Advanced Marksmanship Longer Range/ Less Accuracy, your preferences.

[CleanMoostang]

I know for everyone at close ranges, 100-200-even 300 yards, most shooters can put bullets through the same holes and draw smiley faces if they pleased, but when you reach out longer, what exactly are you looking at achieving?

You see on TV shows that include people such as Larry Vickers, etc., shooting LR rifles that even our active military soldiers are using and at a couple hundred yards, they are hitting steel plates at 2-3 inches apart each shot.

Are you satisfied at knowing close up at the above ranges mentioned you are atleast hitting the target at those distances and dont care that they are 1-3 inches apart or are you unsatisfied that the 1st hit or hole on paper isnt just the only one?

 

[Topstrap]

Re: Longer Range/ Less Accuracy, your preferences.

I've never been a paper puncher, I shot metallic silhouette back in the early 80's and learned to love the sound of ringing steel. Now I shoot long range matches on steel plates with pretty much the same gun. I guess my goal is minute of target. If I hit each one at each distance then that makes for a good day and I've done the best I can.

Topstrap

 

[CleanMoostang]

Re: Longer Range/ Less Accuracy, your preferences.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never been a paper puncher, I shot metallic silhouette back in the early 80's and learned to love the sound of ringing steel. Now I shoot long range matches on steel plates with pretty much the same gun. I guess my goal is minute of target. If I hit each one at each distance then that makes for a good day and I've done the best I can.

Topstrap </div></div>

I can relate to this. I usually have 2 steel hanging plates at our shooting location, and jugs of water at random distances that I attempt to shoot at a marked spot on them.

My goal is to ALWAYS hit my target, whether it be bulls eye on the marked dot, or it be an inch or two below my marking, I have the assurance of knowing if I needed to defend myself against a 1'x1' target as long distances, I have the capability to do so.

 

[Sterling Shooter]

Re: Longer Range/ Less Accuracy, your preferences.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CleanMoostang</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know for everyone at close ranges, 100-200-even 300 yards, most shooters can put bullets through the same holes and draw smiley faces if they pleased, but when you reach out longer, what exactly are you looking at achieving?

You see on TV shows that include people such as Larry Vickers, etc., shooting LR rifles that even our active military soldiers are using and at a couple hundred yards, they are hitting steel plates at 2-3 inches apart each shot.

Are you satisfied at knowing close up at the above ranges mentioned you are atleast hitting the target at those distances and dont care that they are 1-3 inches apart or are you unsatisfied that the 1st hit or hole on paper isnt just the only one?</div></div>

My expectations are POA and POI intersection, that's to say, no measurable bullet displacement from POA and POI, to any distance the bullet is still traveling nose-on. There's no substitute for marksmanship at LR. Sight misalignment, and/or inconsistency between shooter, gun, and ground, will produce shot to shot angular errors causing bullet misplacement which increases with distance; in addition, failure to correctly counter for wind and weather effects, and any osther conditions related to gravity and drag will quickly expose the shooter who has confused intuitive shooting with actually knowing something about how to do it.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Re: Longer Range/ Less Accuracy, your preferences.

I strive for 1/2MOA at 100yd, and am happy if the same rifle shoots 2MOA at 1000yd.

 

[Texar2]

Re: Longer Range/ Less Accuracy, your preferences.

My 30-06 shoots 175s at under .4 inches and 208s at .8 inches at 100 yards. I chose to use the 208s. I believe it is better to sacrifice short range accuracy for improved long range performance. However, my super accurate 308 is great for dot drill testing because it lets me see my mistakes.

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: Longer Range/ Less Accuracy, your preferences.

IMHO you need to add a couple other qualifiers in there before ask your question.

Time constraint / odd position / low light, no light.

In general I am concerned with accuracy first, doesn't matter if it is point blank or 1,760. However, put it on the clock, have a long shot and a much less than primo position to shoot from, or no light - now I am happy with consistantly maintaining the A zone at the ragged edge of the constraint. Beyond @ 1,400 with an IPSC / IDPA target and esp in inclimate conditions it becomes more gross or more specifically, it is about the percentage of hits (C zone or better) vs D zones or Mike's.


Good luck

 

[OregonShooter]

Re: Longer Range/ Less Accuracy, your preferences.

Will the hit consistently disable the target in the manner you want? Then yes, I'm happy with the accuracy.

Run COFs with 100yrd movers to 800yrd static all under time constraints and without time to build the most stable platform and the question of one hole shooting become moot.

Accuracy that wins is accurate enough IMO.

 

[Graham]

Re: Longer Range/ Less Accuracy, your preferences.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CleanMoostang</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know for everyone at close ranges, 100-200-even 300 yards, most shooters can put bullets through the same holes and draw smiley faces if they pleased...</div></div>Most shooters can't so that, and neither can most rifles.

 

[ChielScape]

Re: Longer Range/ Less Accuracy, your preferences.

100, yes. 200, maybe. 300... id have to see it to believe it.
Not me though. Neither me nor my gun can do that.