Rifle Scopes Leupold Scope Purchase Advice

DuneBoer

Apocalypse Now!
Full Member
Minuteman
  • Jan 16, 2012
    4,446
    14,760
    State of Jefferson
    I recently contacted Leupold and I can get the FED/MIL discount.

    I am mounting this scope on a recently purchased (used) GAP 300 Win Mag. I am replacing and old 700 PSS 300 win mag with a Leupold MK4 10X
    I predominately will use this in the daylight hours with some lowlight conditions.
    I will use it for shooting steel and possible some long range hunting ( If I don't have to pack it too far)
    I plan on shooting out to 1000 yards possibly 1200 max.
    I'm used to the TMR reticle. (I know but I'm old)
    Price range is up to $2400

    Looking at MK 5HD 5-25 x 56 (m5c3) and the MK8 3.5-25 x 56 (m5c2)

    The main reason I'm looking at Leupold is the discount I'll get.

    Please be gentle. I do not claim to be an expert by any means thats why I'm asking here.

    Thanks in advance.
     
    I recently contacted Leupold and I can get the FED/MIL discount.

    I am mounting this scope on a recently purchased (used) GAP 300 Win Mag. I am replacing and old 700 PSS 300 win mag with a Leupold MK4 10X
    I predominately will use this in the daylight hours with some lowlight conditions.
    I will use it for shooting steel and possible some long range hunting ( If I don't have to pack it too far)
    I plan on shooting out to 1000 yards possibly 1200 max.
    I'm used to the TMR reticle. (I know but I'm old)
    Price range is up to $2400

    Looking at MK 5HD 5-25 x 56 (m5c3) and the MK8 3.5-25 x 56 (m5c2)

    The main reason I'm looking at Leupold is the discount I'll get.

    Please be gentle. I do not claim to be an expert by any means thats why I'm asking here.

    Thanks in advance.

    Leupold does charge tax through that program. I used Lanbos Armory to purchase from and got within $50 of the discount/tax price that I would have paid through Leupold. Lanbos also offers a small LE discount. They were great to deal with and shipping was some of the fastest I’ve seen.
     
    If you don't need illumination, the MK 5 TMR is pretty appealing price with the LE/MIL discount. And you'll have plenty left over in your budget for other things/ammo.
     
    Also, for a hunting/tactical crossover rifle, the 3.6-18x44 looks very nice at 26oz, 29 mils of elevation, and eye relief looks good. I haven't had the chance to check one out in person, but I'll likely get one later this year. If the TMR had numbers next to the stadia, I'd have already jumped on it.
     
    Well, if you are looking for opinions and advise, you came to the right place.

    I have a number of Leupold scopes, and the TMR is a fine reticle. I use them on my military builds, and hey, Army, Marine and Navy snipers used a 10x scope with TMR reticle and hit real targets.

    You have picked two very different scopes. The Mark 8 is very well respected, and a jump from a rather tired line of Leupold scopes when they came out with this a year or two back. I think it is high priced, but it is a great scope. The Mark 5 is a newer scope, and one can debate whether it is an upgraded Mark 4 or a downgraded Mark 6, but all accounts (so far) point to a great value, and a familiar and easy to use platform. Price wise, it is hard to compare the two. The Mark 8 is roughly twice the cost.

    I think I wrote a while back that Leupold is like Marriott. You will never find a bad scope (humor me), but, like Marriott, you seldom find a truly great scope. It is hard to pick a scope. It gets very personal. Both in terms of much of the evaluation is subjective, and you will get so many opinions. If you told me that 800 to 1,000 yards was the furthest you would be shooting, I might be comfortable with the Mark 5. At the risk of advocating that you diverge into a universe of questions and possibilities, I would offer that you might not want to limit yourself to Leupold because of their discount. You can get some good discounts from other shops. Maybe not as good, maybe just as good.

    A 300 WM allows you to venture out past the horizon, and go further than 800 to 1,000 yards, and as you start to reach, I think I would suggest that you at least entertain a few other scopes. Also, when you think of the TMR reticle, there are others that are very similar, although maybe a little better, in offering the same grid, but with some numbers on it. I am thinking of the NightForce Mil-R, the Steiner SCR and the Schmidt & Bender P4F. Perhaps the Kahles SKMR3 or Vortex EBR, but that is starting to look a bit busy and Hours-like.

    I like that you are looking at the 2-25x, generally. That is a good combination for the range and use you are referring to. I think more is too much, and the only possible lower combination is the S&B 3-20x, but the price tag will be very high for an Ultra Short.

    Let me bring this back.

    -- Personally, I would throw-out the Mark 8 due to price. Not its absolute price, but a price / feature = value matrix. I think you can get more scope for that price.
    -- I would add a NightForce ATACR in 5-25x with Mil-R or Mil-C reticle, as this is a really neat scope with a lot of features and great glass. With a $3,000 list price, you can probably get this scope for close to the same price as your mil/LE discount from Leupold.
    -- I would add a S&B PMII 5-25 DT P4F reticle. Again, simple reticle, but an improvement over the TMR. You can get one of these scopes for $2,400 +/-, and what the hell, it is Schmidt and Bender. It is not my choice for tactical scopes, but for your use, it might be great.
    -- Next, I would add two Steiners: the Military M5Xi 5-25x with either the MSR or MilDot reticle, because it is an outstanding scope, and the price will be in the range of the ATACR. I would add the Tactical T5Xi 5-25x with the SCR reticle. I would add this because it will compete both in terms of features and value with the Mark 5, and the reticle is similar to the NF and the S&B.

    Hope this does not complicate too much. In disclosure, I am a new dealer in scopes, and carry a number of lines, which include Leupold, Steiner, NightForce, Schmidt & Bender, Kahles and some higher-end Vortex models, and some purely military / tactical optics.
     
    The MK5 5-25 is very nice for a discounted price. Truthfully at $2000 and under it's a steal.

    The VX6HD 4-24x52 would also be a solid choice from what i can gather. I don't have any experience with the VX6HD, do have the mark 5 and thus far i've been very impressed.

    The Mark 5 is a newer scope, and one can debate whether it is an upgraded Mark 4 or a downgraded Mark 6, but all accounts (so far) point to a great value, and a familiar and easy to use platform.

    Longshot, having owned both a mark 4 and 6, i'd disagree with that sentiment. It is in every way an upgrade from both the Mark 4 and Mark 6, it's not questionable to me. Glass, tracking, eyebox, even turrets are far superior on the MK5 than the 6 or 4. Truthfully maybe discounting the military contracted mark 4 and the Mark 8 this is the best scope i've seen Leupold field in some time.
     
    Last edited:
    • Like
    Reactions: Pusher591
    Longshot,

    For conversation's sake.....since his budget would include it, would you recommend the AMG? Since he may be lugging it around hunting? Of course the reticle may be too busy if he likes the TMR.
     
    Wow! Thanks! Lots to ponder. Really appreciate all the help. I'll do some research on these new ideas.

    T5Xi 5-25x with the SCR reticle..............I think I could deal with this reticle and its illuminated.

    Still like the MK5 5-25

    Looked at the Vortex AMG and the reticle is a little freaky for me.

    Headed to the big city tomorrow. Shops there have some of these. I'll continue my research!
     
    If you keep coming back to one(especially after looking through a lot of them), then go with that. Otherwise you'll either be trading/selling/buying it/for it later.

    I try to base decisions off reticles first overall(since you'll be staring at this all the time), and then look at features/clarity/magnification.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: 5RWill
    http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...t-leupold-mark-5.6869995/page-10#post-6936280

    Here is my write up on the MK5 5-25 thus far. Also lots of opinions from early adopters other than myself. I'll be putting it side to side against an ATACR this weekend at 1000yd F-class. I think i thought it was 600yd but it's confirmed 1000yd. AMG is highly recommended and honestly what i plan to move to after this match, in all likely hood i'm going to put the MK5 up for sale. Not that i dislike the scope i just wanted an AMG from the get go and should've spent the extra money to get it and be done with it. If i was independently wealthy and not in school i'd just retire the MK5 to another rifle or sell it to my brother at a discounted price so he could have a nice optic. For the price i'm assuming that you can get the TMR version it's extremely nice glass.

    As pusher noted Lanbos armory had some crazy deals on them a while back. Of course there is also the LEO program, and Mile High i think still has 15% off right now. I recall seeing a MK5 5-25 TMR for $1625 and in my humble/honest opinion less there are LEO program bringing an ATACR, XRS II, AMG, or Steiner Military down to something near that it simply wont be beat for the money. Less by chance the DMR II pro is $1599 retail and Bushnell offers a LEO discount for it. Though it's unlikely to be lightweight and wont be out until this summer. Which in laments terms to me means you wont get it until Q4 of 18.
     
    Longshot,

    For conversation's sake.....since his budget would include it, would you recommend the AMG? Since he may be lugging it around hunting? Of course the reticle may be too busy if he likes the TMR.

    Yes, I was trying hard to be inclusive, and also not go everywhere. I did mention it. "Perhaps the Kahles SKMR3 or Vortex EBR, but that is starting to look a bit busy and Hourus-like." I just chose to draw the line somewhere.

    The MK5 5-25 is very nice for a discounted price. Truthfully at $2000 and under it's a steal.

    Longshot, having owned both a mark 4 and 6, i'd disagree with that sentiment. It is in every way an upgrade from both the Mark 4 and Mark 6, it's not questionable to me. Glass, tracking, eyebox, even turrets are far superior on the MK5 than the 6 or 4. Truthfully maybe discounting the military contracted mark 4 and the Mark 8 this is the best scope i've seen Leupold field in some time.