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Need help with some silver bullets

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I would like to cast a couple of silver bullets for my 45. I have a couple ounce ingot of 99% silver. How do I do this. Melting point of 1,763 F might be a problem. Probably need to be a sabot round because of hardness or won't engage rifleing. Do I treat it just like lead? What load do you recommend? lube? I want a few just in case I run into a were wolf.































































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It is that time of year you know.
 
Re: Need help with some silver bullets

I looked at this from a technical viewpoint several years ago. Your molds have to be cool and sooted really well. The silver will have to be heated in a seperate container or dipper. If you dally too long the silver will weld to the mold. And an aluminum mold won't take the heat.

You are correct that the rifling won't get a good purchase on the silver. If I were going to do it, a sabot would probably be the way to go.

I think I would consider getting the local jeweler to do a heavy electroplate on a couple of regular bullets. That would be about 2% of the cost of doing it the hard way. A polished nickel will look much like silver. And it wouldn't turn black when you carry it in your pocket.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KHOOKS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is the gif file from a movie I can't place it. Wondering if there a Werewlof movie I have missed.

Thanks

As for as silver bullets I have no idea. </div></div>

Looks like "Van Helsing," but if you've seen one Werewolf, you've seen them all.
 
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My father tried this many years ago with no success. He did get the silver to melt in a ladle using a torch. When he poured it into the mold, it started to set before the mold was full so he only could get a small part of a bullet and the mold broke each time. I guess if he heated the mold to a few degrees less than the molten silver it may have worked better. He gave up after that. My suggestion would be to melt the silver in a ladle, let it set then machine one.
 
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The Lone Ranger's horse was named Silver. I don't recall any reference to him using silver bullets or werewolves in any of the episodes. I could be wrong though.

Why am I responding to this?
 
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Way back in the 50 or 60s Guns and Ammo did a story and a cover on this subject. As I recall they did not shoot well, but I tried to dig up on the internet, below is what I found.



The movies and lore tell us that silver bullets may be successfully used against all kinds of supernatual beings.
Well, here's my own experience in making these bullets. It's not easy and they are not accurate.
I reload my own ammunition as a hobby. I also cast my own bullets of molten lead and lead alloys of lead, tin and antimony. I've been reloading ammo and casting bullets for more than 35 years.
Years ago, I tried to cast a silver bullet for my Colt .45-caliber pistol as an experiment.
I bought some old silver coins at a local coin dealer. They were so worn that the date was no longer visible, so I was able to buy them at little cost.
Lead melts at 625 degrees Fahrenheit. Silver melts at considerably higher temperature.
The first problem to overcome was getting the cast-iron pot hot enough to melt silver. Once melted, I had to use a blowtorch played slowly over the iron mould blocks, to heat them to a dull cherry red.
If the mould is not hot, the liquid alloy will not flow into all corners of the mould, leaving a wrinkled, imperfect bullet.
So, after numerous tries my buddy and I finally got a nice, shiny, well-filled bullet.
Then I lubricated it with vegetable shortening, which is a very good bullet lubricant for black powder uses. I loaded the silver bullet into a primed case over about 35 grains of FFFG-grade black powder.
This was fired from my Ruger .45-caliber revolver.
We pinned a target to a cardboard apple box and I carefully lined up the sights.
From 20 feet, I missed the apple box entirely!
We saw the bullet strike in the dirt bluff, about four feet to the left of the box. We were able to dig out and recover the bullet.
Examination showed that it had very shallow rifling marks on it. Almost nonexistent.
Rifling is the spiral grooves cut into a gun's barrel, to dig into the bullet and make it spin point-on. This greatly enhances accuracy. Think of a bullet as a toy top, spinning at high speed, and you'll picture what it does.
Well, silver is considerably harder than lead, so the rifling didn't get much of a chance to dig into it and spin it. Consequently, accuracy was terrible. Incidentally, this same revolver is accurate with standard lead bullets loaded over black powder, so it was not the revolver's fault. Nor was it the shooter's inaccuracy, as I used a stump to rest my hands upon before firing the pistol, to ensure a steady hold.
We didn't repeat the experiment. I was satisfied that, as far as guns with rifled bores go, silver bullets are not the way to go.
However, a shotgun loaded with silver balls might be good werewolf and vampire medicine, as shotguns typically have smooth bores and no rifling. Yes, some shotgun barrels are rifled, but I'm speaking in generalities here.
One company offers commercially cast lead bullets with a trace of silver in them. This is meant to harden the bullet for use in loads more powerful than the norm. But these bullets have only a trace amount of silver in them and are mostly lead and tin alloy.
Anyway, the movies falsely portray casting silver bullets as relatively simple and quick. This is clearly not the case.
This leads me to suspect that the Lone Ranger was a terrible shot. He probably got credit for shots that Tonto made with regular lead bullets.
And where did he find the time to cast silver bullets for enough cartridges to fill his gunbelt? It must have taken days, perhaps weeks!

“Actually, not many people ever made silver bullets. It’s a difficult process, and their efficacy against werewolves has never been scientifically proven. I suppose their renown came from the perception that silver was a distinguished metal, often spoken of in connection with its higher-class cousin, gold. But today silver is far more common, and it tarnishes over time, primarily because of sulfur pollution from power plants. (By and large, it didn’t tarnish before the Industrial Age.)

“I couldn’t find any references describing real historical silver-bullet-crafting techniques. At 1,764°F, molten silver would ruin traditional and modern bullet molds. They could have been fashioned using jewelers’ methods, but that would require a new plaster mold for every bullet. Frankly, I think people spent a lot more time talking about silver bullets than they did turning them out. I don’t like legends that are all talk, so I decided to see what it takes to produce a real silver bullet: not plated, not sterling—pure silver.

“To create the mold, I first had to construct a bit. I used a lathe to turn a steel rod into a bulletlike shape, then used a milling machine to cut away a quarter-circle wedge of the rod, leaving a sharp cutting edge. Basically I had built a router bit shaped like a bullet. (I’ve fabricated bits like this freehand with a file; which works fine, it just takes longer. Much longer.) After using the bit to machine the graphite bullet mold, I used an electrically heated graphite crucible to pour in 0.999 fine liquid silver at about 2,000°F, which is 230°F above its melting point. The mold must be preheated with a blowtorch to keep the silver from solidifying before it fills the whole cavity. One of the benefits of using graphite is that it keeps the silver from oxidizing, so bullets come out bright and shiny.” Source: Popular Science

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Not sure I agree with you on the seen one seen all part about Werewolves. Some movie werewolves are just awful looking well some of them makes my skin crawl.
 
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to cast a silver bullet you need a few thing you're not likely to find in your boolit casting setup. first get a ceramic crucible, then get a centrifuge, then get some silicate slurry and sand. now take a cheap alum. mold and heat it to 130 deg, then fill it with melted red boolit lube. take the wax boolit from the mold and attach a wax sprue with a little heat. dip it in the slurry and then sprinkle some sand on it. repeat 5-6 times. fire your new mold at 1300deg for 6 hours. now attache your "mold" to the centrifuge and use some Babbitt to make a flow channel to the crucible. use an acetylene torch to melt your silver to 1900deg and turn on the centrifuge. break your new bullet out of the ceramic, cut/grind the sprue, size and polish. enjoy.

if that sounds like a lot of work, you could just buy some .5" silver rod from a jeweler supply store and turn a boolit on a lathe with a duplicator.

you may be able to do it with a steel mold instead of making your own, but an iron mold will most likely be damaged by the process. but for the cost of a steel mold you could have a jeweler make a bullet for you with no risk to your own equipment.

note: it has been many years since i made a silver bullet. some of the information above may be slightly inaccurate. research "lost wax" or "investment" casting techniques prior to using the method described above.
 
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Does Silver tip bullet work on Were wolfs?
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If so, I would suggest the Winchester silvertip bullets. At least they used to make them.
 
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There was a show last night on the History channel. It was new about were wolfs. The made silver bullets on the show. They didnt do very well. There was no expansion. Went through two things of ballistic jell. They were not very accurate either. It was kind of interesting.
 
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Are you talking about .45 ACP or a black powder. On the off chance you were talking about the former just electroplate a FMJ bullet. If the latter, electroplate the lead with copper and then try electroplating silver onto the copper. I don't know if that would work or not, but it would be a lot easier to try than trying to cast silver at home.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I recall he used silver bullets. He had a silver mine.</div></div>

You must be older than I am Eddie.
 
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Repost from AR15.com from Wednesday night:

Funny you should ask. I was watching the History Channel tonight, MonsterQuest on werewolves in history. Seems there was one in France, or rather some grisly murders attributed via folklore, to a werewolf in the 1700s.

One guy had been out in the woods hunting and fired on a strange creature (hyenna?) with a pure silver bullet in his flint/matchlock rifle that had been blessed by a priest. Anyhow, cutting to the chase, the werewolf hunters doing this show, cast some pure silver .44cal rifle bullets, loaded them up in what appeared to be a long straight walled case, similar to what a 45/70 looks like.

The went to an indoor range and set the target up at ~40' and then fired some lead bullets, 3 shots which grouped at ~2 inches, maybe less, out of a long lever action rifle. They then had the guy shoot the 3 silver cast bullets and the group was like 4-5" at the same ~40'. They then got two blocks of calibrated ballistic gelatin and fired one lead RN bullet into it, followed by one of the silver bullets.

The lead bullet left a nice few inch wide crush cavity and penetrated the ~17" block and stuck into the front of the second block behind it. The silver bullet had no expansion and no crush cavity, basically bee-lining it right through the block and resting in the front of the second block IIRC.

It was a neat test, although they didn't go into too much detail about the weapon or the reloaded ammo. They did show the guy smelting the silver and pouring it into the cavity molds.

Gold is softer, but the theory with silver, according to these guys, was that it was too hard for the rifling to grip into the bullet and it was basically acting as if it was fired out of a smooth bore barrel. Plus it was too hard to mushroom/expand.

Chris
 
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I was watching the history channel and they compared a lead cast and a silver cast. The silver cast did very little damage and said you would need to hit a vital in order to make a kill. It was pretty interesting. It was about killing werewolfs.
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The myth of the silver bullet was actually originated by jewelers with an obvious profit motive. I prefer the time-proven methods of wooden stakes and particularly garlic, which can be blended with butter to use as a bullet lubricant and is particularly delicious when spilled over toasted French bread.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sjm229</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I recall he used silver bullets. He had a silver mine.</div></div>

You must be older than I am Eddie. </div></div>

My right knee is about 80, the rest of me is 53.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Winchester 69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The myth of the silver bullet was actually originated by jewelers with an obvious profit motive. I prefer the time-proven methods of wooden stakes and particularly garlic, which can be blended with butter to use as a bullet lubricant and is particularly delicious when spilled over toasted French bread. </div></div>

I've found garlic works better on vampires than werewolves.
 
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No NO You have to get the bullets like on Underworld. They are made like a paint round only fill with silver natrate. They if you need bullets of vampires you fell them with uv light.

These should fire fine in the newer style weapons such as Glocks/Desert Eagles/HK's and such.
 
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i think it's more about the silver acting like a toxin to the werewolf, rather than a wound channel. however, you'd need some expansion to keep the silver "toxin" in the body cavity long enough to cause an adverse reaction.

if it had to do with wound channel, any bullet would do, i guess.

what if you put out a bowl of antifreeze? would a werewolf do the same as any k-9 and drink the shit and die?

do you have to shoot a werewolf when it is in human form with a silver buller also, or while human, do regular means work?

we'll have to save those questions for halloween 2010.
 
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I thinks using a silver point and core as silver and copper for the rifling. That would stabilize the bullet and for greater accuracy. Also having a partitioned bullet that would come apart would make for a greater wound channel since now there are three pieces flying around inside the wound area. Just my thoughts.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've found garlic works better on vampires than werewolves. </div></div>
Never cooked a vampire. Recipe?
 
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Hollowpoint filled with silver nitrate, plugged with the appropriate diameter ball of lead shot. If you want to really sex it up precede the silver nitrate with a dollup (as opposed to a smidgeon...) of mercury.

Greg
 
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Recipe, about the same as the more common variety bat..., but larger proportions...

...And be sure your Rabies inoculations are current...

Personally, I've always been partial to the effects version of the Werewolves from the picture <span style="font-style: italic">Dog Soldiers</span>; and dare I reference <span style="font-style: italic">The</span> Kate?
 
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<span style="text-decoration: underline">Love</span> <span style="text-decoration: underline">at</span> <span style="text-decoration: underline">First</span> <span style="text-decoration: underline">Bite</span> had the bad bat suffering a hangover after having jumped a wino.
 
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Thanks guys for all the great replies!
After reading several replies I had no idea silver was so hard. They do it on TV! I have seen them.

Anyways I chose the 12 gauge 31/2" Magnum idea. I put several different things in there, So I got Vampire, lycanthrope and zombies covered in there.

Thanks again! you guys rock!