M1A Upgrade

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Hi all, I have a Springfield Standard M1A with scope and it shoots 2-2.5" groups at 100 yards. SA only garantees them to shoot 3.5", so i should be happy, but I want tighter groups.
My question is what would be the first thing to upgrade on this rifle to start making it a more accurate gun?
Thanks
 
Re: M1A Upgrade

Start with the AMU upgrades

unitized gas system
trigger job 4.5 lb
replace OP spring guide with match form (round SADLAK)
ream flash suppressor
check head space lap bolt lugs

Stock: must be tight if GI fiberglass, bedded if wood.

After these next step replace barrel
 
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Get the gas system unitized and bed the rifle, have the trigger worked, and true the bolt. The Sadlak Guide Rod can be done by you.

Above all if you are going to invest in that, learn proper maintenance schedules of a NM rifle, because you can ruin it as quickly as you have it trued.

Personally, I would be happy with it and shoot it.
 
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The steps recommended above are spot on.

The order *I* would do them would be (note added steps):

1. Fit Op Rod Guide to barrel. Knurling seems to work best. Some recommend adding Loc-Tite. I agree. Use the removable type. Punching at least a dozen peen marks around the barrel side is a viable alternative, but pretty much demands either Loc-Tite or planning to refresh it every 1,000 rounds. Not most important, but first of three steps along the barrel.

2. Fit gas cylinder to barrel. See drill below (I changed the order so you don't put the FS back on too soon). There are some variations on the technique. Study them. Use what you think best. INCLUDE "timing" or "clocking" the figure-8 nut--it should bottom out not more than about 20 degrees past lining up with the gas piston's hole. If not, shims are your friend.

Unitize it with the barrel band if you feel like it. IME, doing the above steps are the most important and are enough. My welded unitized job (ArmsCorp of America didn't do a great job...) broke loose some time ago and it never made a difference in the accuracy.

3. Fit flash suppressor to barrel (peen barrel splines, eliminate ANY rotation so you are not dependent on the castle nut to keep the front sight from wobbling). NOW you can re-assemble all the stuff hanging on the barrel.

4. Bed the rifle to the stock. Only the most "handy" DIY types should try this. The trickiest part is routing out the stock without "going outside the lines". Don't "practice" on a USGI fiberglass stock because it cuts much more uniformly than wood.

The above steps are the most important.

Do what everyone else recommends that's not already done. However, don't expect any accuracy boost from the "NM" op rod spring guide. That is a *reliability* mod for the NM guns, not for tightening groups.

Finally, for reliability's sake, bend/tweak the op rod so the front end of the flat surface, forward of the locking cam hump where it meets the dogleg that goes under the barrel, is about 1/16-inch out from the side of the receiver ring, and 1/16 or a bit less above the receiver side ledge, when the UNSPRUNG op rod and bolt are all the way back, AND the bottom "belly" of the op rod *lightly* contacts the bottom of the barrel. If all is done correctly, the barreled action assembled without the op rod spring and without the trigger group clamped on, will fully open the bolt and travel all the way back when the muzzle is elevated to 45 degrees or less above horizontal, and will also fully close and lock and the op rod will continue forward to its rest position with the muzzle pointed not more than 45 degrees down.

If you are using iron sights, there is also "bedding" the aperture rack into the windage base, and a more arcane tightening of the elevation knob's internal components IF that knob has any backlash. Not every rifle needs this second step, every one I've ever seen needs the first one and my method (others discovered it too) is easier and more reliable than the old original technique of peening the metal parts.

But since you don't tell us whether your groups are using current match ammo, hunting ammo, commercial ball ammo, military surplus or your own match handloads, I really cannot opine as to whether ANY steps are likely to be needed or effective. If you're getting that with hunting ammo, none of this might make a difference.

On the other hand, if your report is for match ammo, AND there is no reliable/repeatable improvement after all of these steps plus what others recommend, you're definitely in need of a better barrel. Or you suck at shooting. Your question suggests that you don't suck at shooting, but I gotta cover all the bases.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snuzem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi all, I have a Springfield Standard M1A with scope and it shoots 2-2.5" groups at 100 yards. SA only garantees them to shoot 3.5", so i should be happy, but I want tighter groups.
My question is what would be the first thing to upgrade on this rifle to start making it a more accurate gun?
Thanks </div></div>

K.I.S.S.

Shim the gas system.
Quality trigger job - I prefer SEI's MAX-PAK.
Tight fitting USGI synthetic stock or a SAGE EBR.
Sample some different quality ammo and see what your rifle likes best.
 
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I would glassbed the stock and start handloading load development.

Here's my best: Commercial (Rem) brass, flash holes reamed. 175SMK 2.810" OAL, 42.2gr IMR-4064, good large rifle primer, Win will work, Match CCI or Fed too; but make sure they seat at least deep enough to be flush with the cartridge base.

For iron sights, I would replace the rear peep with the .052" 1/2MOA adjustable N/M sight assembly. The front with a hooded front sight assembly with interchangeable inserts.

Beyond this, I hesitate to recommend. I found the cost/benefit to be exceeding my definition of diminishing returns.

As for scopes, I consider the M1A to be an excellent rifle; but others would be a preferable choice for scope mounting and shooting.

Greg
 
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I could list all the methods of national matching a M14/M1A or since I'm not really much of a writter, PM me with your E-mail address and I'll send you on PDF format the USAMU Guide for Accurizing the M14.

It covers it pretty well.
 
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If you want some cheap DIY work...

Shim the gas system/front band.

Fit the hand guard so it doesn't contact the stock and only contacts the front band and clip area on the barrel. Then silicone it to the front band and to the barrel at the clip area.

Install a NM spring guide.

File the front ferrule so it doesn't contact the gas cylinder anywhere.

Check the stock for: Front end draw pressure (should need to squeeze it to break contact between the front band and ferrule). Contact with the heel of the receiver/receiver doesn't rock front to back. Trigger group lock up (should be snug when locking the trigger guard). See if it's contacting any moving parts (op rod and trigger group mainly). -Relieve the stock or replace it to correct any issues, some people have shimmed their stocks to get better fitment also.

Past this you get more into match tuning. A NM tuned trigger is very nice but not sure you need to pay $225 for SEI's max-pak. I have it and can't tell the difference from my $45 tuned unit other than the Melonite treatment. Plenty of gunsmiths can do it for about $50. After this you get into replacing parts that cost more money. You'd probably want a better stock to bed it and if you're going to bed it you'd be better off with at least a medium weight barrel. Then the bolt could be properly lapped and so on.

Start small and see how it does. The first things I listed are probably about $100-$150 to do (shim, fitting and trigger tune).

Also check out m14tfl.com, lots of info.

What scope and mount do you have?
 
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Whatever path you choose to take with your M1A
I suggest that you don't go the cheapest route.
Invest in battle proven quality whenever possible.
 
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I accurized my M1A service rifle in stages as $$ became available. It started out as a 3 moa rifle. After alterations including most of the mods mentioned above it was consistently a 1.5 moa rifle. My smith talked me into welding a rear lug on receiver and re bedding the rifle with a pillar and screw to hold the action in the stock. This really perked up the accuracy it will shoot 1 moa consistently now. I will add that if I had to do over knowing what I know now I dont think I would weld a lug on a non lugged rec. I still have the rifle and have fired more than 3500 rounds thru it over the years no problems but I am uncomfortable with the welding on the rec. I think the rear lug really helped to solidify the action in the stock and helps bedding last longer Just my .02 YMMV
 
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What kind of ammo are you shooting? That can make a big difference. Shooting Portugese surplus stuff, I can't seem to do too much better than 2 MOA with my Standard M1A from unsupported field positions. But with British Radway Green surplus, I can do about 1.25 MOA. I haven't even tried it with hand loads or match ammo, but I expect it would do even better.

But for the best way to spend your money, if you want better results with your rifle, is to go to an Appleseed marksmanship clinic.
 
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A little more information about your current setup would help in answering your question. I assume that your M1A Standard is stock except for a mount and optic? What ammunition, optic, and mount are you using?

Are you using factory match ammo? Handloads?
A change in ammunition could make a big difference in your precision, and is the easist thing to change.
Make sure you are using a solid three point type mount (there
are several good manufacturers) and a decent optic.

You can spend a lot of money on upgrades, but the above three items should probably be considered before proceeding.
 
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Costs about 2k going nuts getting it match tuned with all the best part and heavier barrel. A supermatch out the door could be cheaper option. If your STD didn't already have Gi parts I wouldn't be too attached. If it does, then it could be worth the effort.
 
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I performed most of the listed items to my loaded M1A including glass bedding a Mcmillan Stock. It is now a semi-consistant sub moa rifle (loose nut behind trigger)

My prime guide was this book and the internet:
Scott Duff book on the M14

I ended up with an SEI scopemount and an SS scope, initially I had an IOR 10X scope which was beaten to death by the M1A, while in its death throes I burned up a fair amount of reloaded ammunition trying to obtain its "preferred load". I figured it out when I removed the scope and shot better groups with the iron sights.

I highly recommend a cheekrest if you prefer to use a scope.
 
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mine shoots 3/4 or better with factory ammo

all i did was add a troy stock
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