Md. 70

[Dangerousdan]

I'm about to restore a pre64 md.70 30.06 Standard grade. I'm thinking about having the action and bolt trued maybe jeweling the bolt new knob and possibly changing the cal.and barrel lenth to 24" I know this sounds like alot of work ($$$) and was hoping that someone here could direct me to any smiths working on the winchester rifle.
Thanks

 

[5Redman8]

Re: Md. 70

GAP no doubt!!!!!!

This is my Win Mod 70 CRF. Not sure about a proper restore but they can certainly do the metal work and accurizing.

 

[popeye089]

Re: Md. 70

This man here is a restoration GOD! He restarted Ithaca sxs for a time is the standard for restorations
http://www.turnbullmfg.com/

 

[Dangerousdan]

Re: Md. 70

5RM8.You got my interest up. Can you tell me more about the mechanics of your Md70.

 

[dmg308]

Re: Md. 70

Honestly a pre64 I would sell it for its collector value and take the money and buy or build a modern control feed win.You will be way ahead of the game.

 

[5Redman8]

Re: Md. 70

Danger,

Bought:

McMillan HTG.....used
Pac Nor Barrel.....rough turned
Win Mod 70 "Pre 64" 30-06 gun took it apart and sold everything but the action.

Sent all the parts to GAP. Trued, trigger job, chamber(30-06) and thread, pillar bedded, and painted. Got it back in 8 weeks(this was few years ago)

Not sure of the base manufacturer
Nightforce Rings
Nikon 4-16 Tactical

Shoots very well.....better than me. Loads of R22 and 180gr Accubonds

Could not be happier!!!

Perfect weight, action, and stock for me!!!!

 

[Texar2]

Re: Md. 70

I would sell it and build off a rem 700. There will be much more options as far as stocks, bases, triggers, dbm and so on. But I am also partial to the pre64 and wouldnt blame you for building off it. It would make a great gap 30-06 to use with the 208 amax or 190vlds.

 

[neoinarien]

Re: Md. 70

As a fan of CRF and owner of a 6.5x55 classic winnie myself, this thread is relevant to my interests.

 

[steelcore]

Re: Md. 70

+1 for selling and buying a new CRF 70.

The value of the pre-64's is ridiculous, compared to one of the new CRF models. You'll have a piece that you'll know the complete history about... 0 rounds fired!

 

[boomfab]

Re: Md. 70

Pickup an FN SPR action or FN PBR XP action and it's the same as the CRF Mod 70.

 

[bignada]

Re: Md. 70

Prefer the push-feed post-64 70s myself More meat in the bolt and barrel shank. No problems with the 70 pf extractor. Much better for switch-barreling, which I am always in favor of.

Many better design features on the 70 compared to the 700.
Trigger, safety, bolt removal, integral recoil lug, larger receiver bridge area, SA action dimensions better than 700SA...

Push feed is the better choice for precision.

 

[kraigWY]

Re: Md. 70

First I'm no gunsmith, but I have built some dern nice target Model 70s, I think they are easy to work on.

As for push feed vs. control feed, it's preferrance. I was concerned with the little extractors when they came out. Even bought a spare and put in in a hole I drilled in the stock under the butt pad on my Post '64 375 H&H. That was in 1974, it't still there. Never broke one. The model 70 is my favorite action.

But, I see no problems with the post '64s. I personnally think the new FN Model 70 is the best of the lot.

One time I met a guy who traveled the native Villages in Alaska buying up rusted guns, (eskimos are not known for taking care of equipment). I bought "6" Model 70 actions from him ($250 total for the lot). Four I made into 1000 yard guns in 300 WM. for the AK NG Rifle Team, (mine included), One I made into a 243 hunting rifle for my wife, and the last I made into a Vietnam Era Sniper Clone.

They are great actions, I see no reason to get hung up on push feed vs. control feed. Both can be turned into great rifles.

Below: Post '64 Model 70, 29 inch Douglas Prem. Barrel, 1-10, 300 WM, Bishop Stock. Redfield Oly Sights also set up to take my Weaver T-10.

 

[dmg308]

Re: Md. 70

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bignada</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Prefer the push-feed post-64 70s myself More meat in the bolt and barrel shank. No problems with the 70 pf extractor. Much better for switch-barreling, which I am always in favor of.

Many better design features on the 70 compared to the 700.
Trigger, safety, bolt removal, integral recoil lug, larger receiver bridge area, SA action dimensions better than 700SA...

Push feed is the better choice for precision. </div></div>

Please explain why push feed is better for precision.

 

[viper42]

Re: Md. 70

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please explain why push feed is better for precision.</div></div>

I'm interested in this answer myself.

 

[Bugs Bunny]

Re: Md. 70

My Win70 CRF goes on every hunt never misses a day.

 

[dmg308]

Re: Md. 70

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think bignada's point was the post was better or worse for precision. Just that the post 64 has features he finds favorable when build a rifle to his preference. I don't think anyone here is saying a control round feed can't be made extremely accurate.

Other than the extra rear lug for safety I think control round feed is a little overrated. The quality of hand made bolt action is a nice feature....but with modern machining practices most "good" rifles are better than the rifles made 20 years ago let alone 45 years. </div></div>

There are still control round feed actions made winchester did until they went under and FN continues to make a short action winchester controlled feed.He clearly made a seperate statement that push feeds are some how more accurate adn I was just curious why.

 

[bignada]

Re: Md. 70

CRF barrel has substantial notch for extractor. Barrel will not resonate same as PF barrel. Bolt has less integral mass due to extractor design. Bolt body also not balanced.

Look at all other precision action designs. No external extractors ponying along side of bolt body, extractors integral to boltface rim and of small mass. Win 70 PF and Sako design are most prevalent types.

CRF is great design for dangerous game hunting. Rather overdone for varmint hunting, target shooting, range use etc. How many times do your expect to be upside down while taking a shot at a dangerous animal? How often have your push-feed rifles failed to chamber a round?

Push Feed Win-70 has same virtues as the Rem-700, (except round bottom receiver), but many other benefits the 700 lacks. I think PF more capable of precision. Just my conjecture...

 

[dmg308]

Re: Md. 70

I don't by the resonate part as this part of the barrel is captured in the reciever threads.

What does bolt mass and balance have to do with accuracy as the bolt is in a static position when fired?

There are several controlled feed actions Dakota,Mcmillan,CZ to name a few.

Most follow the remington design for cost it is cheap to make.Plus parts are plentiful.

We aren't discussing reliabilty but accuracy.

Not trying to argue just trying to understand the physics behind the statement.

 

[bignada]

Re: Md. 70

Maybe the CRF actions will be found to be most inherently precise someday, but they haven't been so acclaimed yet.

If you look at the most successful benchrest and tactical rifles, none incorporate external bolt mounted extractor systems and none of the barrel shanks are cut/notched. What is the most precise design? I will stick my neck out and say it is the Armalite AR 10/15 bolt and bolt extension. No external extractor or cuts on those either, plus you get more uniform lock-up from the more numerous locking lugs.

CRF is another solution in search of a problem.

Look at what a smith does to the bolt on a truing job. Not that I agree it is routinely necessary, but they do clean up the bolt body so it is balanced or concentric. Why? Does the external extractor affect balance or the harmonics upon firing? Maybe...

Do any rifles come off the assy line in a factory identical in all respects? No. Each has some characteristic or individual performance signature. Why choose CRF design and add more to the mix of variables?

 

[six 4 sure]

Re: Md. 70

Are you looking to build a hunting rifle or a target rifle. You mention having it rechambered to something besides 30-06. Are you planning to go with another 30-06 length cartridge or are you looking at a 308?

I ask because I've got an extra NIB FN SPR action. I don't have (and would prefer) an extra Pre-64 action an would be very willing to work out some kind of trade.