank, lots of room for extra gear. here is a link to them. http://www.auroratactical.com/product.php?productid=16420&cat=279&page=1.
i have had good dealing with Aurora tactical, good people.
good luck.
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our teams have found that having a tripod with rifle mount and a folding chair come in very handy on call outs. Very often in residential areas prone won't work. The tripod allows you to set up from sitting on the ground all the way up to standing. Very handy.
our teams have found that having a tripod with rifle mount and a folding chair come in very handy on call outs. Very often in residential areas prone won't work. The tripod allows you to set up from sitting on the ground all the way up to standing. Very handy.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: litotes15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thats an awful large list of gear for a swat guy. you really think all thats needed. not like your humping in counrty for a week,<span style="color: #CC0000"> donut truck is right around the corner </div></div></span>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: litotes15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thats an awful large list of gear for a swat guy. you really think all thats needed. not like your humping in counrty for a week,<span style="color: #CC0000"> donut truck is right around the corner </div></div></span>
hahahlol
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I would think the personnel on your team would have the best load out for your operating area, not some random guys on the internet.
I would think the personnel on your team would have the best load out for your operating area, not some random guys on the internet.
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I have most of the above mentioned gear, and it all travels with me on a day to day basis. However, depending on needs, it doesn't always go to the hide with me. The decision to take your cold weather gear, ghillie, rain gear, drag bag, etc, can be decided on each specific deployment. You will learn over time the things you need or want through training and deployments. I have lived with a smaller set of three-legged shooting sticks, but just bought a beefy tripod that can hold my rifle while im in a fully standing position. If it wasn't for my partner's tripod on our last call-out, we would not have been effective. The brush was 6+ feet high and our distance was approx. 160 yards. We found the highest piece of dirt and was able to find a small window where we had eyes on the house; and suspect when he bolted for the bushes.
It's better to have the gear and not need it, than need it and not have it.
I have most of the above mentioned gear, and it all travels with me on a day to day basis. However, depending on needs, it doesn't always go to the hide with me. The decision to take your cold weather gear, ghillie, rain gear, drag bag, etc, can be decided on each specific deployment. You will learn over time the things you need or want through training and deployments. I have lived with a smaller set of three-legged shooting sticks, but just bought a beefy tripod that can hold my rifle while im in a fully standing position. If it wasn't for my partner's tripod on our last call-out, we would not have been effective. The brush was 6+ feet high and our distance was approx. 160 yards. We found the highest piece of dirt and was able to find a small window where we had eyes on the house; and suspect when he bolted for the bushes.
It's better to have the gear and not need it, than need it and not have it.
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