Precision Rifle Gear New Area419 Hellfire Design
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Painful watching all of those trigger slaps.
Seems like a good update. Hopefully the port "gills" get radiused on this new version so they aren't cheese cutters on your hand when the locking collar inevitably locks up.
Seems like a good update. Hopefully the port "gills" get radiused on this new version so they aren't cheese cutters on your hand when the locking collar inevitably locks up.
You would think these guys would all send the new ones off to get tested by third party. This is one item that can be tested the same across the board.
It’s interesting to see the ports designed for their individual positions in the brake. I am not aware of any others like this.
If I heard correctly, they specifically mentioned that the first (and main) port is directed perpendicular to the shooter/bore, and the gas coming from that port will disrupt and mitigate the gas from the more forward ports coming back at the shooter. That's what the Insite Arms Heathen brake does as well. I believe they incorporated specific geometry on the ports to allow the rifle to recoil in a manner in which sight line is the least disruptive, but I'm not sure if they provided much specifics on that.
Yes, and it's directed perpendicular to the bore, to disrupt gasses from the more forward port and mitigating those gasses from reaching the shooter.
I dont follow PRS anything, just not my cup of tea. WTF is with the trigger technique? Is that a thing? I know what trigger slapping is, but they were jumping off the trigger like it stung them. Super weird.
Why do you think @lowlight complains so much about there being a lot of really good bad shooters in PRS?
If PRS is in the title or the topic of discussion, I dont read it. Not surprising he feels that way though, that's just embarrassing.
That’s pretty interesting technique for sure.
I saw they incorporated more vertical bias into this new brake.
That’s one of the reasons I love the Heathen, very little to none.
Let me fix a muzzle rise with consistent technique and rifle setup instead of inconsistent technique and help from gas flow.
I saw they incorporated more vertical bias into this new brake.
That’s one of the reasons I love the Heathen, very little to none.
Let me fix a muzzle rise with consistent technique and rifle setup instead of inconsistent technique and help from gas flow.
Brakes should be as illegal as asbestos and narcotics. Suppressors should be sold over the counter for $50.
Squad me with the suppressor guys. Please don't put me with a bunch of Little Bastards...
Squad me with the suppressor guys. Please don't put me with a bunch of Little Bastards...
I love my A419 hellfires so I’ll probably snag one of these to try it out. That said...holy fucking slaps.
A point IS a point though.
I just got my ass kicked by a bunch of slappers.
I honestly dont care anymore though, if they know how to slap it consistently then thats all that matters down range I guess.
Sup fellas - I'll go ahead and scroll past the trigger slapping and fundamentals discussion, happy to have that conversation at the match of your choosing and then compare scores after 
The brake design is meant to do one thing better than anything else on the market, and it does - control the rifle under recoil in a way that leads to superior sight retention. MOST of the rifles you see in matches are 20-24lbs and shooting something between a 6BR and a 6.5 Creedmoor. This is not a package that's going to beat your shoulder, but retaining sight picture when shooting positional is never easy.
The true "put it on a sled" recoil performance is very similar to the Hellfire that has been in market for years - marginally better but most would not be able to feel a difference behind the rifle. The sound levels at the shooter ear are also identical to the existing Hellfire, which was the goal.
Being able to do these things along with added performance in sight picture retention is something we consider a big deal, so we're making a big deal out of it!
The brake design is meant to do one thing better than anything else on the market, and it does - control the rifle under recoil in a way that leads to superior sight retention. MOST of the rifles you see in matches are 20-24lbs and shooting something between a 6BR and a 6.5 Creedmoor. This is not a package that's going to beat your shoulder, but retaining sight picture when shooting positional is never easy.
The true "put it on a sled" recoil performance is very similar to the Hellfire that has been in market for years - marginally better but most would not be able to feel a difference behind the rifle. The sound levels at the shooter ear are also identical to the existing Hellfire, which was the goal.
Being able to do these things along with added performance in sight picture retention is something we consider a big deal, so we're making a big deal out of it!
No argument from me. I only use hellfires. I was just sharing a new product, in true SH fashion it always goes sidewaysSup fellas - I'll go ahead and scroll past the trigger slapping and fundamentals discussion, happy to have that conversation at the match of your choosing and then compare scores after
The brake design is meant to do one thing better than anything else on the market, and it does - control the rifle under recoil in a way that leads to superior sight retention. MOST of the rifles you see in matches are 20-24lbs and shooting something between a 6BR and a 6.5 Creedmoor. This is not a package that's going to beat your shoulder, but retaining sight picture when shooting positional is never easy.
The true "put it on a sled" recoil performance is very similar to the Hellfire that has been in market for years - marginally better but most would not be able to feel a difference behind the rifle. The sound levels at the shooter ear are also identical to the existing Hellfire, which was the goal.
Being able to do these things along with added performance in sight picture retention is something we consider a big deal, so we're making a big deal out of it!
anybody have any time behind the HF match. any comparison to the Sidewinder or original HF? I've got a match coming, just seeing any real world experience
I'm wondering about the sound impulse. Mark Kuczka talked about the affects of impulse from muzzle brakes and how that can cause hearing loss. Cal Zant wrote that their testing found backward angled baffles may work better than straight ports.Sup fellas - I'll go ahead and scroll past the trigger slapping and fundamentals discussion, happy to have that conversation at the match of your choosing and then compare scores after
The brake design is meant to do one thing better than anything else on the market, and it does - control the rifle under recoil in a way that leads to superior sight retention. MOST of the rifles you see in matches are 20-24lbs and shooting something between a 6BR and a 6.5 Creedmoor. This is not a package that's going to beat your shoulder, but retaining sight picture when shooting positional is never easy.
The true "put it on a sled" recoil performance is very similar to the Hellfire that has been in market for years - marginally better but most would not be able to feel a difference behind the rifle. The sound levels at the shooter ear are also identical to the existing Hellfire, which was the goal.
Being able to do these things along with added performance in sight picture retention is something we consider a big deal, so we're making a big deal out of it!
I was wondering if there a way to create a workable muzzle brake with forward angle ports or baffles facing away from the shooter?
I know that sounds like a oddball question but my thought is that may help with reducing sound at the shooters ear.
If the gasses go forward, that means it's pushing the rifle backwards, increasing recoil vs a normal brake.Linear comps do what you are asking and work terribly compared to a real brake.
double up your ear pro.
double up your ear pro.
What he said, ports facing forward - awful idea. Use earpro or a suppressor. Interested to hear on the HF Match also. Got another new 6mm that already has an adapter on it and need another brake. Worth the extra from the original?
The Hellfire match is a noticeable improvement in both recoil and felt blast. I shoot a 6cm with dtacs and noticed right off the Match is better.
The brake is not marketed to you. It's also worth noting that it's not aimed (pun!) At you because you are after technique and skill, rather than a crutch.
Brakes like this do have a place, and there is quite a few situations that they can be preferred. This is why the exist.
They didn't design anything new here, they just rediscovered a few things.
I expect you'll see them much more widely available, and orders from dealers/distribution filled in the next few weeks. Production has finally reached the speed that we thought we would get to earlier, but sometimes manufacturing presents unforeseen difficulties!
The best answer to this question is our Maverick. It was built around these exact principles. Unfortunately, to really make this work requires some design that falls into the NFA category. Good news is it absolutely works.
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