I got Midwest 415 said it's like hodgdon 335 ,did some testing and it's great here's the numbers
20 grain 2365 all tests were done average 3 bullets 55 grain bullets
21 2507
22 2660
23 2816
24 2980
25 3113
Another person said used 26.5 grains said it shot perfect
$209 for 8 lbs awsome