Hey all, I just picked up a Ruger Mini 14 in .223 and was wondering if anyone knows what kind of accuracy I can expect with descent ammo. Thanks
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Re: Mini 14
You would have a better chance of hitting a dog in the ass with a snow shovel than hitting a man-sized target at 200 yards with a mini 14.
You would have a better chance of hitting a dog in the ass with a snow shovel than hitting a man-sized target at 200 yards with a mini 14.
Re: Mini 14
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would have a better chance of hitting a dog in the ass with a snow shovel than hitting a man-sized target at 200 yards with a mini 14. </div></div>
So true it goes in my signature.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would have a better chance of hitting a dog in the ass with a snow shovel than hitting a man-sized target at 200 yards with a mini 14. </div></div>
So true it goes in my signature.
Re: Mini 14
shankster, you ought to win a prize for that line. Actually, we should make just that line a sticky at the top of the Semi-Auto Rifles Forum!! Maybe it would cut down on these threads (although I am kinda doubting it).
To the OP...SEARCH ENGINE!!!!!!!!!!!! SH Google Search Engine
There are numerous threads already out there (many of very recent origin) on what to expect from your Mini. If broad-sides of barns or panel vans are your intended game, you've got a 50/50 chance on a clear, calm day with no wind.
All razzing you aside, not all minis were created equal. You will hear amazing tales of people getting MOA (or better) accuracy with match ammo, etc., but in my experience they are all prone to generally poor accuracy when compared to most modern semi-auto rifles.
shankster, you ought to win a prize for that line. Actually, we should make just that line a sticky at the top of the Semi-Auto Rifles Forum!! Maybe it would cut down on these threads (although I am kinda doubting it).
To the OP...SEARCH ENGINE!!!!!!!!!!!! SH Google Search Engine
There are numerous threads already out there (many of very recent origin) on what to expect from your Mini. If broad-sides of barns or panel vans are your intended game, you've got a 50/50 chance on a clear, calm day with no wind.
All razzing you aside, not all minis were created equal. You will hear amazing tales of people getting MOA (or better) accuracy with match ammo, etc., but in my experience they are all prone to generally poor accuracy when compared to most modern semi-auto rifles.
Re: Mini 14
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">shankster, you ought to win a prize for that line. Actually, we should make just that line a sticky at the top of the Semi-Auto Rifles Forum!! Maybe it would cut down on these threads (although I am kinda doubting it).
To the OP...SEARCH ENGINE!!!!!!!!!!!! SH Google Search Engine
There are numerous threads already out there (many of very recent origin) on what to expect from your Mini. If broad-sides of barns or panel vans are your intended game, you've got a 50/50 chance on a clear, calm day with no wind.
All razzing you aside, not all minis were created equal. You will hear amazing tales of people getting MOA (or better) accuracy with match ammo, etc., but in my experience they are all prone to generally poor accuracy when compared to most modern semi-auto rifles. </div></div>
My mini 14 would shoot one shot one hole groups all day and night.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">shankster, you ought to win a prize for that line. Actually, we should make just that line a sticky at the top of the Semi-Auto Rifles Forum!! Maybe it would cut down on these threads (although I am kinda doubting it).
To the OP...SEARCH ENGINE!!!!!!!!!!!! SH Google Search Engine
There are numerous threads already out there (many of very recent origin) on what to expect from your Mini. If broad-sides of barns or panel vans are your intended game, you've got a 50/50 chance on a clear, calm day with no wind.
All razzing you aside, not all minis were created equal. You will hear amazing tales of people getting MOA (or better) accuracy with match ammo, etc., but in my experience they are all prone to generally poor accuracy when compared to most modern semi-auto rifles. </div></div>
My mini 14 would shoot one shot one hole groups all day and night.
Re: Mini 14
Here we go with the Mini bashing...
Break out the popcorn.
If you want some real info, without all the hyperbole, head over here:
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-talk/
Good luck with it, the older models were far more inaccurate than the newer ones with the heavier barrels. Did you get a Tactical or Target model perhaps? (Yeah... I know..."Target" model and Mini-14 don't belong in the same sentence- I'll give you that much
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Here we go with the Mini bashing...
Break out the popcorn.
If you want some real info, without all the hyperbole, head over here:
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-talk/
Good luck with it, the older models were far more inaccurate than the newer ones with the heavier barrels. Did you get a Tactical or Target model perhaps? (Yeah... I know..."Target" model and Mini-14 don't belong in the same sentence- I'll give you that much
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I get about 5" groups at 100 yards with reloads... It's by no means an accurate rifle, but I only use it for dispatching coyotes and other pests in the backyard of my cabin (less than 30 yards ha)
I get about 5" groups at 100 yards with reloads... It's by no means an accurate rifle, but I only use it for dispatching coyotes and other pests in the backyard of my cabin (less than 30 yards ha)
Re: Mini 14
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here we go with the Mini bashing...
Break out the popcorn.
If you want some real info, without all the hyperbole, head over here:
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-talk/
Good luck with it, the older models were far more inaccurate than the newer ones with the heavier barrels. Did you get a Tactical or Target model perhaps? (Yeah... I know..."Target" model and Mini-14 don't belong in the same sentence- I'll give you that much) </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here we go with the Mini bashing...
Break out the popcorn.
If you want some real info, without all the hyperbole, head over here:
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-talk/
Good luck with it, the older models were far more inaccurate than the newer ones with the heavier barrels. Did you get a Tactical or Target model perhaps? (Yeah... I know..."Target" model and Mini-14 don't belong in the same sentence- I'll give you that much
) </div></div>
Re: Mini 14
You forgot to mention:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are numerous threads already out there (many of very recent origin) on what to expect from your Mini. If broad-sides of barns or panel vans are your intended game, you've got a 50/50 chance on a clear, calm day with no wind <span style="color: red"> using match ammo staying inside 100yds. </span>
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But really, I think they are alot of fun to shoot, as are Ak's, SKS's, and the like, unfortunately they share the same accuracy potential as well.
You forgot to mention:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are numerous threads already out there (many of very recent origin) on what to expect from your Mini. If broad-sides of barns or panel vans are your intended game, you've got a 50/50 chance on a clear, calm day with no wind <span style="color: red"> using match ammo staying inside 100yds. </span>
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But really, I think they are alot of fun to shoot, as are Ak's, SKS's, and the like, unfortunately they share the same accuracy potential as well.
Re: Mini 14
Tacticool mini-14.. when you want to look cool and make a lot of noise while scaring your enemy.
Tacticool mini-14.. when you want to look cool and make a lot of noise while scaring your enemy.
Re: Mini 14
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steve_Aryan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do they make a sage stock for them? Maybe a mini14 EBR thread is in order. </div></div>
They sure as shit do....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steve_Aryan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do they make a sage stock for them? Maybe a mini14 EBR thread is in order. </div></div>
They sure as shit do....
Re: Mini 14
Holy shit, they really do... http://www.sageinternationalltd.com/si/access/ebr.html#mini
Holy shit, they really do... http://www.sageinternationalltd.com/si/access/ebr.html#mini
Re: Mini 14
As has been said, accuracy varys quite a bit, some really bad, some OK. The one I had in the early to mid 80's was OK and reliability was great, but don't expect it to shoot with a good AR.
As has been said, accuracy varys quite a bit, some really bad, some OK. The one I had in the early to mid 80's was OK and reliability was great, but don't expect it to shoot with a good AR.
Re: Mini 14
J Roger, I have both, 1 mini 14 and 4 AR's.
If you have one of the older mini's, you may consider a barrel stabalizer.
The older minis had a heat problem and the barrel would change (or you might say bend slightly) once it gets hot.
I had a buddie shave the barrel out from the gas block then make a sleve that fit tightly over the end of the barrel. Accuracy is great now.
Plus the mini feels better than either of my AR's.
One note, the AR's have so many more parts avaliable than the Mini 14. You can get almost anything for an AR.
Got to hand it to the AR, it is a winner as millions are sold.
J Roger, I have both, 1 mini 14 and 4 AR's.
If you have one of the older mini's, you may consider a barrel stabalizer.
The older minis had a heat problem and the barrel would change (or you might say bend slightly) once it gets hot.
I had a buddie shave the barrel out from the gas block then make a sleve that fit tightly over the end of the barrel. Accuracy is great now.
Plus the mini feels better than either of my AR's.
One note, the AR's have so many more parts avaliable than the Mini 14. You can get almost anything for an AR.
Got to hand it to the AR, it is a winner as millions are sold.
Re: Mini 14
I have a newer production Mini 14 that I got last June. I wouldn't go out and try to hit any 500+ yard targets with it. But it shoots pretty good out to around 200 with the iron sights. I'm going to scope it up and see how that works. I'm guessing 400 yards is going to be it's max. The older models had a much thinner barrel and started to drift after it got warmed up. This one does that but can handle a lot more heat before it becomes an issue. Makes and awesome truck gun, and in a pinch with take care of business. Hell the A-Team used them all the time.
I have a newer production Mini 14 that I got last June. I wouldn't go out and try to hit any 500+ yard targets with it. But it shoots pretty good out to around 200 with the iron sights. I'm going to scope it up and see how that works. I'm guessing 400 yards is going to be it's max. The older models had a much thinner barrel and started to drift after it got warmed up. This one does that but can handle a lot more heat before it becomes an issue. Makes and awesome truck gun, and in a pinch with take care of business. Hell the A-Team used them all the time.
Re: Mini 14
Years ago I met a guy by the name of Douglas Green. He was pitching a scout mount for the mini and said one of the unintended consequences of it's use was a big increase in accuracy. Having owned a few mini's I was skeptical.
He gave me a scout mount, so I had to buy another mini.
Checked the rifle and found 9 moa for 5 shots at 100 yards, issue sights, benched. 55 grain S&B fmj, copper case, green/yellow box.
Took 15 minutes to install the mount, re-checked accuracy. Zero shifted, but after re-zero, the rifle was 1.25 moa as checked at 100 and 200 yards, issue sights.
You meet the darnedest folks at sniper comps.
http://www.amegaranges.com/
Years ago I met a guy by the name of Douglas Green. He was pitching a scout mount for the mini and said one of the unintended consequences of it's use was a big increase in accuracy. Having owned a few mini's I was skeptical.
He gave me a scout mount, so I had to buy another mini.
Checked the rifle and found 9 moa for 5 shots at 100 yards, issue sights, benched. 55 grain S&B fmj, copper case, green/yellow box.
Took 15 minutes to install the mount, re-checked accuracy. Zero shifted, but after re-zero, the rifle was 1.25 moa as checked at 100 and 200 yards, issue sights.
You meet the darnedest folks at sniper comps.
http://www.amegaranges.com/
Re: Mini 14
My old Mini's responded well to bedding the stock. Brought into the 1.5 MOA range. Out of the box it was around 5 MOA. The new ones are suppose to be better out of the box.
My old Mini's responded well to bedding the stock. Brought into the 1.5 MOA range. Out of the box it was around 5 MOA. The new ones are suppose to be better out of the box.
Re: Mini 14
I have an accuracy systems inc improved Mini 14. Although not cheap, it is capable of pretty good accuracy with the 3-9x40 Leupold scope on top of it. It's good for around 1" @ 100 yards. Not exactly an AR15, but it's ok. Now my standard, off the shelf Mini 14 is my A Team gun. I shoot it from the hip since it's just as likely to hit the target that way as it is from an aimed, shoulder fired standpoint. YMMV. But seriously, it's a 4moa gun AT BEST in standard form.
I have an accuracy systems inc improved Mini 14. Although not cheap, it is capable of pretty good accuracy with the 3-9x40 Leupold scope on top of it. It's good for around 1" @ 100 yards. Not exactly an AR15, but it's ok. Now my standard, off the shelf Mini 14 is my A Team gun. I shoot it from the hip since it's just as likely to hit the target that way as it is from an aimed, shoulder fired standpoint. YMMV. But seriously, it's a 4moa gun AT BEST in standard form.
Re: Mini 14
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: groovebus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I'm guessing 400 yards is going to be it's max. </div></div>
No way! it'll go alot farther than that!!!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: groovebus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I'm guessing 400 yards is going to be it's max. </div></div>
No way! it'll go alot farther than that!!!
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Re: Mini 14
I have one from a place in TX that was Accuracy Systems competitor and I would put it up against anything out there including Heavy barreled AR's. But it has been totally gone thru and had a lot of dough spent on it.
You would have to spend proly 2000-2500 thru Accuracy Systems to get the new bbl, the stock and all the good stuff to have the same weapon.
Just depends if you want the same old black gun or sumthin different. I have both.
I have one from a place in TX that was Accuracy Systems competitor and I would put it up against anything out there including Heavy barreled AR's. But it has been totally gone thru and had a lot of dough spent on it.
You would have to spend proly 2000-2500 thru Accuracy Systems to get the new bbl, the stock and all the good stuff to have the same weapon.
Just depends if you want the same old black gun or sumthin different. I have both.
Re: Mini 14
The Garand-inspired action is part of the reason for the inherent inaccuracy. It's a big-azz chunk of steel op-rod slamming back and forth. But, it's also the action that is the reason for the reliability. With factory mags, they always go bang, with very little care required. Almost AK-like...
My older SS Ranch was minute of basketball. With an Accu-strut barrel stabilizer,bedded stock, trigger job and a flash hider (the extra weight at the end of the barrel helps the barrel harmonics) it shoots 2 moa consistently. The factory triggers are terrible- gritty, grindy with a bunch of take-up and creep and a 5-6 lb pull. After I did some work on it, I have near zero take-up, no creep whatsoever and a 2-1/2 lb. pull. It has helped my accuracy dramatically.
Of course, it would be nice for them to be more of a shooter out of the box, rather than have to invest a bunch of effort to get them halfway accurate. The newer Tactical model is a step in the right direction, but I'd still like to see Ruger outfit them with a true heavy barre. It's not supposed to "compete" with an AR, and I always find it amusing that AR owners find it necessary to bash them. The AR is a more accurate platform. The Mini is more reliable. It was designed as a varmint rifle- truck gun, "Ranch" gun, whatever you want to call it.
The Mini will always have it's haters, and it's fans. Most of the time, I'm a fan.
The Garand-inspired action is part of the reason for the inherent inaccuracy. It's a big-azz chunk of steel op-rod slamming back and forth. But, it's also the action that is the reason for the reliability. With factory mags, they always go bang, with very little care required. Almost AK-like...
My older SS Ranch was minute of basketball. With an Accu-strut barrel stabilizer,bedded stock, trigger job and a flash hider (the extra weight at the end of the barrel helps the barrel harmonics) it shoots 2 moa consistently. The factory triggers are terrible- gritty, grindy with a bunch of take-up and creep and a 5-6 lb pull. After I did some work on it, I have near zero take-up, no creep whatsoever and a 2-1/2 lb. pull. It has helped my accuracy dramatically.
Of course, it would be nice for them to be more of a shooter out of the box, rather than have to invest a bunch of effort to get them halfway accurate. The newer Tactical model is a step in the right direction, but I'd still like to see Ruger outfit them with a true heavy barre. It's not supposed to "compete" with an AR, and I always find it amusing that AR owners find it necessary to bash them. The AR is a more accurate platform. The Mini is more reliable. It was designed as a varmint rifle- truck gun, "Ranch" gun, whatever you want to call it.
The Mini will always have it's haters, and it's fans. Most of the time, I'm a fan.
