Rifle Scopes Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

[hydro556]

A buddy of mine recently bought a Zeiss FL Diavari and is having some issues getting it zeroed.As in, he cant, LOL.

He asked me if I would look into it for him, and even though I have zero experience with this optic,of course I told him I'd try to help, assuming it would be something simple.

Well, he dropped it off earlier in the week, and tonight I decided to look at it. I have no paperwork or anything, but how complicated can it be, right. uh, yeah.

Ok, the scope is an odd configuration, at least to me. (However, it is a very nice hunting optic, to be sure.)

The turret appears to be a CW elevation configuration, but it is marked 0 through about 65 units. According to the writing on the top each click equals .1mil. Now, that alone raises some flags for me. Assuming that is right, once you get it zeroed (and set the zero stop, which is also different than the ones I am used to) that would mean you have about 6.5 mils of up/elevation travel. (that would only get my 16" OBR to about 700 yards from a 100y zero with 175 mach kings?!) That sure doesnt sound like much, but it is a hunting scope, so maybe that is right.

His problem, he said, was that he cant get a 100 yard zero on his Browning 325WSM, with a no cant base. (It is mounted in Talley hardware. They are 2 separate rings, but have the base built in to each ring) But, from measurements I can get, and from eye balling it, there is no built in cant.

IIRC, he said he is low at 100y, even after he maxes out the elevation travel.

I have not taken apart the turret to see how the zero stop works, because I am hoping maybe some of you Zeiss guys can shed some light on this before I start messing with a zero stop that appears completely foreign to me.

Anyone have any advice? Also, on the total elevation travel, I looked around online and cant find a definitive answer on the total travel available in this scope. Is there really only about 6.5 mils of "up" left when the scope is roughly mechanically centered?

Thanks in advance.

 

[hydro556]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

Anybody?

 

[hydro556]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

Maybe I should try a hunting forum.

 

[buckey]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

Give "Sakoluvr" a shout on here - he has this scope & seems to have it figured out.

I have the exact scope also - first time out with it (brand new scope), I had nothing but problems. My windage adjustment seems to be "stuck" & will not allow me to zero the rifle. Called Zeiss & its heading back to them.

 

[hydro556]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

Yeah, to me, the scope seems over thought.

 

[sakoluvr]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

<span style="text-decoration: underline">I am using a 25 MOA base and have no problems what so ever with a 100 yard zero on my Sako TRG using a Near rail/mount.</span>

Simply unscrew the turret cap screw and ease out the spring and adjustment knob. It is under a little pressure because of the spring. The other knob that remains is called the tappet. It has a pin for a stop.

If you run out of down, simply lift up the tappet knob, an turn it clockwise so the tappet knob pin is now on the other side of the stop pin, an push the tappet knob back down. Opposite for up.

You can make adjustments without assembling everything back. Just turn the tappet knob.

When you are where you want to be, just put everything back together, and line up the zero on the adjustment knob. Keeping the tappet pin against the stop pin will give you a full revolution when you have to spin the turret for a long range shot.

If you want to have a multiple revolution turret, the pin can probably be removed.

.36" clicks at 100 yards. 57.6" elevation adjustment.

This scope has incredible glass!!! Assuming it is the Diavari Victory T* FL.

 

[sakoluvr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, to me, the scope seems over thought.

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I am wondering what you mean by this? It is simple to run, and built like a tank with freaking outstanding low light optical clarity. Nothing over thought about dat.

Really, I like the scope for hunting.

 

[hydro556]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sakoluvr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="text-decoration: underline">I am using a 25 MOA base and have no problems what so ever with a 100 yard zero on my Sako TRG using a Near rail/mount.</span>

Simply unscrew the turret cap screw and ease out the spring and adjustment knob. It is under a little pressure because of the spring. The other knob that remains is called the tappet. It has a pin for a stop.

If you run out of down, simply lift up the tappet knob, an turn it clockwise so the tappet knob pin is now on the other side of the stop pin, an push the tappet knob back down. Opposite for up.

You can make adjustments without assembling everything back. Just turn the tappet knob.

When you are where you want to be, just put everything back together, and line up the zero on the adjustment knob. Keeping the tappet pin against the stop pin will give you a full revolution when you have to spin the turret for a long range shot.

If you want to have a multiple revolution turret, the pin can probably be removed.

.36" clicks at 100 yards. 57.6" elevation adjustment.

This scope has incredible glass!!! Assuming it is the Diavari Victory T* FL. </div></div>

Thanks for the info. Will try that tonight.

And yes, it is excellent glass, great hunting optic.

 

[hydro556]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sakoluvr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, to me, the scope seems over thought.

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I am wondering what you mean by this? It is simple to run, and built like a tank with freaking outstanding low light optical clarity. Nothing over thought about dat.

Really, I like the scope for hunting. </div></div>

Maybe overthought is a poor adjective.

It's just different than the scopes I am used to.

 

[sakoluvr]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

I think once you remove the turret cap, and see how the pin is set up on the tappet knob and stop pin, it will be pretty intuitive. The turret cap cranks the tappet. The turret cap is marked and the tappet is not. So, from top to bottom, you have the screw, the spring, the marked turret cap and the tappet. Scope out a grid or a target and watch the reticle move. That will help. Good luck!

 

[hydro556]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

thanks a ton bro

 

[jasonk]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

Did the scope come with a manual? Has he read it?

 

[hydro556]

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I think he has the manual. He mentioned something about it only having a couple pages in Enlish and not much info.

I wasnt too worried about it, figured it would not be too bad to sort out.

Will advise this evening once I get it figured out.

 

[buckey]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

Manual is not very detailed & really doesn't go through the entire process.

 

[sakoluvr]

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I agree. I messed with it at my bench before i ever went to the range. Like I said, once you look at it and spin, it's pretty intuitive. Like most things, it's easy once you know how <GRIN>

 

[buckey]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

Just wished mine would worked!!! LOL!!!

My first Zeiss is a lemon outta the box - thats how my luck has been going lately. Hopefully Zeiss gets me squared away quickly!!

 

[sakoluvr]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

Buckey, they may just replace it since it's new. Are you just looking to get your $$ back? It is really a nice scope, and some of the best glass to be had.

 

[hydro556]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

Took it apart and it is just as described.

If you bypass the zero stop, there are about 3 revolutions giving about 16.5 mils of total travel.

The zero stop in this scope is simple and effective. Now that I see how it works, I like it just fine.

My buddies problems are rifle or ring/base related, I am assuming.

Once I got everything figured out, I bore sighted the scope. To get it roughly bore sighted,(did it off my back deck, apx range was about 75 yards) got me into the last revolution on the turret. Once "zeroed", I had about 4 mils of "up" left.

If I were anywhere near the mechanical center, I would have about double that.

Unless there is a defect in the scope, that would indicate he has some imperfection in either the ring/bases or the receiver, no?

I will take it to the range with me this weekend to confirm the zero, but it is usually real close using this method. Hopefully it is off by a lot, and the actual zero gets it closer back to the mechanical center of the optic.

 

[buckey]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sakoluvr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buckey, they may just replace it since it's new. Are you just looking to get your $$ back? It is really a nice scope, and some of the best glass to be had. </div></div>

sako,

I replaced it with a new NightForce yesterday - I am impressed with the NightForce. The turrets & adjustments are bullet proof!! The glass is not Diavari FL glass, but its pretty damn nice - better than I expected!!

I am just "gun shy" of this Zeiss scope now - really disappointed in its function for a $2500 scope.


I hope they give me a new new scope - I strongly suggested that I wanted a new scope!!! Not sure if I'll keep it or not?? Probabaly will sell it and go back to my beloved Schmidt&Benders or another NightForce!!

 

[sakoluvr]

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I hear you. Can't say i wouldn't do the same.

 

[buckey]

Re: Need some help with a Zeiss FL Diavari 4-16x50T*

It'll be up for sale at a GREAT price when it or a new one comes back - let me know if interested!!

 

[sakoluvr]

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Buckey, how did you get treated by Zeiss? Hoping things worked out well for you.