My 45ACP Load Question

Iggy

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I just started loading for my 45 and I think I found the load that matches my factory round. The alarming part is the amount of powder is way over what is book max, but there seem to be no signs of over pressure.

So here the steps I took and my results.

1. I did a ladder test in .1 grain increments of Bullseye, checking for pressure signs and the amount of soot blowing into the chamber and over the case wall. I loaded up to 5.5 grains successfully.

2. I feared that this load was way too hot. Alliant's site states that the max for a 230 grain bullet is 5.0 grains of Bullseye. However it was the load that resulted in the least amount of soot, which is a sign of a good seal. My main goal was to match a Federal load of 45 with a large pistol primer. It has shot great out of all my guns.

3. I shot some of these Federal factory loads and inspected the cases and I was surprised how clean the cases were. Further research showed me that Bullseye is dirty, but the 5.4 and 5.5 were almost close to what the federal cases look like.

4. Finally after hating all this guess work and not having factual numbers for my work, I decided to chrono my rounds. I shot the Federal ammo first, then 5.0 to 5.5 in .1 increments. Here are my results.

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It looks like 5.4 grains is identical to the Federal load. There were no over pressure signs, and loads felt equally as powerful.

My question is; is this load safe? I have read all over and some state that 5.0 is the best load all the way up to 5.4, but the book says 5.0 max? I don't understand, but maybe someone can shed some light if I am going to blow my face off.

Here are my load details:
Rainier 230 grain ball
Mixed Cases
CCI LP Primers
1.260 COAL
Taper Crimp

Shot out of my Kimber TLE II
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Iggy.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My question is; is this load safe? I have read all over and some state that 5.0 is the best load all the way up to 5.4, but the book says 5.0 max? I don't understand, but maybe someone can shed some light if I am going to blow my face off.

Here are my load details:
Rainier 230 grain ball
Mixed Cases
CCI LP Primers
1.260 COAL
Taper Crimp

Shot out of my Kimber TLE II </div></div>

Two of my books list 5.7 and 5.3 as max, but they aren't using the same primer, bullet, case or firearm.

The only way I can tell if I am getting near dangerous pressures is by inspecting the case. Overpressure can happen before book max or after it.
Book max is a benchmark, in different firearms and components it is going to vary.

If you don't trust your observations; do you have any pictures of cases that we could examine for overpressure signs?
 
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If you aren't showing signs of pressure, I'd call it good. 45ACP is low pressure anyway...17000 psi or so. So if you're actually at 20ksi, no real big deal. A 9mm, 40 or 10mm on the other hand, operate at close to 40ksi, so an extra several thousand is a much bigger deal with those. That said, velocity is a goid indication of pressure, and yours is right in line.

Book max for a 200gr jacketed with titegroup is 5.1(ish), for my G21C to cycle properly, I use 5.6, and I don't sweat it at all - my primers are a bit flat, but not FLAT!

By the way, I love Titegroup. Very clean, meters great, very versatile, and good velocity in 45. While you can load any pistol with it, it usually doesnt provide top velocity.
 
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Rainier's data has a max load of 5.6 for Bullseye. Rainier bullets are softer than an FMJ. They have data for their bullets or you can use the data for cast bullets.
 
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Thanks for the help guys!

I just loaded all my Rainier bullets and I think I'll be switching to Berry's. They are a little cheaper than the Rainier's.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Win_94</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you don't trust your observations; do you have any pictures of cases that we could examine for overpressure signs?</div></div>

I'm pretty sure they are fine, but here are the fired cases out of my Kimber and S&W MP45.

(Kimber left and MP on the right)
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The M&P always leaves a weird primer strike. Even on factory ammo.
 
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Pardon the pun but 'just a shot in the dark' with your M&P ;
Have you removed the striker and cleaned it? You may also consider replacing the striker spring if you have upwards of a few thousand rounds through it.
 
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I have cleaned the striker. As a matter of fact I have taken the whole slide apart to clean it.

It does have about 4K rounds through it though. Maybe it's time for a new spring? I've replaced the guide rod assembly.


DSC_1357 by .iggy, on Flickr
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former naval person</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is a common wipe with striker fired pistols. All the Glocks I have seen do it too. </div></div>

This is correct. I can confirm on Glocks. The striker is shaped different than a 1911 firing pin.