Looking for a 12x FFP mil/mil (ideally grid) optic

[joffe]

I'm looking for an optic that is x-12 FFP (or even fixed power 12x) with a mil reticle and mil adjustments. Ideally a mil grid.

The only alternative I have found that is still on the market is this Swampfox offering- https://www.swampfoxoptics.com/kentucky-long-series

I'm not sure if these are any good, although for the low price I doubt it.

I would rather not spend more than 1.5k on the optic.

Basically I'm just looking for suggestions of offerings that I have missed.

Used optics that are no longer made are also of interest.

The optic needs to be no more than 12x due to match division regulations for its intended use.

 

[MarshallDodge]

No experience here but USO has a 3-12X

TS-12X | US Optics

www.usoptics.com

 

[loveha]

Just punching 12X FFP Mil into Eurooptic the only thing with a tree reticle in that price range they offer is the Athlon Helos BTR Gen2. While it is a chinese optic, Athlon is known, last I knew, to have great customer service. As for Swampfox, no idea. If you are willing to drop down to 10X, they have a like new Eotech 1-10 for $1,400

Athlon Helos BTR GEN2 2-12x42mm AHMR2 FFP IR MIL Riflescope 214105

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www.eurooptic.com

Like New EOTech Vudu 1-10x28mm FFP SR5 Reticle (MRAD) Riflescope VDU1-10FFSR5

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[beetroot]

There aren't too many options in this mag range.
2-12 Athlon Helos, 2-12 Blackhound Emerge are the only versions I can think of as well as the USO mentioned above.

Used scopes there are the 3-12 Bushnell LRHS/LRTS, there's also an old Sig 2-12x40.

There are more scopes that top out at 10x but again not a huge amount.
A few fixed scopes 10x and 12x SWFA being the obvious ones.

 

[NewsShooter]

It isn't 12x but it's close, 2.5-15. I have one on my air rifle, it's a decent scope and I like the Athlon reticles. The cross makes a better hunting reticle than the dot IMO. I have both, I like the dot on my Cronus Amazon product ASIN B087D8CXK8

 

[leendertp]

PA GLX 2.5-10 is close too.

 

[koshkin]

Blackhound Emerge 2-12x is a very solid Japanese optic.
Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42 is probably the bang-for-the-buck champ.
SwampFox Warhawk 2-10x44 with Recce reticle is a really good choice if you do plan to dial. A little heavy, but the scope is growing on me.
PA GLx 2.5-10x44 is a good option if weight is critical.

 

[beetroot]

Blackhound Emerge 2-12x is a very solid Japanese optic.
Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42 is probably the bang-for-the-buck champ.
SwampFox Warhawk 2-10x44 with Recce reticle is a really good choice if you do plan to dial. A little heavy, but the scope is growing on me.
PA GLx 2.5-10x44 is a good option if weight is critical.

On your latest live stream you mentioned about a new MVPO comparison in the works.

Itd be interested to see how these newer options compare with the older gen scopes that have all but disappeared.
PST Gen1, XTR2, Sig 2-12, Bushnell LRHS.

Would love to see the USO B10/FDN 10 thrown in, almost never hear about that scope.

 

[koshkin]

On your latest live stream you mentioned about a new MVPO comparison in the works.

Itd be interested to see how these newer options compare with the older gen scopes that have all but disappeared.
PST Gen1, XTR2, Sig 2-12, Bushnell LRHS.

Would love to see the USO B10/FDN 10 thrown in, almost never hear about that scope.

The MPVO comparison will be done differently than I normally do it. Since there just aren't enough scopes of this configuration for a true side-by-side, I will do more of an "across the price ranges" discussion.
I am very well familiar with Athlon Helos Gen2 2-12x42 and PA GLx 2.5-10x44. I will be looking very carefully at the Blackhound Emerge 2-12x44, SwampFox Warhorse 2-10x44, Tract 2.5-15x44 and March 1.5-15x42 in order to cover essentially the entire price spectrum.
The defining characteristic for these scopes is having low enough magnification to work seamlessly with clip-on. 2.5x on the low end is about as high as I want to go with that, although an unusually wide FOV 3-15x would likely do OK as well.
I think of all of these as a sub-set of crossover devices to use on hunting ARs that could be used at night on pigs or during the day on other game. Or as a scope for my 8.6Blackout Fix that also needs to satisfy both roles.

That will al come together when the March comes back here after reticle replacement.

ILya

 

[tba]

Schmidt Bender 3-12x42mm Klassik LM P3L BDC H Riflescope 645-811-882-40-05A02

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I have this. Good glass.

 

[Birddog6424]

The MPVO comparison will be done differently than I normally do it. Since there just aren't enough scopes of this configuration for a true side-by-side, I will do more of an "across the price ranges" discussion.
I am very well familiar with Athlon Helos Gen2 2-12x42 and PA GLx 2.5-10x44. I will be looking very carefully at the Blackhound Emerge 2-12x44, SwampFox Warhorse 2-10x44, Tract 2.5-15x44 and March 1.5-15x42 in order to cover essentially the entire price spectrum.
The defining characteristic for these scopes is having low enough magnification to work seamlessly with clip-on. 2.5x on the low end is about as high as I want to go with that, although an unusually wide FOV 3-15x would likely do OK as well.
I think of all of these as a sub-set of crossover devices to use on hunting ARs that could be used at night on pigs or during the day on other game. Or as a scope for my 8.6Blackout Fix that also needs to satisfy both roles.

That will al come together when the March comes back here after reticle replacement.

ILya

Funny you should say this. I was just looking at the new Burris Gen II thermal clip on. Sounds like maybe I should put it in front of my 1-8×24, not my 3.3-18x50?

 

[koshkin]

Funny you should say this. I was just looking at the new Burris Gen II thermal clip on. Sounds like maybe I should put it in front of my 1-8×24, not my 3.3-18x50?

Which version do you have? If it is the 35mm, then the 1-8x will definitely play better with it. The 3.3-18x50 will work OK with the 50mm. It will constrict the FOV a little, but it is workable.

I sorta mention the specific FOVs here: https://darklordofoptics.locals.com/post/4365754/mpvo-vs-crossover

 

[Birddog6424]

Which version do you have? If it is the 35mm, then the 1-8x will definitely play better with it. The 3.3-18x50 will work OK with the 50mm. It will constrict the FOV a little, but it is workable.

I sorta mention the specific FOVs here: https://darklordofoptics.locals.com/post/4365754/mpvo-vs-crossover

Thanks for that link Ilya. That's great information!

I have a couple of the Japanese built 8x XTRII with the 34mm tube. I've been running them on 3 Gun rifles. But may mix it up on a good wolf/varmints rifle with the clip on.

 

[joffe]

Blackhound Emerge 2-12x is a very solid Japanese optic.
Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42 is probably the bang-for-the-buck champ.
SwampFox Warhawk 2-10x44 with Recce reticle is a really good choice if you do plan to dial. A little heavy, but the scope is growing on me.
PA GLx 2.5-10x44 is a good option if weight is critical.

Thank you, very interesting.. I've never heard of Blackhound before today.

I shall await your MPVO comparison!

 

[Will Fennell]

I have a Bushnell LRTSi 3-12 that is AWESOME. I wish I had more of them. Light weight, GAP style grid reticle, illuminated, FFP, simple zero stop, locking windage. It’s a total package for me on my SIG Cross 6.5 cm . Unfortunately its been discontinue . YMMV….


Best,

Will

 

[Tikkaguy]

The MPVO comparison will be done differently than I normally do it. Since there just aren't enough scopes of this configuration for a true side-by-side, I will do more of an "across the price ranges" discussion.
I am very well familiar with Athlon Helos Gen2 2-12x42 and PA GLx 2.5-10x44. I will be looking very carefully at the Blackhound Emerge 2-12x44, SwampFox Warhorse 2-10x44, Tract 2.5-15x44 and March 1.5-15x42 in order to cover essentially the entire price spectrum.
The defining characteristic for these scopes is having low enough magnification to work seamlessly with clip-on. 2.5x on the low end is about as high as I want to go with that, although an unusually wide FOV 3-15x would likely do OK as well.
I think of all of these as a sub-set of crossover devices to use on hunting ARs that could be used at night on pigs or during the day on other game. Or as a scope for my 8.6Blackout Fix that also needs to satisfy both roles.

That will al come together when the March comes back here after reticle replacement.

ILya

Did you ever get a look at the tract toric 2.5-15x44? How did that scope stack up?

 

[koshkin]

Did you ever get a look at the tract toric 2.5-15x44? How did that scope stack up?

Pretty well. I like it. Good scope for the money.