Rifle Scopes MK5 HD 2-10x new reticles coming?
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It's in the wild and being run in comps. I am unsure if it's the PR2, but it is a tree reticle with an ETA of Spring 25. I'm sure Leupold will find a way to mess it up or get it almost right. It took years to get a PR2 in the 3-18.
Its wild that the biggest hang up of what people want in the 1-8/2-10 range lines of is just a decent reticle.
It's a complex combination to build out: decent glass, FFP, a usable reticle at 1x/2x and max mag, and a dialing turret.
I hope it is more useable than the CCH in the 3.6-18, I can hardly use that reticle until 5x or so. The TMR is pretty nice for NV / thermal use and the TMR does give some more free real estate for disturbed reticles. Look forward to seeing the updated reticle, but happy with my TMR for now
Oh man. Yeah, it’s been a minute for sure. They were promising other reticles coming “soon” since the optic’s release. Spring 2025 is the soonest now? Wow.
Can we call moving from behind the courter at shotshow to field use progress
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It's really not that difficult to do.
It'll take barely an hour for someone competent to design the reticle, send that drawing to whoever etches the reticles, they push the go button on the machine.
Send the new reticles to the lady that's assembling the scopes and take away the TMR reticle, and Voila! You have a new reticle.
Ilya could design a decent reticle in a heart beat, I think I could too.
Or just copy one of the many decent FFP reticles that already exists and then Leupold it, add 1/3 Mil hashes, or add a Horus style tree to it, etc, etc.
Such a scope already exists and can be had for less than $500. compared to the nearly $2500 for an illuminated Leupold MK5 2-10.
HELOS BTR GEN2 2-12×42 AHMR2 FFP IR MIL
Just look at the spec's between the two and then look at the reticles. Clearly the Leupold reticle is finer one for longer range work, but the Helos is clearly better on the bottom end.
And to be frank a 2-10 or 2-12 class optics are not a varmint scopes nor are they well suited for long range precision work. They are MVPO's for large targets (4 legged or 2 legged) out to a max range of about 800 yds or so. which is in keeping with the cartridges' they are most suited for. The center dot on the Helos reticle is 0.3 mils compared to the MK5's at 0.1 Mils
If long range over 800 yds is what is anticipated mostly, then a 3-18 or 4-20 or higher powers are your huckleberry anyway, and the bottom end on these scope are pretty much useless for fast shooting.
You may think it's a piece of Chi-com junk, but actually buy one and use it in the field you might feel differently. I also have a Trijicon Credo 2-10x36mm and the Athlon is clearly the better scope even though it costs less than half the price of the Credo.
The Credo is mounted on my 18" barreled AR and the Athlon Helos on my 6.5 Creedmoor Sauer 100 bolt rifle.
Here's spec's for the Leupold for your perusal and comparison.
Mark 5HD 2-10x30 M5C3 FFP Illum. TMR
And before some comes back at me and says well the glass is way better on the MK5 HD than the Helos!! Just remember one thing: Better at what?? The primary purpose of these scopes is to hit largish targets and not read newspaper headlines at 500 yds.
This.
If the reticle in a 2-10/12 scope is too fine to see on 2x but is perfectly suited for shooting a 22lr KYL rack at 100yard on 12x, then you've misunderstood the brief.
If I want to shoot a KYL rack, or playing cards on edge or F class I'm not buying a MPVO, I'm buying a 3-18/5-25 scope.
If Leupold puts a PR2 reticle in this scope with no modifications (like what Steiner have done with the H6xi) then their designers need to be roundhouse kicked by Chuck Norris.
The Mark 4, 2-10, SFP, with illuminated TMR, was bought by a close friend and to me is just about perfect in this category as if he needs to holdover he won’t be on less than 10x and the SFP makes the reticle always usable.
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I just bought the FFP version of this scope to take the place of a Helos 2-12 that shit the bed twice. With the relatively simple TMR reticle and illumination, it looks good on low and high power to me, although I agree with the principle that for a 2.5-10x, the reticle holdovers are mostly only going to be used at 10x and a SFP will work as well as FFP for most purposes. Kind of a sweet spot for that though, once you get past about 12x on the top I don't think it holds.
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Whatever they may be designing they have at least a 200% chance of fucking it up. They’re the only company that can fuck up a duplex reticle.
That's not true. Many companies have fucked up duplex reticles. Maybe not with the same enthusiasm, but they have.
ILya
I think you may underestimate the market for the TMR.
It may be simple, but it's simple. It's the best trainer reticle to give people enough data without overwhelming them.
It has brought many a fudd over to the light, and for that it deserves to stay...
I don’t actually hate the TMR reticle, I think it could do with an update with a few tweaks.
I do think it’s stupid to only offer the one option though, and for them to pretend it’s a hard job to design and offer another option.
I hated on the non-illuminated TMR until I actually looked at it on my Mk5 2-10. I actually find it rather nice. My first match with it will be in January, but so far I'm a fan.
But I do agree they could offer more reticles for the optic. I think a PR3 would do well if they brought in the heavy duplex lines in to 5 mils at the sides and 10 mils at the bottom.
But I do agree they could offer more reticles for the optic. I think a PR3 would do well if they brought in the heavy duplex lines in to 5 mils at the sides and 10 mils at the bottom.
Something like the G2 reticle in the HDMR line would be perfect for this scope. I've got the 2-10 TMR and really like it but wish it had a center dot for aiming (I'm too cheap to buy illumination).
I think I'll run the 2-10 with their updated reticle on my 6 Creed coyote gun since I mostly shoot at night with that.
I have thought that a disturbed reticle in a clip on would actually work better with a TMR type reticle because it wouldn't overlap with anything (so I hope their updated reticle is very simple)
I think I'll run the 2-10 with their updated reticle on my 6 Creed coyote gun since I mostly shoot at night with that.
I have thought that a disturbed reticle in a clip on would actually work better with a TMR type reticle because it wouldn't overlap with anything (so I hope their updated reticle is very simple)
One of my Helos 2-12 was on a 300 WSM and something, I think in the parallax adjustment, gave out during a range session such that the view would go blurry after every shot. I could adjust it back to clear with the parallax knob, but it would go out again with the next shot. Sent it back for repair, when it came back it seemed fine, but it was on a 7mm PRC for a while and then in the middle of a range session, went blurry after a shot and couldn't be adjusted. I sent it back and said I wanted a refund because I needed a scope I could rely on. They responded that they didn't do refunds, but offered me the option of getting a different scope as a replacement. I picked an Ares ETR 3-18, it was very nice, but too heavy for the light hunting rifle I wanted to use it on, so I sold it and picked up the Mark 4HD 2.5-10 ill, which I really like thus far.
My other Helos 2-12 has been on a 6.5 CM hunting rifle, shot a lot and carried around Wyoming some, hasn't given me any issues.
Reinvented the mil-dot. Introducing the mil-diamond.
Been wishing for that for a long time but sadly Leupy appears to have abandoned the Mark 6 line
not sure they can design a good MPVO reticle either.Stupid thing is the H27D is very very close to being ideal.Been wishing for that for a long time but sadly Leupy appears to have abandoned the Mark 6 line
Take the centre and horizontal bars, add the PR2 tree and you have a excellent reticle.
Wasn't it you who coined the term "they did a Leupold"? Leupy has a lot of "missed it by that much" moments (Get Smart for those old enough)
So I shouldn't firesale my TMR 2-10?? The reticle is ok, I just wish I could get a center dot without paying $500 for illumination but such is life I guess. The turrets and light weight make up for that inconvenience though
I run the Spuhr Noveske Shooting Team mounts. 1.26 high and piggybacked
That makes sense, I know you like the lower mounts. A lot of guys going to the 1.7/1.9 and now 2" high mounts. Been playing with different heights but haven't tried anything this low yet. Sending a PM
It was.Wasn't it you who coined the term "they did a Leupold"? Leupy has a lot of "missed it by that much" moments (Get Smart for those old enough)
It is astounding just how close they can come, yet still miss spectacularly.
I still think the VX6hd with Mil turrets and Firedot TMR would make an amazing SFP MPVO/hunting scope.
FFP would be even better.
You’ve proven yourself totally incapable of refraining from posting dumb shit in any Leupold related thread. Name one new product line they’ve dropped that’s taken them almost 2 years to get inventory to market… just one.
The MK4’s and MK5’s shipped to dealers and most sku’s were in stock a couple months after release. The MK5’s were 2018 SHOT and I had my first ones delivered April 2nd 2018 according to the timestamped picture on my phone. The MK4’s last year started shipping in March/April and by early June all of the sku’s were available.
There’s many areas where Leupold is deserving of criticism, but delivering product to market isn’t one of them.
Before you fly off the rails on him, consider that maybe he was referring to their timeline of delivering new reticles to market.
When the Mk5HD 2-10 came out 2 years ago now, they said other reticles were coming out imminently. That was two years ago. Just like it took years to bring the PR2 to the 3.6-18.
It was a play on the American way of writing the date more than anything but if bicycle boy is upset by that, well I can live with that.
I must say the Mark 4hd has been the closest I've been to buying another Leupold scope.
The 2.5-10x42 was very tempting but I've just managed to buy a Bushnell LRTS 3-12 which I'm going to use for a bit and will likely scratch that MPVO itch for a month or two at least.
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