Range Report Looking for a glass penetrating round...
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Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
175 SMK works well. But you probably know that. If you want to go bigger say .338, then opens up a whole new world. Better not be anything beyond target that you don't want screwed up though.
175 SMK works well. But you probably know that. If you want to go bigger say .338, then opens up a whole new world. Better not be anything beyond target that you don't want screwed up though.
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
You might find these comments interesting:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1796380#Post1796380
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1799398#Post1799398
You might find these comments interesting:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1796380#Post1796380
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1799398#Post1799398
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
Safety glass is a bigger concern, especially with new NHTSA laws requiring all new automobiles to be built with safety glass on all sides, not just the windshield. Bonded soft point rounds have shown to be the best option for safety glass. For the .308, you have options of Federal Tactical 168gr Bonded SP or Speer Gold Dot 168gr Bonded SP (both are the same cartridge), or else going the route of Hornady with their 165gr Interbond TAP Barrier or the 165gr GMX TAP Barrier. I'm not sure which one is the better of the Hornadys, but I know that the GMX has higher weight retention.
In short, you NEED bonded bullets. We have the windshields at our range to prove the capabilities of bonded bullets.
Safety glass is a bigger concern, especially with new NHTSA laws requiring all new automobiles to be built with safety glass on all sides, not just the windshield. Bonded soft point rounds have shown to be the best option for safety glass. For the .308, you have options of Federal Tactical 168gr Bonded SP or Speer Gold Dot 168gr Bonded SP (both are the same cartridge), or else going the route of Hornady with their 165gr Interbond TAP Barrier or the 165gr GMX TAP Barrier. I'm not sure which one is the better of the Hornadys, but I know that the GMX has higher weight retention.
In short, you NEED bonded bullets. We have the windshields at our range to prove the capabilities of bonded bullets.
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
I assume this has to be a commercialy loaded ammo?
And what caliber are you looking at?
Solid turned brass will get it done!
Terry
I assume this has to be a commercialy loaded ammo?
And what caliber are you looking at?
Solid turned brass will get it done!
Terry
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Being in Detroit City, I imagine that just using a 25mm gun or a 40mm grenade is not an option?</div></div>
That's probably on par with my idea of fielding a "Death-copter". Have an AH-64 patrol South Central, the Mexican Border, Detroit, New York Yankees games, etc. If only....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Being in Detroit City, I imagine that just using a 25mm gun or a 40mm grenade is not an option?</div></div>
That's probably on par with my idea of fielding a "Death-copter". Have an AH-64 patrol South Central, the Mexican Border, Detroit, New York Yankees games, etc. If only....
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dez</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been tasked with researching a new glass penetrating round for our team. I have noticed that what you may gain in penetration, you loose in accuracy. Any suggestions? </div></div>
Armor Piercing?
Lw
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dez</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been tasked with researching a new glass penetrating round for our team. I have noticed that what you may gain in penetration, you loose in accuracy. Any suggestions? </div></div>
Armor Piercing?
Lw
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
I highly recommend that you contact the American Sniper Association. Going with their recommendation might well give you some protection from liability lawsuits.
http://www.americansniper.org/
I highly recommend that you contact the American Sniper Association. Going with their recommendation might well give you some protection from liability lawsuits.
http://www.americansniper.org/
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
In 308, the Federal Trophy Bonded was 1.5-2.0moa when we tested it a couple of years ago. Black Hills Accubond was more like 1.0moa and Horady Bonded was almost the same as the TAP rounds at about .5-.75.
All of the match (ie:non-bonded) no matter what weight, sucked on glass. Jacket and core separation, bullet breaking in half were common. While damaging, the amount of penetration and flight path deviation is way too unpredictable for many applications.
If you are LE, contact Buford Boone at FBI Quantico. Good guy, fountain of ballistic info. They have a data file on sniper ammo that is constantly tested and updated. If you send in a letterhead request, uncle sugar will send your agency a copy for free.
+1 on contacting the ASA as well.
In 308, the Federal Trophy Bonded was 1.5-2.0moa when we tested it a couple of years ago. Black Hills Accubond was more like 1.0moa and Horady Bonded was almost the same as the TAP rounds at about .5-.75.
All of the match (ie:non-bonded) no matter what weight, sucked on glass. Jacket and core separation, bullet breaking in half were common. While damaging, the amount of penetration and flight path deviation is way too unpredictable for many applications.
If you are LE, contact Buford Boone at FBI Quantico. Good guy, fountain of ballistic info. They have a data file on sniper ammo that is constantly tested and updated. If you send in a letterhead request, uncle sugar will send your agency a copy for free.
+1 on contacting the ASA as well.
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
No, they wouldn't. Standard FMJ/Ball ammo isn't bonded. Even with a penetrator core, you still will have significant deflection, deformation, fragmentation or weight loss. Aside from that, there is really no commercially available FMJ/Ball ammunition for sniper usage. Everything is either a HPBT/OTM design, or else a specialty bullet that has penetration and expansion capabilities.
No, they wouldn't. Standard FMJ/Ball ammo isn't bonded. Even with a penetrator core, you still will have significant deflection, deformation, fragmentation or weight loss. Aside from that, there is really no commercially available FMJ/Ball ammunition for sniper usage. Everything is either a HPBT/OTM design, or else a specialty bullet that has penetration and expansion capabilities.
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
Maybe one of these two should do the work
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http://www.men-defencetec.de/men/cms/front_content.php?idcat=29
Maybe one of these two should do the work
http://www.men-defencetec.de/men/cms/front_content.php?idcat=29
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USACS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Safety glass is a bigger concern, especially with new NHTSA laws requiring all new automobiles to be built with safety glass on all sides, not just the windshield. Bonded soft point rounds have shown to be the best option for safety glass. For the .308, you have options of Federal Tactical 168gr Bonded SP or Speer Gold Dot 168gr Bonded SP (both are the same cartridge), or else going the route of Hornady with their 165gr Interbond TAP Barrier or the 165gr GMX TAP Barrier. I'm not sure which one is the better of the Hornadys, but I know that the GMX has higher weight retention.
In short, you NEED bonded bullets. We have the windshields at our range to prove the capabilities of bonded bullets. </div></div>
the 165 GMX seems to be a solid bullet and its mv is about 200fps slower than the 165 interbond TAP, interesting.
Hornady LE
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USACS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Safety glass is a bigger concern, especially with new NHTSA laws requiring all new automobiles to be built with safety glass on all sides, not just the windshield. Bonded soft point rounds have shown to be the best option for safety glass. For the .308, you have options of Federal Tactical 168gr Bonded SP or Speer Gold Dot 168gr Bonded SP (both are the same cartridge), or else going the route of Hornady with their 165gr Interbond TAP Barrier or the 165gr GMX TAP Barrier. I'm not sure which one is the better of the Hornadys, but I know that the GMX has higher weight retention.
In short, you NEED bonded bullets. We have the windshields at our range to prove the capabilities of bonded bullets. </div></div>
the 165 GMX seems to be a solid bullet and its mv is about 200fps slower than the 165 interbond TAP, interesting.
Hornady LE
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
50BMG Tungsten penetrator will go through glass like its not even there (cause a microsecond later, it isn't.)
50BMG Tungsten penetrator will go through glass like its not even there (cause a microsecond later, it isn't.)
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
Thats the best solution: SWISS P Tactical for precision shot behind glass.
link:
http://www.ruag.com/en/Ammotec/Defence_and_Law_Enforcement/8.6mm___.338/.338_Lap._Mag.___SWISS_P
Thats the best solution: SWISS P Tactical for precision shot behind glass.
link:
http://www.ruag.com/en/Ammotec/Defence_and_Law_Enforcement/8.6mm___.338/.338_Lap._Mag.___SWISS_P
Re: Looking for a glass penetrating round...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gol1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats the best solution: SWISS P Tactical for precision shot behind glass.
link:
http://www.ruag.com/en/Ammotec/Defence_and_Law_Enforcement/8.6mm___.338/.338_Lap._Mag.___SWISS_P
</div></div>
This is really interesting. Anyone have any personal experience with this? Anybody have a source of supply to get some for T&E?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gol1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats the best solution: SWISS P Tactical for precision shot behind glass.
link:
http://www.ruag.com/en/Ammotec/Defence_and_Law_Enforcement/8.6mm___.338/.338_Lap._Mag.___SWISS_P
</div></div>
This is really interesting. Anyone have any personal experience with this? Anybody have a source of supply to get some for T&E?
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