NAVY SEAL author's identity outed by FoxNews

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First of all I hope this is not considered political, and if it is please delete accordingly.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/...-legal-trouble/

Basically a SEAL Team Six member claims he was one of the first guys through the door in the raid that killed Bin Laden last year. He wrote a book under a nom de plum and a FoxNews reporter named ----Justin Fishel---- outed the author's true identity; publishing his name, home town, and military service detail out there for the whole world to see.

What are you all's thoughts on FoxNews disclosing the true identity of the SEAL?

-Kris
 
#2
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In typical media fashion they don't give two shits about anything but ratings and sales. They will sell anyone out toward that end and they feel no remorse or responsibility for their actions.
 
#3
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As much as I want to read the book and hear what happened my view is twofold.

The fox reporter is a moron and should have kept this information discrete

The author, from the sound of things, has not gotten permission from the NSW regarding the publication of this book and unlike what Luttrell discusses in <span style="text-decoration: underline">Service</span> it has not been scoured and sterilized for active duty folks as well as OpSec considerations.

If it's indeed true, both of them made very foolish decisions but more-so on the former operator.
 
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I'd say that if the SEAL wasn't supposed to reveal anything 'secret', he shouldn't have written a book. PERIOD. If he was free to talk about anything he did, then it doesn't matter what FOX reported, the former SEAL shouldn't have anything to hide. Likewise, if he IS still on active duty, he should've kept his big mouth shut, and not tried to make a fast buck by writing about what he did, and then try and hide it by using a fake name. This is the real world, not make-believe land, and there are actions for what we do. This SEAL is about to find out that very important lesson, and no, it's NOT the fault of the dumb-ass reporter who "outed" the SEAL who used poor judgement in the first place. Even if the SEAL is off active-duty, but what he wrote about was still deemed classified, again, he should've kept quite. There is no "victim" here, except possibly other Spec OP guys who are still out hunting down bad-guys.
 
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You'd think if Journalist were so good at investigating they'd quit using the name "SEAL Team 6" already since that hasn't been their official title for over 20 years...
 
#9
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Broker - Guess I should have used DEVGRU, however I was trying to keep it in simple terms that many/most people would recognize.

With that said, shame on him for writing about the event in the first place imho. I guess Silent Professional is a loose term when dollar signs are in the back of your mind.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As much as I want to read the book and hear what happened my view is twofold.

The fox reporter is a moron and should have kept this information discrete
</div></div>

Or go back to the root, maybe the operator should have kept this information discreet as he LEGALLY SIGNED a document stating he would do so.

Navy Seal or not, he violated the law and should be prosecuted.
 
#11
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Me, I give a former SEAL the benefit of the doubt. IMO money was not his primary aim; he states in the book "It is time to set the record straight about one of the most important missions in U.S. military history."
In this article here it is stated that a former special operations attorney, whatever that is, vetted the book.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Him and his brothers have helped to keep my ass secure here at home, he deserves that much, again IMO.
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DangerVegas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Broker - Guess I should have used DEVGRU, however I was trying to keep it in simple terms that many/most people would recognize.</div></div>

I wasn't talking about you but Fox news and every other news agency that like the sensationalism of "SEAL Team 6", so I apologize if you thought that was directed your way...
 
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Sadly money is a huge motivator and alot of good guys can e pulled in the wrong direction by money. If u get out more power to u but a lot of guys are now trying to ride the publicity train nsw is on, while nsw itself tries to pull back out of the spotlight.
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1kHIT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd say that if the SEAL wasn't supposed to reveal anything 'secret', he shouldn't have written a book. PERIOD. If he was free to talk about anything he did, then it doesn't matter what FOX reported, the former SEAL shouldn't have anything to hide. Likewise, if he IS still on active duty, he should've kept his big mouth shut, and not tried to make a fast buck by writing about what he did, and then try and hide it by using a fake name. This is the real world, not make-believe land, and there are actions for what we do. This SEAL is about to find out that very important lesson, and no, it's NOT the fault of the dumb-ass reporter who "outed" the SEAL who used poor judgement in the first place. Even if the SEAL is off active-duty, but what he wrote about was still deemed classified, again, he should've kept quite. There is no "victim" here, except possibly other Spec OP guys who are still out hunting down bad-guys. </div></div>

^^This, if you dont want people to know your identity, then dont write books about one of the most important operations in recent history. Surely this should have been anticipated.
 
#17
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Whatever, since no one here has actually read the book yet I'd suggest all the armchair quarterbacks shut the manpleaser until they find out what this guy's angle is. If you are worried about opsec for this mission then forget about it as the NCA blew that with the New Yorker article back in Aug 2011 when they published in depth operational details for political reasons. Open your minds a little a think chess instead of checkers....sometimes doing the right thing means not following the rules. You may find on reading the book that there is a good reason for what he did, or maybe not. Condemning the guy before you know is exactly the kind of BS you get from the media.
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sadly money is a huge motivator and alot of good guys can e pulled in the wrong direction by money. If u get out more power to u but a lot of guys are now trying to ride the publicity train nsw is on, while nsw itself tries to pull back out of the spotlight. </div></div>

Yea but look who put them on the train.....The same people who will prosecute the author road the train first. No excuse mind you just pointing it out.
 
#19
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i won't go into it much more then that, there is two reasons to do that job. to actually be a SEAL and to be able to say your a SEAL. people tend to fall in those categories. the capability to make money off your exploits like that is a pretty big draw for some people. marcus did really well, so did chris, and some others. more power to em.
 
#20
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I honestly don't see what the big deal is!

A fuckin movie is coming out in November about the same shit... With even more so of an insider scoop from our current administration.

I'm guessing here, but isn't an operator still a grunt... They don't know the details of how an order came to fruition from higher echelons
 
#21
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Didn't the initial reports about this specifically say the SEAL in question was from Alaska? Given those details, I'm not surprised his real name was figured out. Was just a matter of time.
 
#23
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He outed himself. The mere fact that the SEAL community is out raged at his money grab speaks for its self. Regardless of his motive for writing the book, once he put pen to paper for the purpose of publishing his version of events he put his credibility at issue. That is, every discerning reader should be asking himself "Do I believe this guy?" and "Why should I or should I not believe this account?". His identity and his reputation for truth and veracity are central to that determination. I believe that he and his publisher were well aware that his identity would soon be discovered and that the controversy would serve as yet another marketing tool.
 
#24
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RogueHK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think fox should be hung out to dry for outing an American hero </div></div>

Bro, I love our military just as much as the next guy but put your fanboism aside. This guy outed himself. One of the first things we learn is to never trust the media, they're not our friends. That being said, the journalist was just doing his job.
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As much as I want to read the book and hear what happened my view is twofold.

The fox reporter is a moron and should have kept this information discrete
</div></div>

Or go back to the root, maybe the operator should have kept this information discreet as he LEGALLY SIGNED a document stating he would do so.

Navy Seal or not, he violated the law and should be prosecuted. </div></div>

And if you read the entire post of mine, my comments regarding the SEAL are to that effect, though I didn't expressly say "Prosecution" I perhaps didn't clearly imply it enough with the "foolish decision" comment.

IMO, The reporter falls into the old adage "Just because someone else did it doesn't mean you should too"
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whatever, since no one here has actually read the book yet I'd suggest all the armchair quarterbacks shut the manpleaser until they find out what this guy's angle is.
</div></div>

I dont think anybody has anything against the guy, nor are we airchair quarterbacks. Just saying that the guy may as well used his real name if he wanted to write this book, since it was only a matter of time before somebody discovered his identity. You cant expect anonymity with something like this. He's not writing a Harry Potter book.

BTW, thanks for outing my manpleaser, it had enjoyed anonymity until you cunningly disclosed its identity.
sick.gif
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: battle-scarred</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if he didnt want to be outed, he shouldnt have written a book. somebody wants to be a star..... </div></div>

BINGO!!
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The reporter should be prosecuted then assraped daily in prison. </div></div>

yes..............
 
#31
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RogueHK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think fox should be hung out to dry for outing an American hero </div></div>

yes........
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Larson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RogueHK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think fox should be hung out to dry for outing an American hero </div></div>

yes........ </div></div>

Bill, there was no "outing", this is a Press Release.

The publisher and Fox were more than happy to make this "news" when in reality it's simply theater.

This kind of "outing" is miraculously timed with an upcoming book release, what an amazing coincidence!
 
#35
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On certain things reporters need to keep their big mouths shut.

As for the SEAL I'm sure he will be PNG'ed by them
 
#37
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I don't know or think secrets will be revealed, calling him a trader is off base . it was the out house and that used the raid for political gain and some of the inner belt way scum just follower there master. This has set SPECOPS back a bit, they can no longer trust the president of anybody in his inner circle. I just pray no lives are lost because of loose lips and political traders are found out and held accountable for there actions. MM
 
#40
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Look, if the book contains information that was classified then he is wrong.

I know he signed a non disclosure agreement when he received his clearance. Morally and honorably that is wrong.

Now he's getting death threats - and you know those guys will chase people down to the ends of earth - look what happened in Norway (?) or Switzerland to the author that made the Mohammed cartoon.

Not my problem though, but I won't pay for the book...It's too coincedentally timed with an election where other material about this has been released and that stinks of politics.
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
MM you need to quit typin shit from your phone... lol... </div></div>

I think in this case the auto correct got it right.

White house = out house
 
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