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moa?
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Main Entry: sub-
Function: prefix
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin, under, below, secretly, from below, near, from sub under, close to — more at up
1 : under : beneath : below <subsoil> <subaqueous>
2 a : subordinate : secondary : next lower than or inferior to <substation> <subeditor> b : subordinate portion of : subdivision of <subcommittee> <subspecies> c : with repetition (as of a process) so as to form, stress, or deal with subordinate parts or relations <sublet> <subcontract>
3 : less than completely, perfectly, or normally : somewhat <subacute> <subclinical>
4 a : almost : nearly <suberect> b : falling nearly in the category of and often adjoining : bordering on <subarctic>
sub-moa is less than 1.047" at 100 yards. If your rifle shoots 1", 1.25", 1.875" consistently at 200yds, yes it is sub-moa.
Main Entry: sub-
Function: prefix
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin, under, below, secretly, from below, near, from sub under, close to — more at up
1 : under : beneath : below <subsoil> <subaqueous>
2 a : subordinate : secondary : next lower than or inferior to <substation> <subeditor> b : subordinate portion of : subdivision of <subcommittee> <subspecies> c : with repetition (as of a process) so as to form, stress, or deal with subordinate parts or relations <sublet> <subcontract>
3 : less than completely, perfectly, or normally : somewhat <subacute> <subclinical>
4 a : almost : nearly <suberect> b : falling nearly in the category of and often adjoining : bordering on <subarctic>
sub-moa is less than 1.047" at 100 yards. If your rifle shoots 1", 1.25", 1.875" consistently at 200yds, yes it is sub-moa.
Re: moa?
Less than 1 inch @ 100 yds. 1 Minute of Angle is 1.047 inches @ 100 yds.
If you are shooting 1" groups @ 200yds then your rifle would be considered sub-MOA. Hope this answered your question. Good luck
Bryan
Less than 1 inch @ 100 yds. 1 Minute of Angle is 1.047 inches @ 100 yds.
If you are shooting 1" groups @ 200yds then your rifle would be considered sub-MOA. Hope this answered your question. Good luck
Bryan
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Anything under 1 MOA is sub-moa in my opinion. So basically under:
1"@100
2"@200
3"@300
and so on...
Anything under 1 MOA is sub-moa in my opinion. So basically under:
1"@100
2"@200
3"@300
and so on...
Re: moa?
sub MOA would be able to shoot >1" 5 round group at 100 yards.
My opinion, your mileage may vary
sub MOA would be able to shoot >1" 5 round group at 100 yards.
My opinion, your mileage may vary
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On the internets, all it takes is one single group of 3 shots fired 2 years ago that went about an inch at 200 yds and it makes it a sub moa rifle.
On the internets, all it takes is one single group of 3 shots fired 2 years ago that went about an inch at 200 yds and it makes it a sub moa rifle.
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On the hide it's generally acceptable to claim that your system is capable of sub-MOA accuracy if you can fire five consecutive five round groups under 1" at 100 yards.
One three round or even five round group doesn't cut it.
On the hide it's generally acceptable to claim that your system is capable of sub-MOA accuracy if you can fire five consecutive five round groups under 1" at 100 yards.
One three round or even five round group doesn't cut it.
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I agree with LoneWolf. one 3-5 rnd group would be accurate but five...thats getting precise. Thats consistency. Its easy to go out and shoot a tight group one day but to go out and do it every day under other than "ideal" conditions is far from a walk in the park
I agree with LoneWolf. one 3-5 rnd group would be accurate but five...thats getting precise. Thats consistency. Its easy to go out and shoot a tight group one day but to go out and do it every day under other than "ideal" conditions is far from a walk in the park
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That being said, there is a difference between your GUN being sub MOA, and YOU being capable of producing sub MOA... Seen plenty of guys shoot accurate rifles and not hit the broad side of a barn with them, and seen some guys shoot small groups with factory sticks. He who pulls the trigger needs to be capable of sub MOA accuracy to demand it of your rifle.
That being said, there is a difference between your GUN being sub MOA, and YOU being capable of producing sub MOA... Seen plenty of guys shoot accurate rifles and not hit the broad side of a barn with them, and seen some guys shoot small groups with factory sticks. He who pulls the trigger needs to be capable of sub MOA accuracy to demand it of your rifle.
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I got accurate rifles and I can hit the broad side of a barn, its just the narrow side that gives me fits......
I like the guys that buy rifles with 1/4moa guarantees and think that they will automatically shoot 1/4moa.
Usually you know accuracy claims are BS when you hear the two words, "all day".
I got accurate rifles and I can hit the broad side of a barn, its just the narrow side that gives me fits......
I like the guys that buy rifles with 1/4moa guarantees and think that they will automatically shoot 1/4moa.
Usually you know accuracy claims are BS when you hear the two words, "all day".
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The "all day" part depends on what precedes it. If someone says it'll hold MOA all day, then I tend to be on the trusting side, but when someone says "1/4 MOA all day" my bullshit radar goes off.
But then again, there was this one time.......
The "all day" part depends on what precedes it. If someone says it'll hold MOA all day, then I tend to be on the trusting side, but when someone says "1/4 MOA all day" my bullshit radar goes off.
But then again, there was this one time.......
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Usually you know accuracy claims are BS when you hear the two words, "all day". </div></div>
+1
Hardrock is only a moa course, 20rds total, 5rds at 600, 800, 900 an 1Kyds.
Those all day, everyday types, are welcome/need to come show us how it's done.
Lots of sticks are sub at 100yds, what does that prove?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Usually you know accuracy claims are BS when you hear the two words, "all day". </div></div>
+1
Hardrock is only a moa course, 20rds total, 5rds at 600, 800, 900 an 1Kyds.
Those all day, everyday types, are welcome/need to come show us how it's done.
Lots of sticks are sub at 100yds, what does that prove?
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Virtually all of the targets at a Rifles Only match are at least one MOA. Most are at least two MOA.
The winning percentage is usually around 60 percent of the total possible score - if Terry Cross is one of the shooters. If Terry is not there, the winning percentage is usually in the 50-percent range. It's been lower.
So, a guy who can deliver on a one MOA target "all day" will win every match.
I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my freeking breath.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Successful application of the precision rifle is a lot more about thinking than it is about shooting. -- Jacob Bynum, Director, Rifles Only</div></div>
Virtually all of the targets at a Rifles Only match are at least one MOA. Most are at least two MOA.
The winning percentage is usually around 60 percent of the total possible score - if Terry Cross is one of the shooters. If Terry is not there, the winning percentage is usually in the 50-percent range. It's been lower.
So, a guy who can deliver on a one MOA target "all day" will win every match.
I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my freeking breath.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Successful application of the precision rifle is a lot more about thinking than it is about shooting. -- Jacob Bynum, Director, Rifles Only</div></div>
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it seems the "consistently" is the part that gives fits cuz most people dont shoot very consistently. seems to me that if it does it a couple times an outing then its prolly me thats the weak link in a very precise system.
it seems the "consistently" is the part that gives fits cuz most people dont shoot very consistently. seems to me that if it does it a couple times an outing then its prolly me thats the weak link in a very precise system.
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Agreed 100% that someone can't hold MOA "all day" but that doesn't mean the rifle itself isn't capable. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that a lot of the rifles posted here are more than capable of holding MOA "all day," but that's only a small piece of the puzzle when it actually comes to sending bullet downrange.
Agreed 100% that someone can't hold MOA "all day" but that doesn't mean the rifle itself isn't capable. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that a lot of the rifles posted here are more than capable of holding MOA "all day," but that's only a small piece of the puzzle when it actually comes to sending bullet downrange.
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"there is a difference between your GUN being sub MOA, and YOU being capable of producing sub MOA"---Lizzardking308
that about sums it all up.
"there is a difference between your GUN being sub MOA, and YOU being capable of producing sub MOA"---Lizzardking308
that about sums it all up.
