M110 Accuracy vs bolt

[ArcticLight]

I don't want to open a can of worms here.

But, I'm seeing that the M110 has a SOME advantages over a bolt gun, enough perhaps to consider getting one.

But with my layoff coming I'd have to part with the bolt gun.

Would you?

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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[KNIGHT11B4]

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For me it comes down to the ever classic "what do I need/want it for"

I will say that the M110 was a great weapon for multiple target engagements, spotter follow up shots, etc. But from my experience no where near what I hoped for.

I fielded 4 brand new M110s for my section. I have to say that only 1 of the 4 performed well enough for me to have confidence in it. For closer engagements sure, but still wasnt consistant enough for my taste.

Its not that I am not a fan of them, I think they serve a purpose. But I would hesitate to employ it as a primary weapon system (excluding a few select situations)

As far as being more specific to your situation, If I had a spare bolt gun that I could part with I might consider it. But it were between my ONLY bolt gun and a M110, bolt gun all the way (assuming that it is high quality)

If someone was leaning towrds selling a bolt gun to purchase a gas gun, I would go with a GAP custom or POF depending on funds and preferance.

My $00.02, maybe other have had better results with them.

 

[Lowlight]

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I have seen some great accuracy with the right driver behind a gas gun, in fact I saw it today...

Head to head, the M110 is not the most accurate out of the box when you consider its competition out there. It's good, but it's certainly much more expensive than the competition and for what you pay versus what you get, it doesn't line up except when talking resale. The resale value of any KAC system is certainly higher than most.

Today I did an informal accuracy test for someone using gas guns, including a KAC, and the winner was the POF in terms of overall straight up accuracy. Shot a solid .5" - no bullshit, no padding group using Federal 168gr match. The rest were close but not as close as the POF.

For me, the M110 feels wrong it is not balanced at all, longer barrel, lighter stock, it's nose heavy. I won't get into what the units say, but properly driven a gas gun will compete.

 

[ArcticLight]

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That's some the info I'm looking for, thanks!

I have a very nice very good shooting bolt gun that hammers them at 1k nicely - USO ST10 on it, Mcmillan HTG (Heavy however)...

So the M110 will come, down the road, but it will onlybe an addition to the bolt gun then.

I do have an M4orgery too but if I start selling off guns I'll bank the money until TSHTF or the economy recovers...


This may be the first year hunting will be a requirement to fill my freezer, financially cheaper...

 

[KNIGHT11B4]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> For me, the M110 feels wrong it is not balanced at all, longer barrel, lighter stock, it's nose heavy. I won't get into what the units say, but properly driven a gas gun will compete. </div></div>

Good Point, left that out and I couldnt agree more.

 

[Mike_in_FL]

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Having been fortunate enough to dodge 2 layoffs in as many years, I will simply say NO.

I don't own anything as expensive as a KAC, but I do have an AR10 and what would be considered a good starter bolt gun in this circle. Even though the two are similarly priced, the bolt gun wins hands down for accuracy and reliability. I can see the point of if it is a custom from a reputable builder, but I don't think I'd go there facing no income.

What I need should always outweigh what I want. I've had to offload quite a bit of things I "wanted" to stay afloat financially, but what I need will stay put. IM limited O, the jury is still out on the .308 platform semis. Every time the next greatest one comes out, it's suddenly got problems, magazines, gas system, whatever. The commonality of the AR15 is not there across the manufacturers and might never be.

 

[poison123]

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Like LL eluded to...there are a hell of alot better options than the KAC out there for practically half the price.

 

[Reverend762]

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If your contemplating giving up a bolt action rifle for a precision AR style rifle, then I would seriously consider looking at a factory built Novekse N6. I'll go out on a branch here and say it’s probably one of the most accurate if not the most accurate production/semi-custom AR-10 rifles out there. (It edged out my POF P308 in terms of out and out accuracy and perceived build quality)

 

[TiroFijo]

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LL, what are other good AR based 308 options?

Have we finally got to the point where we can buy a (non custom) accurate, reliable and durable AR in 308, just like in 5.56?

Have you tried the LMT 308? It seems very interesting, but a bit heavy.

 

[ArcticLight]

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I'm going to keep the bolt rifle.

I have zero debt, just a mortgage and UE will cover that. I'm not actually sweating the layoff, although I may have to do a few computer jobs here and there for some extra spending cash..

I'm actually planning on writing a book.


So an M110 is out for now then, it would be a fun rifle to have down the road but my M1903M needs a new front sight, my shotguns need shooting and of course my bolt rifle..


This is good info, post pics if you have one tho!

 

[ArcticLight]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen some great accuracy with the right driver behind a gas gun, in fact I saw it today...

Head to head, the M110 is not the most accurate out of the box when you consider its competition out there. It's good, but it's certainly much more expensive than the competition and for what you pay versus what you get, it doesn't line up except when talking resale. The resale value of any KAC system is certainly higher than most.

Today I did an informal accuracy test for someone using gas guns, including a KAC, and the winner was the POF in terms of overall straight up accuracy. Shot a solid .5" - no bullshit, no padding group using Federal 168gr match. The rest were close but not as close as the POF.

For me, the M110 feels wrong it is not balanced at all, longer barrel, lighter stock, it's nose heavy. I won't get into what the units say, but properly driven a gas gun will compete. </div></div>

Thanks Frank - Kind of looks nose heavy from what I saw on History channel. It obviously still has it's place, rapid accurate fire - a good spotters weapon or urban sniper rifle perhaps.


Why is it called a KAC???

 

[abilliott]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen some great accuracy with the right driver behind a gas gun, in fact I saw it today...

Head to head, the M110 is not the most accurate out of the box when you consider its competition out there. It's good, but it's certainly much more expensive than the competition and for what you pay versus what you get, it doesn't line up except when talking resale. The resale value of any KAC system is certainly higher than most.

Today I did an informal accuracy test for someone using gas guns, including a KAC, and the winner was the POF in terms of overall straight up accuracy. Shot a solid .5" - no bullshit, no padding group using Federal 168gr match. The rest were close but not as close as the POF.

For me, the M110 feels wrong it is not balanced at all, longer barrel, lighter stock, it's nose heavy. I won't get into what the units say, but properly driven a gas gun will compete. </div></div>

Thanks Frank - Kind of looks nose heavy from what I saw on History channel. It obviously still has it's place, rapid accurate fire - a good spotters weapon or urban sniper rifle perhaps.


Why is it called a KAC???</div></div>

I believe KAC, stands for Knights Armorment Company

 

[KNIGHT11B4]

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^^^ You got it.

 

[ArcticLight]

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OK More dumb questions.

To me the "KAC" looks like any other AR-10 with a camo paint job and a scope on it - and that b arrel thing (Is that a cover or the actual barrel?).

Has anyone built a replica for half the price?

Just curious.

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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If you are referencing a photo of an m110 I suspect you are referring to the supressor. Theirs overlaps the barrel and attaches to the gas block

A less expensive 308 AR can be bought or built easily. By the same logic there are plenty inexpensive bolt rifles so why do people choose GAP,APA,AI, etc?

Really depends on what you want it for and what your expectation is. POF and LMT are half the cost Noveske a slight bit more but the Nove is Armalight pattern so no interest here but still excellent quality.

 

[jwb47]

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lay offs dont hurt I get layed off all the time , I do commercial and heavy industrial construction . so it is a fact of life I have learned to deal with . one thing I have learned is to never want something so bad I will hurt to get it. just turn around and walk away. sounds like you have it right . use the time to sharpen your skills with the weapons you already own and then when you get back to work get what you want.
keep your bolt gun.