Advanced Marksmanship Need Some Hepl With Marksmanship

bcjolly

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I am shooting an Anschutz 1413 using Redfield Olympic front and rear sights. I have an adjustable rear aperature that allows an opening from 0.8 mm to 2.2 mm. I am 62 years old. My problem is there is an apparent mirage in the center of the rear aperature--kinda looks like a piece of "lint" right in the center of the opening. It is there regardless of the size of the opening setting on the rear sight. This little "artifact" is exactly where the bull needs to be for correct sight picture. I can move the sight picture ever so slightly in any direction so as to look around the "fuzz" and the bull becomes sharp but not when the bull is centered. Is there any way to get rid of this anomoly? If so, how? Am I just too old and this is a problem with "tired eyes"? I can shoot with a scope but I would really like to use the iron sights if possible. I can shoot almost as well with the aperature sights as with a scope. If I can find a solution to this problem, I think I can equal my shooting with a scope. Thanks in advance for any help.
Barry C Jolly
 
Re: Need Some Hepl With Marksmanship

I'll be 63 in a few weeks, and my eyes are significantly farsighted. I was shooting with a peepsighted Mossberg 144 .22LR for the first time in several years just yesterday, in a significant overcast.

I have never come across the specific anomoly you describe, but had quite a bit of trouble yesterday with floaters. Nevertheless, once I settled own after 2 or 3 shots, the rounds started impacting with the kind of accuracy I usually get with a scope sight. Needless to say, this was a very welcome surpise.

I think that for an accomplished shooter, experimenting with unorthodox sight pictures can be both successful, and perhaps an actual improvement. I would say, go ahead and experiment. It's something I intend to do myself, now that I've got a suitible training impliment up and running again.

I would also say, that for best results, it is key to keep your cheekweld at a very consistent distance from the peep. Anything else, all's fair that works fair.

I've found that with my greater height and the .22's total lack of recoil, I can place my nose right up against the sight mount. How's that for a consistent eye relief distance?

Unfortunately it also makes the peep look about as big as a swimming pool, too. The bull and the post just seem to swim around in the middle of the great wilderness. That's why I'm thinking about doing something to alter the sight picture in some way that might render better aiming precision, like edging the bull up against the top edge of the visible aperture and bringing the post up to meet it.

...And I might just as well be whistling Dixie, but I figure it's worth a try. The thing is, I figure I can experiment with sight pictures until I find what delivers the smallest, roundest groups, and then I just need to adjust the sights to put the impacts onto the desired POI.

BTW, my Eldest Brother used to shoot US Army Intramural Company Matches with the Garand, and he showed me a trick for reducing aperture diameter on a fixed aperture. He got TDY'ed to Special Services, the way basketball players and baseball players sometimes get assigned for the Olympics, etc.

Anyhoo, you place a drop of black lacquer into the aperture, then puncture it with a sewing needle. The lacquer dries leaving a smaller aperture. This can be repeated several times until the aperture shrinks quite a bit.

Another trick from back before fiberglass was widely used for bedding, was to mix up wood glue, sawdust, and fine paper shreds, and use it as a bedding agent.

BTW, welcome aboard The 'Hide, Newguy!

Greg
 
Re: Need Some Hepl With Marksmanship

I have exactly the same problem when shooting "peep" sights. I have been to the optomitrist, then the opthomoligist and then the retina specialist. Had a brain MRI and tests, 3D photos and so on up the wazoo. Expert opinion" I'm soon to be 67 and have early onset cararacts, worse in right eye. Still 20/15 left eye 20/20 right eye (corrected).
Were I you I would see a good opthomoligist to indentify what's going on.
We only get one set!
Bausch & Lomb lubricating eye drops help but the only real solutions for me are scopes and lasergrips. At least I can still shoot a shotgun reasonable well.

So I'll be selling these:

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Re: Need Some Hepl With Marksmanship

those damn young whippersnappers just dont make them damn lousy iron sights like the good ole days.

I tried a Prune juice/geritol/viagra cocktail one day at the range.

I couldnt believe the improvement!

those damn lousy goddamn whippersnappers didnt know what hit them.

Then when I got home to Harriet, she didnt know what hit her!

he he he
 
Re: Need Some Hepl With Marksmanship

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry C Jolly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am shooting an Anschutz 1413 using Redfield Olympic front and rear sights. I have an adjustable rear aperature that allows an opening from 0.8 mm to 2.2 mm. I am 62 years old. My problem is there is an apparent mirage in the center of the rear aperature--kinda looks like a piece of "lint" right in the center of the opening. It is there regardless of the size of the opening setting on the rear sight. This little "artifact" is exactly where the bull needs to be for correct sight picture. I can move the sight picture ever so slightly in any direction so as to look around the "fuzz" and the bull becomes sharp but not when the bull is centered. Is there any way to get rid of this anomoly? If so, how? Am I just too old and this is a problem with "tired eyes"? I can shoot with a scope but I would really like to use the iron sights if possible. I can shoot almost as well with the aperature sights as with a scope. If I can find a solution to this problem, I think I can equal my shooting with a scope. Thanks in advance for any help.
Barry C Jolly</div></div>

Try an adjustable aperture in the range of something like .5 to 3.0, like the Gehmann 510. Mount to get eye relief with a comfortable stock weld where your eyeball is just shy of touching the sight. Adjust sight from large to small, to get a sharp front sight, as well as good depth of field as best you can before things become too dark.