Does anyone here on The Hide have experience with building on the Badger Ordnance M2008 action? I'm considering it for a .308 build. Thanks for your help.
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Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
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Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
What do you want to know about it? I love mine. Mine is in a KMW Sentinel stock. Mine is a .308. I'm planning on using one of there magnum actions for my next build.
What do you want to know about it? I love mine. Mine is in a KMW Sentinel stock. Mine is a .308. I'm planning on using one of there magnum actions for my next build.
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I really like mine too. Mine is dead nutz accurate. GAP put it together. The shorter throw is fast to cycle, and the machining is impeccable. They are built like a brick shithouse, and you pay for that in the weight of the action, 3 pounds alone in the SA platform.
One word of warning, and its the same that comes with BATs, Surgeons, and all the other high end ultra precision actions. They are tight. Tolerances are really held to a whole new level. I have not had mine in less than ideal conditions yet, but I highly suspect it would have issues handling large particles ie... sand.
I have heard that fluting the bolt alleviates some of the issues and lowers the bearing surface while at the same time allows a channel for grit to get out as opposed to binding up the action.
If you are looking for a precise 3 lug, short throw, tactical action you'd have a hard time beating it. Just be aware that they are tight. At least mine is!
I really like mine too. Mine is dead nutz accurate. GAP put it together. The shorter throw is fast to cycle, and the machining is impeccable. They are built like a brick shithouse, and you pay for that in the weight of the action, 3 pounds alone in the SA platform.
One word of warning, and its the same that comes with BATs, Surgeons, and all the other high end ultra precision actions. They are tight. Tolerances are really held to a whole new level. I have not had mine in less than ideal conditions yet, but I highly suspect it would have issues handling large particles ie... sand.
I have heard that fluting the bolt alleviates some of the issues and lowers the bearing surface while at the same time allows a channel for grit to get out as opposed to binding up the action.
If you are looking for a precise 3 lug, short throw, tactical action you'd have a hard time beating it. Just be aware that they are tight. At least mine is!
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
Never had one, but did get to handle it. It was awesome built and smooth, except for the bolt lift, which was a bit stiff
Never had one, but did get to handle it. It was awesome built and smooth, except for the bolt lift, which was a bit stiff
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
I have three. One in 308, 7MM08 and 6.5CM.
All are in AICS chassis and all shoot great. Two built by GAP and one by APA. The 7MM08 may be the most accurate gun I own.
I have three. One in 308, 7MM08 and 6.5CM.
All are in AICS chassis and all shoot great. Two built by GAP and one by APA. The 7MM08 may be the most accurate gun I own.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
How do these actions compare to the Accuracy International actions?
How do these actions compare to the Accuracy International actions?
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
It's a good action, built like a tank, do NOT coat the bolt, mine was coated and it was horrible, you either had to run it wet or it gummed things up in a hurry.
Bolt lift is HEAVY now that they addressed some of the issues in the first generation. You also have to watch which generation you get for barrel tolerances etc. as things changed from generation to generation if I remember right.
I'd take an AI action in a heartbeat over a M2008, but since I don't think you can buy just an AI action and the total gun cost is ridiculous the M2008 is about as close as you can get at half the price.
It's a good action, built like a tank, do NOT coat the bolt, mine was coated and it was horrible, you either had to run it wet or it gummed things up in a hurry.
Bolt lift is HEAVY now that they addressed some of the issues in the first generation. You also have to watch which generation you get for barrel tolerances etc. as things changed from generation to generation if I remember right.
I'd take an AI action in a heartbeat over a M2008, but since I don't think you can buy just an AI action and the total gun cost is ridiculous the M2008 is about as close as you can get at half the price.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
Any Idea what changes were made between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 M2008 Action. If Gen 1 Bolt is sent back to Badger for updates to Gen 2 will it affect anything on an already complete rifle? I apologize if I should have started a new thread to ask this question? Thanks.
Any Idea what changes were made between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 M2008 Action. If Gen 1 Bolt is sent back to Badger for updates to Gen 2 will it affect anything on an already complete rifle? I apologize if I should have started a new thread to ask this question? Thanks.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
I want one of these action in a sentinel chambered in 6.5Lr so bad it's unreal. And in a year or 2 i'll probably be able to. But i've read nothing but good things.
I want one of these action in a sentinel chambered in 6.5Lr so bad it's unreal. And in a year or 2 i'll probably be able to. But i've read nothing but good things.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
Mine is in an XLR chassis and I couldn't be happier. Would certainly own another, and will my first choice for my next build.
-Chris
Mine is in an XLR chassis and I couldn't be happier. Would certainly own another, and will my first choice for my next build.
-Chris
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A gen 1 action can be updated but not totally to Gen II. The big change between G I and G II is a longer barrel tenon on GII. Barrels chambered for GI will not fit GII actions. There were some other updates to the firing pin assembly. That is all I am aware of. IF you want something that is really slick and smooth the Defiance may be the better way to go.
Still, I don't have any issue with the Badger. Marty at Badger has always been quick to answer any questions I've had and will update the GI action (as possible) free of charge.BTW, I bought ToddM's Badger 308. It's the one that I have won a lot with.
A gen 1 action can be updated but not totally to Gen II. The big change between G I and G II is a longer barrel tenon on GII. Barrels chambered for GI will not fit GII actions. There were some other updates to the firing pin assembly. That is all I am aware of. IF you want something that is really slick and smooth the Defiance may be the better way to go.
Still, I don't have any issue with the Badger. Marty at Badger has always been quick to answer any questions I've had and will update the GI action (as possible) free of charge.BTW, I bought ToddM's Badger 308. It's the one that I have won a lot with.
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I love mine, have two.
I don't really get the heavy bolt lift complaint. I don't notice it, and either way, its just because of the 60 degree bolt throw, and no one complains about the TRG or AI bolts being heavy.
I love mine, have two.
I don't really get the heavy bolt lift complaint. I don't notice it, and either way, its just because of the 60 degree bolt throw, and no one complains about the TRG or AI bolts being heavy.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
As far as I know (unless additional updates were needed/added after Marty did mine) the firing pin/bolt updates do not affect anything in that you can have the updates done and no other work/changes to the rifle/action need to be done. When Marty did mine all I had to send in was the bolt/firing pin assembly.
Again it's been a long time but I believe they put a heavier firing pin spring in (some of the first run evidently had out of spec springs that were too light/short), and I *think* they added some more "throw" to it, as some users were seeing light primer strikes.
Shoots4fun: Glad to hear that guy is getting used and performing, it was a shooter that's for sure, a lot of days I still miss that rifle.
As far as I know (unless additional updates were needed/added after Marty did mine) the firing pin/bolt updates do not affect anything in that you can have the updates done and no other work/changes to the rifle/action need to be done. When Marty did mine all I had to send in was the bolt/firing pin assembly.
Again it's been a long time but I believe they put a heavier firing pin spring in (some of the first run evidently had out of spec springs that were too light/short), and I *think* they added some more "throw" to it, as some users were seeing light primer strikes.
Shoots4fun: Glad to hear that guy is getting used and performing, it was a shooter that's for sure, a lot of days I still miss that rifle.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ToddM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's a good action, built like a tank, do NOT coat the bolt, mine was coated and it was horrible, you either had to run it wet or it gummed things up in a hurry.
Bolt lift is HEAVY now that they addressed some of the issues in the first generation. You also have to watch which generation you get for barrel tolerances etc. as things changed from generation to generation if I remember right.
I'd take an AI action in a heartbeat over a M2008, but since I don't think you can buy just an AI action and the total gun cost is ridiculous the M2008 is about as close as you can get at half the price. </div></div>
Well, I think you hit the nail on the head.
I had my bolt Cerakoted and after only a couple hundred rounds is already showing substantial wear. I have to keep it well lubricated, but on the flip side, it feels like it is on ball bearings. Thus the reason I think it would struggle in a dirty environment. But that is pure speculation, and I have nothing but my limited experience with the M2008 to quantify that.
As far as the bolt lift, yes its heavier than a 700, but its no heavier than my Bat 3L which has a ball bearing cocking piece.
The AI action is not nearly as tight. The AEs are actually cheaper than what I have in my M2008, and I recently made a comment that I would have rather gone that way than the M2008. But that hindsight is 20/20 and even then the AE has things I don't like about it (ie the scope rail).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ogonzalez13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any Idea what changes were made between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 M2008 Action. If Gen 1 Bolt is sent back to Badger for updates to Gen 2 will it affect anything on an already complete rifle? I apologize if I should have started a new thread to ask this question? Thanks. </div></div>
I recently went through this with Marty when assembling a Gen I.
There are several differences.
First, the things that can be converted from Gen I to Gen II. There are only two things to my knowledge, the firing pin spring and the <span style="text-decoration: line-through">sear</span> cocking piece. The Gen II uses a heavier spring and different <span style="text-decoration: line-through">sear</span> cocking piece, both of which can be put into a Gen I.
Now the things that cannot be converted. First, the bolt release. The bolt release on the Gen II is different than the Gen I and cannot be interchanged. Second, the tenon. The Gen II has a .002 longer tenon (if I remember that measurement correctly-Marty explained it over the phone and I didn't write it down). The tenon is just long enough to make it so that barrels are not interchangeable, but not long enough to affect the inlet. The inlet for the Gen I and II are the same.
Basically, they are very close to identical, but there are minute differences.
If I've missed anything, anyone feel free to correct me. I'm going off a phone conversation I had with him back in Dec of 10.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ToddM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's a good action, built like a tank, do NOT coat the bolt, mine was coated and it was horrible, you either had to run it wet or it gummed things up in a hurry.
Bolt lift is HEAVY now that they addressed some of the issues in the first generation. You also have to watch which generation you get for barrel tolerances etc. as things changed from generation to generation if I remember right.
I'd take an AI action in a heartbeat over a M2008, but since I don't think you can buy just an AI action and the total gun cost is ridiculous the M2008 is about as close as you can get at half the price. </div></div>
Well, I think you hit the nail on the head.
I had my bolt Cerakoted and after only a couple hundred rounds is already showing substantial wear. I have to keep it well lubricated, but on the flip side, it feels like it is on ball bearings. Thus the reason I think it would struggle in a dirty environment. But that is pure speculation, and I have nothing but my limited experience with the M2008 to quantify that.
As far as the bolt lift, yes its heavier than a 700, but its no heavier than my Bat 3L which has a ball bearing cocking piece.
The AI action is not nearly as tight. The AEs are actually cheaper than what I have in my M2008, and I recently made a comment that I would have rather gone that way than the M2008. But that hindsight is 20/20 and even then the AE has things I don't like about it (ie the scope rail).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ogonzalez13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any Idea what changes were made between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 M2008 Action. If Gen 1 Bolt is sent back to Badger for updates to Gen 2 will it affect anything on an already complete rifle? I apologize if I should have started a new thread to ask this question? Thanks. </div></div>
I recently went through this with Marty when assembling a Gen I.
There are several differences.
First, the things that can be converted from Gen I to Gen II. There are only two things to my knowledge, the firing pin spring and the <span style="text-decoration: line-through">sear</span> cocking piece. The Gen II uses a heavier spring and different <span style="text-decoration: line-through">sear</span> cocking piece, both of which can be put into a Gen I.
Now the things that cannot be converted. First, the bolt release. The bolt release on the Gen II is different than the Gen I and cannot be interchanged. Second, the tenon. The Gen II has a .002 longer tenon (if I remember that measurement correctly-Marty explained it over the phone and I didn't write it down). The tenon is just long enough to make it so that barrels are not interchangeable, but not long enough to affect the inlet. The inlet for the Gen I and II are the same.
Basically, they are very close to identical, but there are minute differences.
If I've missed anything, anyone feel free to correct me. I'm going off a phone conversation I had with him back in Dec of 10.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
Straight from an email from Marty @ Badger:
Hi,
<span style="color: #FF0000">Generation 2 receivers start at S/N 101,
the Tenon was made longer
headspace was changed slightly
Bolt stop was changed to the long action version on all receivers
cocking piece notch in the bolt was changed to the Long action version for continuity
Hope this helps
Marty</span>
The sear is part of what ever trigger you install. I think the poster means the cocking piece and not the sear. There is about .004" difference in the Gen I and Gen II cocking piece.
Straight from an email from Marty @ Badger:
Hi,
<span style="color: #FF0000">Generation 2 receivers start at S/N 101,
the Tenon was made longer
headspace was changed slightly
Bolt stop was changed to the long action version on all receivers
cocking piece notch in the bolt was changed to the Long action version for continuity
Hope this helps
Marty</span>
The sear is part of what ever trigger you install. I think the poster means the cocking piece and not the sear. There is about .004" difference in the Gen I and Gen II cocking piece.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
I had nothing but problems with mine. The rifle was built by Patriot Arms and the AICS 2.0 stock was bought from GAP and inletted by marty then sent to Patriot for the build.
Half of the ammo wouldn't fire, I was having very light primer strikes. Marty told me to try adjusting the firing pin so I adjusted it all over the place and just made it worse. He sent me a new spring and it didn't help it at all. I also couldn't get the action to feed worth a damn with AICS or AW mags. 3 out of 5 rounds in the 5 round AICS mags would jam the bullets into the lugs inside the action or the bolt would jump right over the rim. With 10 round AICS mags it was even worse. After having the mag latch modded for AW mags I tried them and it was the same deal.
A friend of mine with one built on a MCM A5 experienced the same problems. Both of ours were GENI actions if that makes a difference.
Either way I sold mine, picked up a AI that I wanted from the beginning and still had money left over. The AI has been absolutely flawless. It feeds like butter, and has only ever had one malfunction. From time to time shooting it with one particular magazine the bolt would jump the rim of the second round. I ran the malfunction by Stacey at AINA, he had me bring the rifle by and he checked it out and after thoroughly inspecting the mag with me right there blamed it on the mag and said he doesn't like how the sides were bending when he put pressure to it saying the metal on that particular mag felt weak and handed me a new one right there on the spot.
Buy a AI AE. It costs less than a custom M2008 build will, it shoots just as good, and theres no way anything that uses a R700 style trigger is going to be as reliable as a AI even if you do get one that doesn't have feeding or firing issues.
I had nothing but problems with mine. The rifle was built by Patriot Arms and the AICS 2.0 stock was bought from GAP and inletted by marty then sent to Patriot for the build.
Half of the ammo wouldn't fire, I was having very light primer strikes. Marty told me to try adjusting the firing pin so I adjusted it all over the place and just made it worse. He sent me a new spring and it didn't help it at all. I also couldn't get the action to feed worth a damn with AICS or AW mags. 3 out of 5 rounds in the 5 round AICS mags would jam the bullets into the lugs inside the action or the bolt would jump right over the rim. With 10 round AICS mags it was even worse. After having the mag latch modded for AW mags I tried them and it was the same deal.
A friend of mine with one built on a MCM A5 experienced the same problems. Both of ours were GENI actions if that makes a difference.
Either way I sold mine, picked up a AI that I wanted from the beginning and still had money left over. The AI has been absolutely flawless. It feeds like butter, and has only ever had one malfunction. From time to time shooting it with one particular magazine the bolt would jump the rim of the second round. I ran the malfunction by Stacey at AINA, he had me bring the rifle by and he checked it out and after thoroughly inspecting the mag with me right there blamed it on the mag and said he doesn't like how the sides were bending when he put pressure to it saying the metal on that particular mag felt weak and handed me a new one right there on the spot.
Buy a AI AE. It costs less than a custom M2008 build will, it shoots just as good, and theres no way anything that uses a R700 style trigger is going to be as reliable as a AI even if you do get one that doesn't have feeding or firing issues.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had nothing but problems with mine.
Either way I sold mine</div></div>
Awesome to know. I'll be sure to never buy shit from you....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had nothing but problems with mine.
Either way I sold mine</div></div>
Awesome to know. I'll be sure to never buy shit from you....
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Sorry it appears you got a bad one.
Does one bad apple ruin the whole barrel?
If that was the case all these 1/2 MOA R700s would not exist because I have surely had my fill of bad ones.
None of my three Badger GenI have experienced any of the problems above. All feed flawlessly from AICS or AW mags. And one of those is a very low SN. Also one built by APA.
Sorry it appears you got a bad one.
Does one bad apple ruin the whole barrel?
If that was the case all these 1/2 MOA R700s would not exist because I have surely had my fill of bad ones.
None of my three Badger GenI have experienced any of the problems above. All feed flawlessly from AICS or AW mags. And one of those is a very low SN. Also one built by APA.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had nothing but problems with mine.
Either way I sold mine</div></div>
Awesome to know. I'll be sure to never buy shit from you.... </div></div>
I put the problems in the add and made the buyer perfectly aware the problems that I experienced and even offered him a 3 day return period. He never contacted me about a return, only about how accurate it shot.
I've never falsely advertised anything I've sold and I take offense to you accusing me of that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had nothing but problems with mine.
Either way I sold mine</div></div>
Awesome to know. I'll be sure to never buy shit from you.... </div></div>
I put the problems in the add and made the buyer perfectly aware the problems that I experienced and even offered him a 3 day return period. He never contacted me about a return, only about how accurate it shot.
I've never falsely advertised anything I've sold and I take offense to you accusing me of that.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry it appears you got a bad one.
Does one bad apple ruin the whole barrel?
If that was the case all these 1/2 MOA R700s would not exist because I have surely had my fill of bad ones.
None of my three Badger GenI have experienced any of the problems above. All feed flawlessly from AICS or AW mags. And one of those is a very low SN. Also one built by APA. </div></div>
There were two just between me and my buddy alone just from the initial run of 25 or so M2008's. When I contacted Marty he said "these are problems other's have reported too and we're trying to get it fixed". It's not just one bad apple. Whether or not the GENII's are fixed I don't know, from the sound of the changes it seems like they might have fixed the fail to fire issue. Either way I still wouldn't take a gamble on the new one because another issue I had was due to the tight tolerances the bolt would easily bind if you run I ran it fast. Jered told me about the tight tolerances before I even bought the action so I had him blue the inside of the action and the bolt per Marty's advise to help it run better.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry it appears you got a bad one.
Does one bad apple ruin the whole barrel?
If that was the case all these 1/2 MOA R700s would not exist because I have surely had my fill of bad ones.
None of my three Badger GenI have experienced any of the problems above. All feed flawlessly from AICS or AW mags. And one of those is a very low SN. Also one built by APA. </div></div>
There were two just between me and my buddy alone just from the initial run of 25 or so M2008's. When I contacted Marty he said "these are problems other's have reported too and we're trying to get it fixed". It's not just one bad apple. Whether or not the GENII's are fixed I don't know, from the sound of the changes it seems like they might have fixed the fail to fire issue. Either way I still wouldn't take a gamble on the new one because another issue I had was due to the tight tolerances the bolt would easily bind if you run I ran it fast. Jered told me about the tight tolerances before I even bought the action so I had him blue the inside of the action and the bolt per Marty's advise to help it run better.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry it appears you got a bad one.
Does one bad apple ruin the whole barrel?
If that was the case all these 1/2 MOA R700s would not exist because I have surely had my fill of bad ones.
None of my three Badger GenI have experienced any of the problems above. All feed flawlessly from AICS or AW mags. And one of those is a very low SN. Also one built by APA. </div></div>
There were two just between me and my buddy alone just from the initial run of 25 or so M2008's. When I contacted Marty he said "these are problems other's have reported too and we're trying to get it fixed". It's not just one bad apple. Whether or not the GENII's are fixed I don't know, from the sound of the changes it seems like they might have fixed the fail to fire issue. Either way I still wouldn't take a gamble on the new one because another issue I had was due to the tight tolerances the bolt would easily bind if you run I ran it fast. Jered told me about the tight tolerances before I even bought the action so I had him blue the inside of the action and the bolt per Marty's advise to help it run better. </div></div>
Sounds more like an issue you should have taken up with whoever built the rifle, rather than who made the parts. I have a very early M2008 and it has run flawless, as have my other Gen 2 receivers. The issue with the Gen 1 receivers was there wasn't enough room for the firing pin to move to be 100% reliable. I believe it was done that way in an attempt to keep the bolt lift as light as possible. That issue was fixed in the Gen 2 receivers, and all Gen 1 receivers were offered a free retrofit to alleviate this issue. As far as feeding issues, that's more on the gun plumber, rather than the maker of the action.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry it appears you got a bad one.
Does one bad apple ruin the whole barrel?
If that was the case all these 1/2 MOA R700s would not exist because I have surely had my fill of bad ones.
None of my three Badger GenI have experienced any of the problems above. All feed flawlessly from AICS or AW mags. And one of those is a very low SN. Also one built by APA. </div></div>
There were two just between me and my buddy alone just from the initial run of 25 or so M2008's. When I contacted Marty he said "these are problems other's have reported too and we're trying to get it fixed". It's not just one bad apple. Whether or not the GENII's are fixed I don't know, from the sound of the changes it seems like they might have fixed the fail to fire issue. Either way I still wouldn't take a gamble on the new one because another issue I had was due to the tight tolerances the bolt would easily bind if you run I ran it fast. Jered told me about the tight tolerances before I even bought the action so I had him blue the inside of the action and the bolt per Marty's advise to help it run better. </div></div>
Sounds more like an issue you should have taken up with whoever built the rifle, rather than who made the parts. I have a very early M2008 and it has run flawless, as have my other Gen 2 receivers. The issue with the Gen 1 receivers was there wasn't enough room for the firing pin to move to be 100% reliable. I believe it was done that way in an attempt to keep the bolt lift as light as possible. That issue was fixed in the Gen 2 receivers, and all Gen 1 receivers were offered a free retrofit to alleviate this issue. As far as feeding issues, that's more on the gun plumber, rather than the maker of the action.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sounds more like an issue you should have taken up with whoever built the rifle, rather than who made the parts. I have a very early M2008 and it has run flawless, as have my other Gen 2 receivers. The issue with the Gen 1 receivers was there wasn't enough room for the firing pin to move to be 100% reliable. I believe it was done that way in an attempt to keep the bolt lift as light as possible. That issue was fixed in the Gen 2 receivers, and all Gen 1 receivers were offered a free retrofit to alleviate this issue. As far as feeding issues, that's more on the gun plumber, rather than the maker of the action. </div></div>
The same guy that made the action inletted the stock. All Patriot Arms did was thread and chamber the barrel and Duracoat the inside of the barreled action with the exception of the bolt body and inside of the action which they blued then bolt it into the chassis. I see no way Patriot arms could have screwed up the feeding or caused light primer strikes from the work they did.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sounds more like an issue you should have taken up with whoever built the rifle, rather than who made the parts. I have a very early M2008 and it has run flawless, as have my other Gen 2 receivers. The issue with the Gen 1 receivers was there wasn't enough room for the firing pin to move to be 100% reliable. I believe it was done that way in an attempt to keep the bolt lift as light as possible. That issue was fixed in the Gen 2 receivers, and all Gen 1 receivers were offered a free retrofit to alleviate this issue. As far as feeding issues, that's more on the gun plumber, rather than the maker of the action. </div></div>
The same guy that made the action inletted the stock. All Patriot Arms did was thread and chamber the barrel and Duracoat the inside of the barreled action with the exception of the bolt body and inside of the action which they blued then bolt it into the chassis. I see no way Patriot arms could have screwed up the feeding or caused light primer strikes from the work they did.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
If you just chuck the bolt up in the lathe and remove a few thousandths it will help thing alot. I have done this to a few I have and am doing it on the latest one being built. They are great actions and work really well.
As far as the comment about just buying an AE because it better than the Badger is bullshit. Mine did the same thing I sent it to Marty he made it right and that was a few thousand rounds ago without any issues since.
The bolt lift will get better over time. Mine are very easy to manipulate and they run very fast. with the cost of AX rifles now I am pretty much done with AI rifles but will continue to buy chasis's, mags and accessories as they are the best there is.
Rich
If you just chuck the bolt up in the lathe and remove a few thousandths it will help thing alot. I have done this to a few I have and am doing it on the latest one being built. They are great actions and work really well.
As far as the comment about just buying an AE because it better than the Badger is bullshit. Mine did the same thing I sent it to Marty he made it right and that was a few thousand rounds ago without any issues since.
The bolt lift will get better over time. Mine are very easy to manipulate and they run very fast. with the cost of AX rifles now I am pretty much done with AI rifles but will continue to buy chasis's, mags and accessories as they are the best there is.
Rich
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSG3K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you just chuck the bolt up in the lathe and remove a few thousandths it will help thing alot. I have done this to a few I have and am doing it on the latest one being built. They are great actions and work really well.
<span style="font-weight: bold">As far as the comment about just buying an AE because it better than the Badger is bullshit. Mine did the same thing I sent it to Marty he made it right and that was a few thousand rounds ago without any issues since.</span>
The bolt lift will get better over time. Mine are very easy to manipulate and they run very fast. with the cost of AX rifles now I am pretty much done with AI rifles but will continue to buy chasis's, mags and accessories as they are the best there is.
Rich </div></div>
You just contradicted yourself like crazy. The AI isn't better than the M2008 but yet the M2008 had to go back to get fixed? When have you ever heard of a AI having a problem like that? They're perfect when they leave the factory including the bolt lift which won't need to "get better over time". When I was at AINA in Fredericksburg I didn't see one rifle in the place that looked like it could have been there to be worked on, they were all brand new rifles that were being assembled to go out to dealers. I'm sure one goes in from time to time for a problem, Stacey showed me a busted bolt face from a rifle that a gunsmith had opened up and modified but the rifle wasn't there. I'm not saying a AI will never have a problem but it is extremely rare, I'd bet money they have a lower return rate then Nightforce which is saying a lot.
The cost of their newest rifle isn't a very good reason to dislike a company's rifles that makes the most reliable rifles out there. The AX is $7500, so what? a AW or AWSM folder is going to run you $6000-7000 by time you get the picatinny rail. Your only paying another $500-1500 to get the newest rifle with a full rail, and some other stuff and the 338 model being a double stack 10 round. Just like any long range rifle or kit for one you pay for what you get and you have to decide if what you get is worth the money... TO YOU. To me it's worth the price, but overall the added features aren't worth it to me because the AE and AW's do everything myself and everybody else could ask. Would I sell another AI and dislike their rifles because their new rifle is out of my price range? Hell no. Look at the cost of their AW50 that's been out for a number of years, or the AS50. You could buy 2 AX's for what a AW50 costs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSG3K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you just chuck the bolt up in the lathe and remove a few thousandths it will help thing alot. I have done this to a few I have and am doing it on the latest one being built. They are great actions and work really well.
<span style="font-weight: bold">As far as the comment about just buying an AE because it better than the Badger is bullshit. Mine did the same thing I sent it to Marty he made it right and that was a few thousand rounds ago without any issues since.</span>
The bolt lift will get better over time. Mine are very easy to manipulate and they run very fast. with the cost of AX rifles now I am pretty much done with AI rifles but will continue to buy chasis's, mags and accessories as they are the best there is.
Rich </div></div>
You just contradicted yourself like crazy. The AI isn't better than the M2008 but yet the M2008 had to go back to get fixed? When have you ever heard of a AI having a problem like that? They're perfect when they leave the factory including the bolt lift which won't need to "get better over time". When I was at AINA in Fredericksburg I didn't see one rifle in the place that looked like it could have been there to be worked on, they were all brand new rifles that were being assembled to go out to dealers. I'm sure one goes in from time to time for a problem, Stacey showed me a busted bolt face from a rifle that a gunsmith had opened up and modified but the rifle wasn't there. I'm not saying a AI will never have a problem but it is extremely rare, I'd bet money they have a lower return rate then Nightforce which is saying a lot.
The cost of their newest rifle isn't a very good reason to dislike a company's rifles that makes the most reliable rifles out there. The AX is $7500, so what? a AW or AWSM folder is going to run you $6000-7000 by time you get the picatinny rail. Your only paying another $500-1500 to get the newest rifle with a full rail, and some other stuff and the 338 model being a double stack 10 round. Just like any long range rifle or kit for one you pay for what you get and you have to decide if what you get is worth the money... TO YOU. To me it's worth the price, but overall the added features aren't worth it to me because the AE and AW's do everything myself and everybody else could ask. Would I sell another AI and dislike their rifles because their new rifle is out of my price range? Hell no. Look at the cost of their AW50 that's been out for a number of years, or the AS50. You could buy 2 AX's for what a AW50 costs.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
Well to be quite honest I have a few AW rifles and and they are pretty good but the few M2008 rifles I have are in my mind just as good and they are more accurate than my AW's. I use my rifles for shooting comps on this site and they serve me quite well. I can also say that a few people at these matches came over to look at my setup and made their mind up to use the M2008. What have you contributed to this thread other than saying the Badger action is shit and go buy an AE. If you had anything you would just buy an AW and be done with it but you cheaped out and bought the AE. And dont give me that bullshit that I dont need a full blown military grade weapon because everybody knows that if you got the coin you are runnin with an AW and not some 2nd rate Ae.
I can afford to buy any rifle from any manufacturer. But cmon 7500 for a gun without the rest of the kit??? Maybee Im just getting older but when guns get past 10K thats enough. I have quite a few 10K rigs and wont go down that path anymore.
Maybee you should bring your AE to one of the matches on this site and Ill run my junk Badger gun. Im sure you will kick my ass all over the range.
Rich
Well to be quite honest I have a few AW rifles and and they are pretty good but the few M2008 rifles I have are in my mind just as good and they are more accurate than my AW's. I use my rifles for shooting comps on this site and they serve me quite well. I can also say that a few people at these matches came over to look at my setup and made their mind up to use the M2008. What have you contributed to this thread other than saying the Badger action is shit and go buy an AE. If you had anything you would just buy an AW and be done with it but you cheaped out and bought the AE. And dont give me that bullshit that I dont need a full blown military grade weapon because everybody knows that if you got the coin you are runnin with an AW and not some 2nd rate Ae.
I can afford to buy any rifle from any manufacturer. But cmon 7500 for a gun without the rest of the kit??? Maybee Im just getting older but when guns get past 10K thats enough. I have quite a few 10K rigs and wont go down that path anymore.
Maybee you should bring your AE to one of the matches on this site and Ill run my junk Badger gun. Im sure you will kick my ass all over the range.
Rich
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
I had a SH Valkyrie with the Badger Gen I action. It was super accurate and ran just fine for me. I did have the bolt upgraded for free by Badger since Marty posted on here recommending to have that done. Personally, I would not hesitate to have a new custom rifle built on the Badger action.
I had a SH Valkyrie with the Badger Gen I action. It was super accurate and ran just fine for me. I did have the bolt upgraded for free by Badger since Marty posted on here recommending to have that done. Personally, I would not hesitate to have a new custom rifle built on the Badger action.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
I have a Gen2 chambered for 6.5x47 Lapua on a AICS setup for AW mags and I have had zero problems in about 1k rounds.
-pd
I have a Gen2 chambered for 6.5x47 Lapua on a AICS setup for AW mags and I have had zero problems in about 1k rounds.
-pd
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sounds more like an issue you should have taken up with whoever built the rifle, rather than who made the parts. I have a very early M2008 and it has run flawless, as have my other Gen 2 receivers. The issue with the Gen 1 receivers was there wasn't enough room for the firing pin to move to be 100% reliable. I believe it was done that way in an attempt to keep the bolt lift as light as possible. That issue was fixed in the Gen 2 receivers, and all Gen 1 receivers were offered a free retrofit to alleviate this issue. As far as feeding issues, that's more on the gun plumber, rather than the maker of the action. </div></div>
The same guy that made the action inletted the stock. All Patriot Arms did was thread and chamber the barrel and Duracoat the inside of the barreled action with the exception of the bolt body and inside of the action which they blued then bolt it into the chassis. I see no way Patriot arms could have screwed up the feeding or caused light primer strikes from the work they did. </div></div>
Seeing as you're convinced this was some issue with the receiver itself, or the inletting of the stock, did you drop the reveiver in the stock immediately after it was inletted yourself, or was it sent out to have work done on it before you had it in your hand? You're making statements that don't add up here. It would be a whole different ballgame if Marty had put the gun together, but that's obviously not the case.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sounds more like an issue you should have taken up with whoever built the rifle, rather than who made the parts. I have a very early M2008 and it has run flawless, as have my other Gen 2 receivers. The issue with the Gen 1 receivers was there wasn't enough room for the firing pin to move to be 100% reliable. I believe it was done that way in an attempt to keep the bolt lift as light as possible. That issue was fixed in the Gen 2 receivers, and all Gen 1 receivers were offered a free retrofit to alleviate this issue. As far as feeding issues, that's more on the gun plumber, rather than the maker of the action. </div></div>
The same guy that made the action inletted the stock. All Patriot Arms did was thread and chamber the barrel and Duracoat the inside of the barreled action with the exception of the bolt body and inside of the action which they blued then bolt it into the chassis. I see no way Patriot arms could have screwed up the feeding or caused light primer strikes from the work they did. </div></div>
Seeing as you're convinced this was some issue with the receiver itself, or the inletting of the stock, did you drop the reveiver in the stock immediately after it was inletted yourself, or was it sent out to have work done on it before you had it in your hand? You're making statements that don't add up here. It would be a whole different ballgame if Marty had put the gun together, but that's obviously not the case.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
My Gen 2 has been flawless so far. As for the hard bolt lift, it does get easier over time. Mine did at least. Or you can get a reduced power spring (rem 700). But I think that was one of the issues people were having on the first gens.
My Gen 2 has been flawless so far. As for the hard bolt lift, it does get easier over time. Mine did at least. Or you can get a reduced power spring (rem 700). But I think that was one of the issues people were having on the first gens.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSG3K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well to be quite honest I have a few AW rifles and and they are pretty good but the few M2008 rifles I have are in my mind just as good and they are more accurate than my AW's. I use my rifles for shooting comps on this site and they serve me quite well. I can also say that a few people at these matches came over to look at my setup and made their mind up to use the M2008. What have you contributed to this thread other than saying the Badger action is shit and go buy an AE. If you had anything you would just buy an AW and be done with it but you cheaped out and bought the AE. And dont give me that bullshit that I dont need a full blown military grade weapon because everybody knows that if you got the coin you are runnin with an AW and not some 2nd rate Ae.
I can afford to buy any rifle from any manufacturer. But cmon 7500 for a gun without the rest of the kit??? Maybee Im just getting older but when guns get past 10K thats enough. I have quite a few 10K rigs and wont go down that path anymore.
Maybee you should bring your AE to one of the matches on this site and Ill run my junk Badger gun. Im sure you will kick my ass all over the range.
Rich </div></div>
There's no denying that a rifle with a custom tube is going to outshoot a factory AI, but when you screw a custom barrel on the AI... guess what?
If I had anything I would buy an AW? What is that supposed to mean? I had a AWSM that I sold because I rarely shot because the 308 does everything I need. I certainly didn't "cheap out" I decided that a 3 position safety and a action glued in the stock wasn't worth another $3000 to me and put it in other stuff for the rifle. The AE has the same bolt, trigger, and barrel. The action is merely a different shape and not glued to the chassis and the AW has a safety that also locks the bolt down.
I don't need a full blown military rifle but I got one with the AE. The only difference between the AE and AW's from a reliability standpoint is the action being glued in the stock and being flat bottom. The bolt flutes present on the "Artic Warfare" making it being able to perform in artic conditions are one the AE because its the same exact bolt, and it has the same trigger that also makes it ultra reliable. A AE is still more reliable than just about every other military grade long range rifle and if you fail to see that your just ignorant. If I had unlimited funds of course I'd buy AW's just because I have a ton of money to blow but the reality is I don't, hell I'd have every rifle in the AI lineup if I had that money. It took me a long time to save the cash for the AWSM that when I got I put less than 400 rounds through and decided I don't need a 338LM.
If your Mr.Rich whats the problem with a rifle that costs less than 20% more? It's $7500, NOT $10K for a AX. According to you I'm just a poor guy because I got the measly AE but have $8K in the rifle, optics, and suppressor. Whats the problem?
1:35-2:30...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S72ehttwFxw
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Seeing as you're convinced this was some issue with the receiver itself, or the inletting of the stock, did you drop the reveiver in the stock immediately after it was inletted yourself, or was it sent out to have work done on it before you had it in your hand? You're making statements that don't add up here. It would be a whole different ballgame if Marty had put the gun together, but that's obviously not the case. </div></div>
Everything was shippied directly from Badger to Patriot Arms.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The same guy that made the action inletted the stock. All Patriot Arms did was thread and chamber the barrel and Duracoat the inside of the barreled action with the exception of the bolt body and inside of the action which they blued then bolt it into the chassis. I see no way Patriot arms could have screwed up the feeding or caused light primer strikes from the work they did. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSG3K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well to be quite honest I have a few AW rifles and and they are pretty good but the few M2008 rifles I have are in my mind just as good and they are more accurate than my AW's. I use my rifles for shooting comps on this site and they serve me quite well. I can also say that a few people at these matches came over to look at my setup and made their mind up to use the M2008. What have you contributed to this thread other than saying the Badger action is shit and go buy an AE. If you had anything you would just buy an AW and be done with it but you cheaped out and bought the AE. And dont give me that bullshit that I dont need a full blown military grade weapon because everybody knows that if you got the coin you are runnin with an AW and not some 2nd rate Ae.
I can afford to buy any rifle from any manufacturer. But cmon 7500 for a gun without the rest of the kit??? Maybee Im just getting older but when guns get past 10K thats enough. I have quite a few 10K rigs and wont go down that path anymore.
Maybee you should bring your AE to one of the matches on this site and Ill run my junk Badger gun. Im sure you will kick my ass all over the range.
Rich </div></div>
There's no denying that a rifle with a custom tube is going to outshoot a factory AI, but when you screw a custom barrel on the AI... guess what?
If I had anything I would buy an AW? What is that supposed to mean? I had a AWSM that I sold because I rarely shot because the 308 does everything I need. I certainly didn't "cheap out" I decided that a 3 position safety and a action glued in the stock wasn't worth another $3000 to me and put it in other stuff for the rifle. The AE has the same bolt, trigger, and barrel. The action is merely a different shape and not glued to the chassis and the AW has a safety that also locks the bolt down.
I don't need a full blown military rifle but I got one with the AE. The only difference between the AE and AW's from a reliability standpoint is the action being glued in the stock and being flat bottom. The bolt flutes present on the "Artic Warfare" making it being able to perform in artic conditions are one the AE because its the same exact bolt, and it has the same trigger that also makes it ultra reliable. A AE is still more reliable than just about every other military grade long range rifle and if you fail to see that your just ignorant. If I had unlimited funds of course I'd buy AW's just because I have a ton of money to blow but the reality is I don't, hell I'd have every rifle in the AI lineup if I had that money. It took me a long time to save the cash for the AWSM that when I got I put less than 400 rounds through and decided I don't need a 338LM.
If your Mr.Rich whats the problem with a rifle that costs less than 20% more? It's $7500, NOT $10K for a AX. According to you I'm just a poor guy because I got the measly AE but have $8K in the rifle, optics, and suppressor. Whats the problem?
1:35-2:30...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S72ehttwFxw
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Seeing as you're convinced this was some issue with the receiver itself, or the inletting of the stock, did you drop the reveiver in the stock immediately after it was inletted yourself, or was it sent out to have work done on it before you had it in your hand? You're making statements that don't add up here. It would be a whole different ballgame if Marty had put the gun together, but that's obviously not the case. </div></div>
Everything was shippied directly from Badger to Patriot Arms.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The same guy that made the action inletted the stock. All Patriot Arms did was thread and chamber the barrel and Duracoat the inside of the barreled action with the exception of the bolt body and inside of the action which they blued then bolt it into the chassis. I see no way Patriot arms could have screwed up the feeding or caused light primer strikes from the work they did. </div></div>
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Seeing as you're convinced this was some issue with the receiver itself, or the inletting of the stock, did you drop the reveiver in the stock immediately after it was inletted yourself, or was it sent out to have work done on it before you had it in your hand? You're making statements that don't add up here. It would be a whole different ballgame if Marty had put the gun together, but that's obviously not the case. </div></div>
Everything was shippied directly from Badger to Patriot Arms.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The same guy that made the action inletted the stock. All Patriot Arms did was thread and chamber the barrel and Duracoat the inside of the barreled action with the exception of the bolt body and inside of the action which they blued then bolt it into the chassis. I see no way Patriot arms could have screwed up the feeding or caused light primer strikes from the work they did. </div></div> </div></div>
Nothing here is against APA as Jerrod makes some great rifles and I've seen his handiwork first hand and they shoot. That being said, unless you have a rifle that was built by Badger directly, you still have no beef with them directly and have no basis to say the action has problems because yours didn't feed properly. It's up to the gunsmith that "builds" or assembles the rifle to ensure it funcitons properly. Could it possibly have been the duracoat in the inside of the receiver that caused the feeding problems? I'm sure they had to rough the finish up to get the duracoat to stick, and duracoat isn't the slickest of finishes out there. Maybe that had something to do with your feeding issues. Also, was it set up for AW mags or AICS mags?
As far as the light primer strikes, that's been discussed to the point of ad nauseum, it was a known issue that Marty fixed and offered a free retrofit to all Gen 1 bolts.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Seeing as you're convinced this was some issue with the receiver itself, or the inletting of the stock, did you drop the reveiver in the stock immediately after it was inletted yourself, or was it sent out to have work done on it before you had it in your hand? You're making statements that don't add up here. It would be a whole different ballgame if Marty had put the gun together, but that's obviously not the case. </div></div>
Everything was shippied directly from Badger to Patriot Arms.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The same guy that made the action inletted the stock. All Patriot Arms did was thread and chamber the barrel and Duracoat the inside of the barreled action with the exception of the bolt body and inside of the action which they blued then bolt it into the chassis. I see no way Patriot arms could have screwed up the feeding or caused light primer strikes from the work they did. </div></div> </div></div>
Nothing here is against APA as Jerrod makes some great rifles and I've seen his handiwork first hand and they shoot. That being said, unless you have a rifle that was built by Badger directly, you still have no beef with them directly and have no basis to say the action has problems because yours didn't feed properly. It's up to the gunsmith that "builds" or assembles the rifle to ensure it funcitons properly. Could it possibly have been the duracoat in the inside of the receiver that caused the feeding problems? I'm sure they had to rough the finish up to get the duracoat to stick, and duracoat isn't the slickest of finishes out there. Maybe that had something to do with your feeding issues. Also, was it set up for AW mags or AICS mags?
As far as the light primer strikes, that's been discussed to the point of ad nauseum, it was a known issue that Marty fixed and offered a free retrofit to all Gen 1 bolts.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
Badger machined the two parts that make a rifle feed. All Jered did was install the barrel and paint the thing. The action could be installed on the stock with no barrel and should have no problem feeding. Mine didn't feed correctly, my buddy's didn't feed correctly and since posting in this thread I've had 4 people PM me, one of them that only has issues with the bolt being tight in the action and three that experienced the same exact problems I did. I'm not the only one that's had problems with this action, far from it actually.
The action absolutely was not Duracoated, the inside of the action was blued aswell as the bolt body as I specified. With my OCD if it had not been it would have been right back at PAI, but with Jered's attention to detail there's no way it would have happened anyway. It was first setup for AICS mags and after experiencing the feeding issues I switched to AW mags and had the latch modified which created more feeding problems.
Here is a picture of the blued bolt if you don't believe it was blued and instead mistakenly duracoated. I don't have a pic of the inside of the action but it most certainly was blued too. Besides Duracoat couldn't cause a feeding issue, it could cause it to bind but not bad feeding.
Badger machined the two parts that make a rifle feed. All Jered did was install the barrel and paint the thing. The action could be installed on the stock with no barrel and should have no problem feeding. Mine didn't feed correctly, my buddy's didn't feed correctly and since posting in this thread I've had 4 people PM me, one of them that only has issues with the bolt being tight in the action and three that experienced the same exact problems I did. I'm not the only one that's had problems with this action, far from it actually.
The action absolutely was not Duracoated, the inside of the action was blued aswell as the bolt body as I specified. With my OCD if it had not been it would have been right back at PAI, but with Jered's attention to detail there's no way it would have happened anyway. It was first setup for AICS mags and after experiencing the feeding issues I switched to AW mags and had the latch modified which created more feeding problems.
Here is a picture of the blued bolt if you don't believe it was blued and instead mistakenly duracoated. I don't have a pic of the inside of the action but it most certainly was blued too. Besides Duracoat couldn't cause a feeding issue, it could cause it to bind but not bad feeding.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
When you say "not feeding" can you be more specific?
Who built the other 4 rifles?
What stock?
When you say "not feeding" can you be more specific?
Who built the other 4 rifles?
What stock?
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
You've obviously never felt a brand new AE... The bolt feels like shit, and has to be broken in by racking it a gazillion times. Same with the TRG.
AE's are nice, but drinking the AI kool-aid won't make any mechanical device "perfect"... Not even an AI.
My Gen 1 is butter smooth, and reliable as hell. Then again, Moon at GAP is the only one who ever touched mine. A lot of problems I've seen with the M2008's have coincidentally had multiple smiths mess with them. Maybe it's just a finicky action to build with, I don't know...
You've obviously never felt a brand new AE... The bolt feels like shit, and has to be broken in by racking it a gazillion times. Same with the TRG.
AE's are nice, but drinking the AI kool-aid won't make any mechanical device "perfect"... Not even an AI.
My Gen 1 is butter smooth, and reliable as hell. Then again, Moon at GAP is the only one who ever touched mine. A lot of problems I've seen with the M2008's have coincidentally had multiple smiths mess with them. Maybe it's just a finicky action to build with, I don't know...
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger machined the two parts that make a rifle feed. All Jered did was install the barrel and paint the thing. The action could be installed on the stock with no barrel and should have no problem feeding. Mine didn't feed correctly, my buddy's didn't feed correctly and since posting in this thread I've had 4 people PM me, one of them that only has issues with the bolt being tight in the action and three that experienced the same exact problems I did. I'm not the only one that's had problems with this action, far from it actually.
The action absolutely was not Duracoated, the inside of the action was blued aswell as the bolt body as I specified. With my OCD if it had not been it would have been right back at PAI, but with Jered's attention to detail there's no way it would have happened anyway. It was first setup for AICS mags and after experiencing the feeding issues I switched to AW mags and had the latch modified which created more feeding problems.
Here is a picture of the blued bolt if you don't believe it was blued and instead mistakenly duracoated. I don't have a pic of the inside of the action but it most certainly was blued too. Besides Duracoat couldn't cause a feeding issue, it could cause it to bind but not bad feeding.
</div></div>
YOU'RE the one who said the inside was duracoated, not me... Get your story straight... Again, you're failing to comprehend what I'm saying here, if you had a rifle that was built up by Badger, then by all means you'd have a beef with them directly. The fact that someone else touched the rifle and it didn't function correctly, you should have gone to that smith and had them look into it. There's been PLENTY of rifles built with M2008's and if it was a bad performing receiver we'd be hearing about it a lot more.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger machined the two parts that make a rifle feed. All Jered did was install the barrel and paint the thing. The action could be installed on the stock with no barrel and should have no problem feeding. Mine didn't feed correctly, my buddy's didn't feed correctly and since posting in this thread I've had 4 people PM me, one of them that only has issues with the bolt being tight in the action and three that experienced the same exact problems I did. I'm not the only one that's had problems with this action, far from it actually.
The action absolutely was not Duracoated, the inside of the action was blued aswell as the bolt body as I specified. With my OCD if it had not been it would have been right back at PAI, but with Jered's attention to detail there's no way it would have happened anyway. It was first setup for AICS mags and after experiencing the feeding issues I switched to AW mags and had the latch modified which created more feeding problems.
Here is a picture of the blued bolt if you don't believe it was blued and instead mistakenly duracoated. I don't have a pic of the inside of the action but it most certainly was blued too. Besides Duracoat couldn't cause a feeding issue, it could cause it to bind but not bad feeding.
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YOU'RE the one who said the inside was duracoated, not me... Get your story straight... Again, you're failing to comprehend what I'm saying here, if you had a rifle that was built up by Badger, then by all means you'd have a beef with them directly. The fact that someone else touched the rifle and it didn't function correctly, you should have gone to that smith and had them look into it. There's been PLENTY of rifles built with M2008's and if it was a bad performing receiver we'd be hearing about it a lot more.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
I wouldn't say the Badger was too finicky to work on if I can slap it into a McM A5 with a M5 bottom metal and it will feed from AW mags flawlessly!
I wouldn't say the Badger was too finicky to work on if I can slap it into a McM A5 with a M5 bottom metal and it will feed from AW mags flawlessly!
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marty@Badger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you say "not feeding" can you be more specific?
Who built the other 4 rifles?
What stock? </div></div>
The feeding issues were posted in my initial reply. With the AW mags it was the same deal and at times another round would pop up out of the mag behind it too. I talked to you quite a bit about it in December 2009 after I received the rifle and initially discovered the problems and then again in January 2010 after I switched the firing pin spring out with the one you sent me and about the feeding issues I was still having after switching to AW mags per your suggestion.
My friend's rifle was built by GAP in a MCM A5 stock, I don't know the details on the other 3. I asked the others to post up in here but they don't want to because they know everybody is just going to call them a liar too.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You've obviously never felt a brand new AE... The bolt feels like shit, and has to be broken in by racking it a gazillion times. Same with the TRG.
AE's are nice, but drinking the AI kool-aid won't make any mechanical device "perfect"... Not even an AI.
My Gen 1 is butter smooth, and reliable as hell. Then again, Moon at GAP is the only one who ever touched mine. A lot of problems I've seen with the M2008's have coincidentally had multiple smiths mess with them. Maybe it's just a finicky action to build with, I don't know... </div></div>
BULLSHIT, I bought a brand spanking new AE from Mile High. The bolt was smoother than just about anything out there, and now is like silk. The TRG's are no different, I had a brand new TRG42 aswell, right out of the box it was smooth as glass. You obviously don't know what your talking about. There are plenty of other people on this site that can attest the same thing to the AI and Sako actions.
My friends M2008 was built by GAP too and had the exact same problems as mine.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
YOU'RE the one who said the inside was duracoated, not me... Get your story straight... Again, you're failing to comprehend what I'm saying here, if you had a rifle that was built up by Badger, then by all means you'd have a beef with them directly. The fact that someone else touched the rifle and it didn't function correctly, you should have gone to that smith and had them look into it. There's been PLENTY of rifles built with M2008's and if it was a bad performing receiver we'd be hearing about it a lot more. </div></div>
When did I say the inside was duracoated? I said everything but the inside of the action and bolt body was duracoated and the inside of the action and bolt body were blued. If you don't believe me I have a build sheet that has it spec'd on it.
Your failing to comprehend what I'm saying here. Explain to me how Jered could have caused this issue? The guy that makes the action inletted the stock for christ sake, those are the ONLY two parts that can factor how it feeds. It shouldn't make a damn bit of difference who bolts the action into the chassis. Jered in no way touched anything that could effect the way the rifle feeds. I did contact Jered about the feeding problem and he said "I didn't inlet the stock, call Badger". That's easy enough to verify with a phone call if choose.
What do you have to say about my friends gun that was 100% built by GAP that had the same problems?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marty@Badger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you say "not feeding" can you be more specific?
Who built the other 4 rifles?
What stock? </div></div>
The feeding issues were posted in my initial reply. With the AW mags it was the same deal and at times another round would pop up out of the mag behind it too. I talked to you quite a bit about it in December 2009 after I received the rifle and initially discovered the problems and then again in January 2010 after I switched the firing pin spring out with the one you sent me and about the feeding issues I was still having after switching to AW mags per your suggestion.
My friend's rifle was built by GAP in a MCM A5 stock, I don't know the details on the other 3. I asked the others to post up in here but they don't want to because they know everybody is just going to call them a liar too.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You've obviously never felt a brand new AE... The bolt feels like shit, and has to be broken in by racking it a gazillion times. Same with the TRG.
AE's are nice, but drinking the AI kool-aid won't make any mechanical device "perfect"... Not even an AI.
My Gen 1 is butter smooth, and reliable as hell. Then again, Moon at GAP is the only one who ever touched mine. A lot of problems I've seen with the M2008's have coincidentally had multiple smiths mess with them. Maybe it's just a finicky action to build with, I don't know... </div></div>
BULLSHIT, I bought a brand spanking new AE from Mile High. The bolt was smoother than just about anything out there, and now is like silk. The TRG's are no different, I had a brand new TRG42 aswell, right out of the box it was smooth as glass. You obviously don't know what your talking about. There are plenty of other people on this site that can attest the same thing to the AI and Sako actions.
My friends M2008 was built by GAP too and had the exact same problems as mine.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
YOU'RE the one who said the inside was duracoated, not me... Get your story straight... Again, you're failing to comprehend what I'm saying here, if you had a rifle that was built up by Badger, then by all means you'd have a beef with them directly. The fact that someone else touched the rifle and it didn't function correctly, you should have gone to that smith and had them look into it. There's been PLENTY of rifles built with M2008's and if it was a bad performing receiver we'd be hearing about it a lot more. </div></div>
When did I say the inside was duracoated? I said everything but the inside of the action and bolt body was duracoated and the inside of the action and bolt body were blued. If you don't believe me I have a build sheet that has it spec'd on it.
Your failing to comprehend what I'm saying here. Explain to me how Jered could have caused this issue? The guy that makes the action inletted the stock for christ sake, those are the ONLY two parts that can factor how it feeds. It shouldn't make a damn bit of difference who bolts the action into the chassis. Jered in no way touched anything that could effect the way the rifle feeds. I did contact Jered about the feeding problem and he said "I didn't inlet the stock, call Badger". That's easy enough to verify with a phone call if choose.
What do you have to say about my friends gun that was 100% built by GAP that had the same problems?
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
Ok, I'm obviously talking in big terms here. The receiver, specifically the M2008 Bolt action receiver, is basically a glofified piston that only moves two directions, let's say in and out. Ok, from there, there's a lot of factors that will cause the gun to not function properly. Say, I dunno, how the chamber is cut maybe for starters? When a round is chambered into a bolt action rifle, the round doesn't enter the chamber in a straight path, it comes up from the bottom and the tip and case rub against the bottom of the chamber mouth. If that section isn't smoothed out, you'll have issues. If the magazine isn't at the correct height, you'll have issues. You say the AICS was inletted by Marty, so my guess is the inletting was done correctly. As far as the mag release, when he inletted mine two AICS's, he didn't touch the release as he insisted the gun plumber that was finishing it complete the work as to insure proper fitting. My guess is he did the same with yours, as he has done with several others that I know of.
Now please explain to me how Marty/Badger caused that potential problem? You say you spoke with Marty "quite a bit" back when you were experiencing these issues. How many times did he offer to have you send him the rifle so he could take a look at it and fix it, at HIS expense, as well as ship it back to you, at HIS expense? I've spoke with Marty a fair amount of times, and your story isn't adding up here as I would stake my reputation on the fact that if there was an issue and you went to Marty with it, he would have offered to fix it for you. All you would have had to pay is shipping to Badger.
The main issue here is you have no clue of what which you speak, and it's becoming glaringly obvious. My suggestion is shut up, let it go, and move on. You're only making yourself look dumber.
Ok, I'm obviously talking in big terms here. The receiver, specifically the M2008 Bolt action receiver, is basically a glofified piston that only moves two directions, let's say in and out. Ok, from there, there's a lot of factors that will cause the gun to not function properly. Say, I dunno, how the chamber is cut maybe for starters? When a round is chambered into a bolt action rifle, the round doesn't enter the chamber in a straight path, it comes up from the bottom and the tip and case rub against the bottom of the chamber mouth. If that section isn't smoothed out, you'll have issues. If the magazine isn't at the correct height, you'll have issues. You say the AICS was inletted by Marty, so my guess is the inletting was done correctly. As far as the mag release, when he inletted mine two AICS's, he didn't touch the release as he insisted the gun plumber that was finishing it complete the work as to insure proper fitting. My guess is he did the same with yours, as he has done with several others that I know of.
Now please explain to me how Marty/Badger caused that potential problem? You say you spoke with Marty "quite a bit" back when you were experiencing these issues. How many times did he offer to have you send him the rifle so he could take a look at it and fix it, at HIS expense, as well as ship it back to you, at HIS expense? I've spoke with Marty a fair amount of times, and your story isn't adding up here as I would stake my reputation on the fact that if there was an issue and you went to Marty with it, he would have offered to fix it for you. All you would have had to pay is shipping to Badger.
The main issue here is you have no clue of what which you speak, and it's becoming glaringly obvious. My suggestion is shut up, let it go, and move on. You're only making yourself look dumber.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, I'm obviously talking in big terms here. The receiver, specifically the M2008 Bolt action receiver, is basically a glofified piston that only moves two directions, let's say in and out. Ok, from there, there's a lot of factors that will cause the gun to not function properly. Say, I dunno, how the chamber is cut maybe for starters? When a round is chambered into a bolt action rifle, the round doesn't enter the chamber in a straight path, it comes up from the bottom and the tip and case rub against the bottom of the chamber mouth. If that section isn't smoothed out, you'll have issues. If the magazine isn't at the correct height, you'll have issues. You say the AICS was inletted by Marty, so my guess is the inletting was done correctly. As far as the mag release, when he inletted mine two AICS's, he didn't touch the release as he insisted the gun plumber that was finishing it complete the work as to insure proper fitting. My guess is he did the same with yours, as he has done with several others that I know of.
Now please explain to me how Marty/Badger caused that potential problem? You say you spoke with Marty "quite a bit" back when you were experiencing these issues. How many times did he offer to have you send him the rifle so he could take a look at it and fix it, at HIS expense, as well as ship it back to you, at HIS expense? I've spoke with Marty a fair amount of times, and your story isn't adding up here as I would stake my reputation on the fact that if there was an issue and you went to Marty with it, he would have offered to fix it for you. All you would have had to pay is shipping to Badger.
The main issue here is you have no clue of what which you speak, and it's becoming glaringly obvious. My suggestion is shut up, let it go, and move on. You're only making yourself look dumber. </div></div>
What does the chamber have to do with how a gun feeds? NOTHING. The action should sit in the stock and feed rounds correctly out of the mag without a barrel even installed on it. The rounds were jamming IN THE ACTION, they were never making it to the chamber.
I'll say it again JERED DID NOTHING THAT COULD HAVE EFFECTED HOW IT FEEDS.
Marty told me the mag release didn't have to be touched to feed from AICS mags and that is would only need to be modified to use AW mags. Jered checked the way the mag was sitting and sent it out.
Marty never offered to look at it. He pointed the finger at Jered and Jered pointed the finger at the stock and action which Marty inletted. I was in the middle of a cluster fuck with my rifle, you don't know the situation and your sitting behind a keyboard speculating.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, I'm obviously talking in big terms here. The receiver, specifically the M2008 Bolt action receiver, is basically a glofified piston that only moves two directions, let's say in and out. Ok, from there, there's a lot of factors that will cause the gun to not function properly. Say, I dunno, how the chamber is cut maybe for starters? When a round is chambered into a bolt action rifle, the round doesn't enter the chamber in a straight path, it comes up from the bottom and the tip and case rub against the bottom of the chamber mouth. If that section isn't smoothed out, you'll have issues. If the magazine isn't at the correct height, you'll have issues. You say the AICS was inletted by Marty, so my guess is the inletting was done correctly. As far as the mag release, when he inletted mine two AICS's, he didn't touch the release as he insisted the gun plumber that was finishing it complete the work as to insure proper fitting. My guess is he did the same with yours, as he has done with several others that I know of.
Now please explain to me how Marty/Badger caused that potential problem? You say you spoke with Marty "quite a bit" back when you were experiencing these issues. How many times did he offer to have you send him the rifle so he could take a look at it and fix it, at HIS expense, as well as ship it back to you, at HIS expense? I've spoke with Marty a fair amount of times, and your story isn't adding up here as I would stake my reputation on the fact that if there was an issue and you went to Marty with it, he would have offered to fix it for you. All you would have had to pay is shipping to Badger.
The main issue here is you have no clue of what which you speak, and it's becoming glaringly obvious. My suggestion is shut up, let it go, and move on. You're only making yourself look dumber. </div></div>
What does the chamber have to do with how a gun feeds? NOTHING. The action should sit in the stock and feed rounds correctly out of the mag without a barrel even installed on it. The rounds were jamming IN THE ACTION, they were never making it to the chamber.
I'll say it again JERED DID NOTHING THAT COULD HAVE EFFECTED HOW IT FEEDS.
Marty told me the mag release didn't have to be touched to feed from AICS mags and that is would only need to be modified to use AW mags. Jered checked the way the mag was sitting and sent it out.
Marty never offered to look at it. He pointed the finger at Jered and Jered pointed the finger at the stock and action which Marty inletted. I was in the middle of a cluster fuck with my rifle, you don't know the situation and your sitting behind a keyboard speculating.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Straight from an email from Marty @ Badger:
Hi,
<span style="color: #FF0000">Generation 2 receivers start at S/N 101,
the Tenon was made longer
headspace was changed slightly
Bolt stop was changed to the long action version on all receivers
cocking piece notch in the bolt was changed to the Long action version for continuity
Hope this helps
Marty</span>
The sear is part of what ever trigger you install. I think the poster means the cocking piece and not the sear. There is about .004" difference in the Gen I and Gen II cocking piece.
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One thing to note, is that since the bolt release is longer and oriented at 10 o'clock vs 9 o'clock, the bolt's raceway cut is completely different. Pretty much the only parts that are compatible (without a mod to the bolt) between the 2 actions are the firing pin, firing pin shroud and firing pin spring. And possibly the extractor and ejector. (I did measure the bolt face and it was ever so slightly recessed from the first to second gen, so that extractor might not work.)
I've got both. I've never even shot my 2nd gen action's build... The first gen shot REALLY well, but gave me fits with inconsistent ignition. I finally sent my bolt back for a mod to the new style and got it back today. Hopefully this fixes the ignition issue. I know the bolt lift is going to be nuts though. The cocking cam cutout is pretty darn steep.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Straight from an email from Marty @ Badger:
Hi,
<span style="color: #FF0000">Generation 2 receivers start at S/N 101,
the Tenon was made longer
headspace was changed slightly
Bolt stop was changed to the long action version on all receivers
cocking piece notch in the bolt was changed to the Long action version for continuity
Hope this helps
Marty</span>
The sear is part of what ever trigger you install. I think the poster means the cocking piece and not the sear. There is about .004" difference in the Gen I and Gen II cocking piece.
</div></div>
One thing to note, is that since the bolt release is longer and oriented at 10 o'clock vs 9 o'clock, the bolt's raceway cut is completely different. Pretty much the only parts that are compatible (without a mod to the bolt) between the 2 actions are the firing pin, firing pin shroud and firing pin spring. And possibly the extractor and ejector. (I did measure the bolt face and it was ever so slightly recessed from the first to second gen, so that extractor might not work.)
I've got both. I've never even shot my 2nd gen action's build... The first gen shot REALLY well, but gave me fits with inconsistent ignition. I finally sent my bolt back for a mod to the new style and got it back today. Hopefully this fixes the ignition issue. I know the bolt lift is going to be nuts though. The cocking cam cutout is pretty darn steep.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, I'm obviously talking in big terms here. The receiver, specifically the M2008 Bolt action receiver, is basically a glofified piston that only moves two directions, let's say in and out. Ok, from there, there's a lot of factors that will cause the gun to not function properly. Say, I dunno, how the chamber is cut maybe for starters? When a round is chambered into a bolt action rifle, the round doesn't enter the chamber in a straight path, it comes up from the bottom and the tip and case rub against the bottom of the chamber mouth. If that section isn't smoothed out, you'll have issues. If the magazine isn't at the correct height, you'll have issues. You say the AICS was inletted by Marty, so my guess is the inletting was done correctly. As far as the mag release, when he inletted mine two AICS's, he didn't touch the release as he insisted the gun plumber that was finishing it complete the work as to insure proper fitting. My guess is he did the same with yours, as he has done with several others that I know of.
Now please explain to me how Marty/Badger caused that potential problem? You say you spoke with Marty "quite a bit" back when you were experiencing these issues. How many times did he offer to have you send him the rifle so he could take a look at it and fix it, at HIS expense, as well as ship it back to you, at HIS expense? I've spoke with Marty a fair amount of times, and your story isn't adding up here as I would stake my reputation on the fact that if there was an issue and you went to Marty with it, he would have offered to fix it for you. All you would have had to pay is shipping to Badger.
The main issue here is you have no clue of what which you speak, and it's becoming glaringly obvious. My suggestion is shut up, let it go, and move on. You're only making yourself look dumber. </div></div>
What does the chamber have to do with how a gun feeds? NOTHING. The action should sit in the stock and feed rounds correctly out of the mag without a barrel even installed on it. The rounds were jamming IN THE ACTION, they were never making it to the chamber.
I'll say it again JERED DID NOTHING THAT COULD HAVE EFFECTED HOW IT FEEDS.
Marty told me the mag release didn't have to be touched to feed from AICS mags and that is would only need to be modified to use AW mags. Jered checked the way the mag was sitting and sent it out.
Marty never offered to look at it. He pointed the finger at Jered and Jered pointed the finger at the stock and action which Marty inletted. I was in the middle of a cluster fuck with my rifle, you don't know the situation and your sitting behind a keyboard speculating. </div></div>
Your first statement shows how little you know. As to your comments that Marty never offered to look at it, I'm going to waive the bullshit flag on that one. I'm tired of arguing with a 21 year old rich kid who has an extreme case of self entitlement. I'm done with you.
To the OP, go with a M2008 with confidence, they're awesome receivers and you won't be let down! Feel free to PM me if you have any further questions.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, I'm obviously talking in big terms here. The receiver, specifically the M2008 Bolt action receiver, is basically a glofified piston that only moves two directions, let's say in and out. Ok, from there, there's a lot of factors that will cause the gun to not function properly. Say, I dunno, how the chamber is cut maybe for starters? When a round is chambered into a bolt action rifle, the round doesn't enter the chamber in a straight path, it comes up from the bottom and the tip and case rub against the bottom of the chamber mouth. If that section isn't smoothed out, you'll have issues. If the magazine isn't at the correct height, you'll have issues. You say the AICS was inletted by Marty, so my guess is the inletting was done correctly. As far as the mag release, when he inletted mine two AICS's, he didn't touch the release as he insisted the gun plumber that was finishing it complete the work as to insure proper fitting. My guess is he did the same with yours, as he has done with several others that I know of.
Now please explain to me how Marty/Badger caused that potential problem? You say you spoke with Marty "quite a bit" back when you were experiencing these issues. How many times did he offer to have you send him the rifle so he could take a look at it and fix it, at HIS expense, as well as ship it back to you, at HIS expense? I've spoke with Marty a fair amount of times, and your story isn't adding up here as I would stake my reputation on the fact that if there was an issue and you went to Marty with it, he would have offered to fix it for you. All you would have had to pay is shipping to Badger.
The main issue here is you have no clue of what which you speak, and it's becoming glaringly obvious. My suggestion is shut up, let it go, and move on. You're only making yourself look dumber. </div></div>
What does the chamber have to do with how a gun feeds? NOTHING. The action should sit in the stock and feed rounds correctly out of the mag without a barrel even installed on it. The rounds were jamming IN THE ACTION, they were never making it to the chamber.
I'll say it again JERED DID NOTHING THAT COULD HAVE EFFECTED HOW IT FEEDS.
Marty told me the mag release didn't have to be touched to feed from AICS mags and that is would only need to be modified to use AW mags. Jered checked the way the mag was sitting and sent it out.
Marty never offered to look at it. He pointed the finger at Jered and Jered pointed the finger at the stock and action which Marty inletted. I was in the middle of a cluster fuck with my rifle, you don't know the situation and your sitting behind a keyboard speculating. </div></div>
Your first statement shows how little you know. As to your comments that Marty never offered to look at it, I'm going to waive the bullshit flag on that one. I'm tired of arguing with a 21 year old rich kid who has an extreme case of self entitlement. I'm done with you.
To the OP, go with a M2008 with confidence, they're awesome receivers and you won't be let down! Feel free to PM me if you have any further questions.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
Have a 2nd gen built on an A5 by GAP. Runs on AIAW, AI AICS and Alpha mags flawlessly. Just had GAP make me a 6XC and a .284 barrel for mine. It's a great action and would be even better if I could get a .223 bolt so I would have to be collecting parts for a .223AI build.
Have a 2nd gen built on an A5 by GAP. Runs on AIAW, AI AICS and Alpha mags flawlessly. Just had GAP make me a 6XC and a .284 barrel for mine. It's a great action and would be even better if I could get a .223 bolt so I would have to be collecting parts for a .223AI build.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
I remember this rifle. I don't remember 100% of the deal but we'll say 50%. The stock was inleted by Marty or someone there for the simple reason that it was cheaper than what we were charging if memory serves me correct. I'm not even sure if we had the stock at the time that the rifle was built. Cory you'll have to verify that..........I can't remember honestly.
I will say this. There isn't much room for error on Marty's print. You cut to the print and it's right or it doesn't go together. With the feeding in question there isn't much that would cause it to go wrong other than mag depth to my knowledge. I've seen two things cause inconstancies with AW mags. Variances on the magazine themselves (minor but they do exist) or the depth at which the magazine sits in relation to the action itself.
If we opted not to alter or touch the stock it was simply due to the fact that it wasn't our work. Once we touch something it's on us. The typical response is to let the original guy fix it or pay us to do so. Otherwise everyone starts pointing fingers at each other.
If we had the stock here we would have tested it. If we tested it then it would have passed or the customer would have been notified of the issue. I don't know if it was tested with AI or AW mags. Cory will have to be the one to elaborate on that because again............sometimes remembering yesterday is a challenge for me.
I will say that we have altered more than one latch early in the game. Not many but they have been done in order to insure proper feeding.
All this being said I think the Badger is a nice action. I've owned 2 personally. What is happening here seems to be somewhat a mystery. I know for a fact Cory and I spoke about the feeding issue. I know for a fact that he spoke top Marty because i spoke to Marty about it as well. What transpired after that is in the wind.
This one fact can't be denied. If the mag is in good working order and it gets to the correct depth it will feed.
I remember this rifle. I don't remember 100% of the deal but we'll say 50%. The stock was inleted by Marty or someone there for the simple reason that it was cheaper than what we were charging if memory serves me correct. I'm not even sure if we had the stock at the time that the rifle was built. Cory you'll have to verify that..........I can't remember honestly.
I will say this. There isn't much room for error on Marty's print. You cut to the print and it's right or it doesn't go together. With the feeding in question there isn't much that would cause it to go wrong other than mag depth to my knowledge. I've seen two things cause inconstancies with AW mags. Variances on the magazine themselves (minor but they do exist) or the depth at which the magazine sits in relation to the action itself.
If we opted not to alter or touch the stock it was simply due to the fact that it wasn't our work. Once we touch something it's on us. The typical response is to let the original guy fix it or pay us to do so. Otherwise everyone starts pointing fingers at each other.
If we had the stock here we would have tested it. If we tested it then it would have passed or the customer would have been notified of the issue. I don't know if it was tested with AI or AW mags. Cory will have to be the one to elaborate on that because again............sometimes remembering yesterday is a challenge for me.
I will say that we have altered more than one latch early in the game. Not many but they have been done in order to insure proper feeding.
All this being said I think the Badger is a nice action. I've owned 2 personally. What is happening here seems to be somewhat a mystery. I know for a fact Cory and I spoke about the feeding issue. I know for a fact that he spoke top Marty because i spoke to Marty about it as well. What transpired after that is in the wind.
This one fact can't be denied. If the mag is in good working order and it gets to the correct depth it will feed.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
Jered, cost was partially the reason. At the time you hadn't inletted a stock for the M2008 yet but did have one other M2008 there waiting to built but you hadn't inletted the stock and didn't know exactly what it would cost because we didn't know how long it would take you so we decided to just have Badger do it. In hind sight maybe I should have had you inlet it because it probably would have ran right, and if not I know you would have stood behind your work. You didn't inlet the stock though so the feeding issue was out of your control. The stock was there before the build was started and came to me completely assembled ready to throw a scope on and rock on. I believe you tested it for accuracy but I'm not entirely sure, I did try it with 6 different AICS mags, 4 5's and 1 10's and none of them fed right.
It was initially setup for the AICS mags but after having the feeding problems I had the smith that now does barrels and other work for AI in Fredericksburg modify the latch to try AW mags and he cut it so the mag sat at the right depth. After switching to AW mags it got even worse and did the same thing with 4 different 10 round AW mags.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Your first statement shows how little you know. As to your comments that Marty never offered to look at it, I'm going to waive the bullshit flag on that one. I'm tired of arguing with a 21 year old rich kid who has an extreme case of self entitlement. I'm done with you.
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If you'd like me to show you how little YOU know I'd be happy to spin the barrel off my AI and make a video of it pushing every round out of the mag flawlessly.
Marty didn't want to look at it, his exact words were "I didn't build the rifle, I can't do anything about it". I don't give a flying shit what you do or don't believe, you weren't on the phone so you have no damn clue what was said. Jered has verified I talked to both him and Marty about the feeding issue. Turn your brain on for a second and answer the question for me... If Marty offered to fix the rifle do you REALLY think I would have declined it? Id he had offered to look at it or fix it then I wouldn't have had to sell it and take a huge loss to get somebody to buy a rifle with problems. Use your brain.
And BTW I'm not 21, nor am I rich... SHOWS HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW!
Jered, cost was partially the reason. At the time you hadn't inletted a stock for the M2008 yet but did have one other M2008 there waiting to built but you hadn't inletted the stock and didn't know exactly what it would cost because we didn't know how long it would take you so we decided to just have Badger do it. In hind sight maybe I should have had you inlet it because it probably would have ran right, and if not I know you would have stood behind your work. You didn't inlet the stock though so the feeding issue was out of your control. The stock was there before the build was started and came to me completely assembled ready to throw a scope on and rock on. I believe you tested it for accuracy but I'm not entirely sure, I did try it with 6 different AICS mags, 4 5's and 1 10's and none of them fed right.
It was initially setup for the AICS mags but after having the feeding problems I had the smith that now does barrels and other work for AI in Fredericksburg modify the latch to try AW mags and he cut it so the mag sat at the right depth. After switching to AW mags it got even worse and did the same thing with 4 different 10 round AW mags.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Your first statement shows how little you know. As to your comments that Marty never offered to look at it, I'm going to waive the bullshit flag on that one. I'm tired of arguing with a 21 year old rich kid who has an extreme case of self entitlement. I'm done with you.
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If you'd like me to show you how little YOU know I'd be happy to spin the barrel off my AI and make a video of it pushing every round out of the mag flawlessly.
Marty didn't want to look at it, his exact words were "I didn't build the rifle, I can't do anything about it". I don't give a flying shit what you do or don't believe, you weren't on the phone so you have no damn clue what was said. Jered has verified I talked to both him and Marty about the feeding issue. Turn your brain on for a second and answer the question for me... If Marty offered to fix the rifle do you REALLY think I would have declined it? Id he had offered to look at it or fix it then I wouldn't have had to sell it and take a huge loss to get somebody to buy a rifle with problems. Use your brain.
And BTW I'm not 21, nor am I rich... SHOWS HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW!
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Your first statement shows how little you know. As to your comments that Marty never offered to look at it, I'm going to waive the bullshit flag on that one. I'm tired of arguing with a 21 year old rich kid who has an extreme case of self entitlement. I'm done with you.
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If you'd like me to show you how little YOU know I'd be happy to spin the barrel off my AI and make a video of it pushing every round out of the mag flawlessly.
Marty didn't want to look at it, his exact words were "I didn't build the rifle, I can't do anything about it". I don't give a flying shit what you do or don't believe, you weren't on the phone so you have no damn clue what was said. Jered has verified I talked to both him and Marty about the feeding issue. Turn your brain on for a second and answer the question for me... If Marty offered to fix the rifle do you REALLY think I would have declined it? Id he had offered to look at it or fix it then I wouldn't have had to sell it and take a huge loss to get somebody to buy a rifle with problems. Use your brain.
And BTW I'm not 21, nor am I rich... SHOWS HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW! </div></div>
I know I said I was done, but I'm going to point out the fact that at this point, nobody cares what you have to say, and you're only making yourself look like more of an ass. To call out Marty and say he said "I didn't build the rifle, I can't do anything about it" is absured. I know of multiple rifles that he's taken in that he didn't build to correct errors that were made by people other than him. That man has a better reputation than you'll ever have and the many people that have spoken with him on here can attest to that. You on the other hand, we'll let's just say if/when you get another timeout, you won't be missed.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Your first statement shows how little you know. As to your comments that Marty never offered to look at it, I'm going to waive the bullshit flag on that one. I'm tired of arguing with a 21 year old rich kid who has an extreme case of self entitlement. I'm done with you.
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If you'd like me to show you how little YOU know I'd be happy to spin the barrel off my AI and make a video of it pushing every round out of the mag flawlessly.
Marty didn't want to look at it, his exact words were "I didn't build the rifle, I can't do anything about it". I don't give a flying shit what you do or don't believe, you weren't on the phone so you have no damn clue what was said. Jered has verified I talked to both him and Marty about the feeding issue. Turn your brain on for a second and answer the question for me... If Marty offered to fix the rifle do you REALLY think I would have declined it? Id he had offered to look at it or fix it then I wouldn't have had to sell it and take a huge loss to get somebody to buy a rifle with problems. Use your brain.
And BTW I'm not 21, nor am I rich... SHOWS HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW! </div></div>
I know I said I was done, but I'm going to point out the fact that at this point, nobody cares what you have to say, and you're only making yourself look like more of an ass. To call out Marty and say he said "I didn't build the rifle, I can't do anything about it" is absured. I know of multiple rifles that he's taken in that he didn't build to correct errors that were made by people other than him. That man has a better reputation than you'll ever have and the many people that have spoken with him on here can attest to that. You on the other hand, we'll let's just say if/when you get another timeout, you won't be missed.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I know I said I was done, but I'm going to point out the fact that at this point, nobody cares what you have to say, and you're only making yourself look like more of an ass. To call out Marty and say he said "I didn't build the rifle, I can't do anything about it" is absured. I know of multiple rifles that he's taken in that he didn't build to correct errors that were made by people other than him. That man has a better reputation than you'll ever have and the many people that have spoken with him on here can attest to that. You on the other hand, we'll let's just say if/when you get another timeout, you won't be missed.
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Your an idiot, Jered comes on here and verifies I talked to both of them about the feeding issues and you have some other crap spew from your mouth. What bad reputation do I have? I have a reputation of making fanboy's butthurt, so the hell what. I speak my mind and if I have a problem with something I'll make it known. I'm a fanboy of nothing, I use what works and I'll be the first one to tell you what doesn't.
I've dealt with Marty's customer service quite a few times. He had no problem with sending me the replacement spring, and he's sent me various other parts. Why would I lie about him not wanting to look at my rifle? What do I have to gain from it? Absolutely nothing, it cost me money because I had to sell a defective rifle at a loss after waiting a year for my build because he wasn't willing to look at it and fix it. What part of that don't you get?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I know I said I was done, but I'm going to point out the fact that at this point, nobody cares what you have to say, and you're only making yourself look like more of an ass. To call out Marty and say he said "I didn't build the rifle, I can't do anything about it" is absured. I know of multiple rifles that he's taken in that he didn't build to correct errors that were made by people other than him. That man has a better reputation than you'll ever have and the many people that have spoken with him on here can attest to that. You on the other hand, we'll let's just say if/when you get another timeout, you won't be missed.
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Your an idiot, Jered comes on here and verifies I talked to both of them about the feeding issues and you have some other crap spew from your mouth. What bad reputation do I have? I have a reputation of making fanboy's butthurt, so the hell what. I speak my mind and if I have a problem with something I'll make it known. I'm a fanboy of nothing, I use what works and I'll be the first one to tell you what doesn't.
I've dealt with Marty's customer service quite a few times. He had no problem with sending me the replacement spring, and he's sent me various other parts. Why would I lie about him not wanting to look at my rifle? What do I have to gain from it? Absolutely nothing, it cost me money because I had to sell a defective rifle at a loss after waiting a year for my build because he wasn't willing to look at it and fix it. What part of that don't you get?
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
As Jered said, the issue is with AIAW mags being very picky about how high they sit in the action. My badger was bedded into a Manners T4-A stock and when I set it up I carefully cut and fitted the pillars ahead of time so that the AW mags fed perfectly. So when I bedded it into the stock everything was hunky dory and it fed a dream from AW mags.
I've got a surgeon action that Jered milled to accept AW mags and the T3 stock he bedded it into worked perfectly as well. But when I decided to move it to an AICS stock I started having feeding problems because the mags weren't quite held up high enough by the factory mag latch (which obviously you have much less control over since you don't pillar bed a AICS.) I milled a new mag latch a little longer and filed it down to the perfect length and everything has been great since.
As Jered said, the issue is with AIAW mags being very picky about how high they sit in the action. My badger was bedded into a Manners T4-A stock and when I set it up I carefully cut and fitted the pillars ahead of time so that the AW mags fed perfectly. So when I bedded it into the stock everything was hunky dory and it fed a dream from AW mags.
I've got a surgeon action that Jered milled to accept AW mags and the T3 stock he bedded it into worked perfectly as well. But when I decided to move it to an AICS stock I started having feeding problems because the mags weren't quite held up high enough by the factory mag latch (which obviously you have much less control over since you don't pillar bed a AICS.) I milled a new mag latch a little longer and filed it down to the perfect length and everything has been great since.
Re: Need reviews on Badger M2008 action
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had nothing but problems with mine.
Either way I sold mine</div></div>
Awesome to know. I'll be sure to never buy shit from you.... </div></div>
I put the problems in the add and made the buyer perfectly aware the problems that I experienced and even offered him a 3 day return period. He never contacted me about a return, only about how accurate it shot.
I've never falsely advertised anything I've sold and I take offense to you accusing me of that. </div></div>
I bought the rifle from you Cory on AR15.com,and you never disclosed the feeding problems,just the paint flaking off and the lack of paint on parts of the chassis.I kind of see why you didn't want to sell it here since you disclosed the problems here..Hell if I would have seen your original thread here,I never would have bought it.
The rifle shot great,but it was my first precision rifle,I didn't know shit about it.Knowing what I know now I would have asked a lot more questions..
I ended up talking to Marty about the feeding problems and sent it in to him to check out,Marty has been nothing but helpful.
I never would have bought the rifle had I known it had feeding problems since I wanted a perfectly functioning rifle for my first precision type shooter,and for the money I paid..You couldn't have taken much a loss unless you bought the parts at hyper-inflated prices..Being as I was new to this type of shooting,I rarely,if ever fed ammo through the mag,just single loading and taking my time..learning the craft.
Only last year was when I started doing some quick type shooting from the mag is when the feeding problem became a nuisance.
I still like the rifle a lot,and have no regrets.but...you never disclosed the feeding problem,or if you did you understated it.
As of today,the rifle is at GAP getting re-painted..If Marty comes back to the thread,he can tell you more of what the problem was.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had nothing but problems with mine.
Either way I sold mine</div></div>
Awesome to know. I'll be sure to never buy shit from you.... </div></div>
I put the problems in the add and made the buyer perfectly aware the problems that I experienced and even offered him a 3 day return period. He never contacted me about a return, only about how accurate it shot.
I've never falsely advertised anything I've sold and I take offense to you accusing me of that. </div></div>
I bought the rifle from you Cory on AR15.com,and you never disclosed the feeding problems,just the paint flaking off and the lack of paint on parts of the chassis.I kind of see why you didn't want to sell it here since you disclosed the problems here..Hell if I would have seen your original thread here,I never would have bought it.
The rifle shot great,but it was my first precision rifle,I didn't know shit about it.Knowing what I know now I would have asked a lot more questions..
I ended up talking to Marty about the feeding problems and sent it in to him to check out,Marty has been nothing but helpful.
I never would have bought the rifle had I known it had feeding problems since I wanted a perfectly functioning rifle for my first precision type shooter,and for the money I paid..You couldn't have taken much a loss unless you bought the parts at hyper-inflated prices..Being as I was new to this type of shooting,I rarely,if ever fed ammo through the mag,just single loading and taking my time..learning the craft.
Only last year was when I started doing some quick type shooting from the mag is when the feeding problem became a nuisance.
I still like the rifle a lot,and have no regrets.but...you never disclosed the feeding problem,or if you did you understated it.
As of today,the rifle is at GAP getting re-painted..If Marty comes back to the thread,he can tell you more of what the problem was.
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