New Burris LRF integrated scope
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This looks super cool!
Burris is leading the field in on board scope ballistics between the Veracity PH and the Eliminator. The latter has been out for years and just gets better and better with each subsequent model!
Burris is leading the field in on board scope ballistics between the Veracity PH and the Eliminator. The latter has been out for years and just gets better and better with each subsequent model!
I think it will be.6th time might be the charm
I think an awful lot of previous Eliminator models were good. Folks have bagged a lot of game with them.
But bugs were there in some. Burris has been pioneering a new product pretty much on their own for a lot of years now. And it's evolving tech. Revic certainly got roughed up trying to do it with their $5k bomb. I don't think their latest version has an integrated LRF any more. They are completely back out of the game.
So you're right, the Eliminators haven’t been perfect, but I think this one is really going to be the breakthrough in scope integrated LRF and on-board ballistics. It even looks like a normal optic now.
It would be nice to not have to carry an LRF around any more.
This one doesn't look like a monstrosity as least. Probably got dust in it though...
I’ll stick to my Swarovski binos with onboard ballistics and a more reliable dialing optic that’s not on its 5th revision.
If it’s made in phillipines it should be safe from Dandruff Dan.
If it’s made in phillipines it should be safe from Dandruff Dan.
It's not a revision. It's not a change to an older optic. It's a 6th generation. Technology moving forward.
Imagine if we were trying to get along by doing revisions to Gen 1 fighter jets. Or making fun of 5th Gen and incoming 6th Gen fighter jets just because you feel more secure using your old Cessna.
The difference is that we haven't gone from gen 1 to gen 6 fighter jets in a few years, it's taken place over decades.
These things have gotten a lot of updates and new versions very quickly and there have been a lot of problems with them which you've even admitted they haven't been perfect.
I wouldn't touch one before and I wouldn't consider touching the 6th generation either.
Well seeing as how it's you, and we're talking about a Burris, I doubt anyone is surprised. 
FYI though, the first Eliminator hit the market in 2009. So its been evolving 14 years. And I do agree they haven't been perfect, but they gotten better with each generation with technology improvements and data learned from previous generations. I think a lot of folks are going to like this scope.
FYI though, the first Eliminator hit the market in 2009. So its been evolving 14 years. And I do agree they haven't been perfect, but they gotten better with each generation with technology improvements and data learned from previous generations. I think a lot of folks are going to like this scope.
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Probably need to have it cranked to 20X to use the fancy 177 reticle, eh? If ever a FFP was needed, and I am not an all FFP all the time guy, this would have balanced this scope out like a champ.
I've sold a fair number of Eliminators, none ever had issues . A great hunting scope. My only gripe was the size of the center post. Looks like they've cured that issue.
And seriously what scope hasn't ever had any failures? It's humans using them after all.
Yep, the problem has been poor optical quality and POA resolution. I'm guessing that the "6" will have similar optical quality to the XTR III line which I have and find acceptable. This area of electro-optical scope integration is going to grow, with this likely being the first serious no-military offering that has reasonable optical quality, acceptable firing solution resolution and reasonably affordable price. The other products to pay attention to are the new Burris Veracity PH scopes that will also have a step up in optical quality. The Veracity PH has no LRF, but reduces workload by eliminating translation of range to mils and can go further than the tree holdover limitations of the eliminator.
Hang on to your hat over the next 5 years as this category delivers increasing optical quality and choices with more affordable prices which will push a good percentage of the traditional scope market share out. The only question is how quickly the quality and features will grow.
Hang on to your hat over the next 5 years as this category delivers increasing optical quality and choices with more affordable prices which will push a good percentage of the traditional scope market share out. The only question is how quickly the quality and features will grow.
Upgraded glass and three new models of the Veracity PH!!
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So point your rifle at whatever body or object that you want to range? Got it.
It gives you a range, adjusts for environmentals and density altitude, provides a wind call, and illuminates your holdover and wind hold on your reticle. Superimpose the illuminated dot on your target, use the digital level in the HUD to make sure your ready, and send it.
If you miss, it'll wipe away your tears, pat you on the ass, and tell you it was a good effort. And it'll fetch you a Bud Light from the fridge when you get home to make you feel better (because we know yall are still buying that crap because it's cheap).
Not sure if it adjusts for wind. Think that's on you as it will do DA but has no way to know wind vectors hence the tree reticle?
Perhaps you misunderstood. I didn’t buy it because it’s childish crap for those who are too lazy to understand the basics of ballistics and want to point their rifle at everything they range.
Haha! Youre right. I didnt understand you. I never would have thought you meant other people are lazy and stupid, and you're too smart for it..
So you figure all your holds out with paper and pencil? You use a coincidence telemeter to get your range? Hold up a wet finger for wind?
Or you use a handheld LRF? Possibly with on board ballistics that instantly displays your hold? Or you use a Kestrel? And you understand ballistics with all those devices doing the heavy lifting for you?
And you think it doesn't make sense to build those items into one simple to use device? A device that can get an accurate round downrange in half the time it normally takes if needed? You really lost me there...
I have no idea why you would think that just because this scope contains devices to simplify the shot, that you would think the people using it don't understand ballistics. How would they even program an optic or LRF of this nature if they didn't know? Everyone uses devices to gather this information now. Its easier now for everyone than its ever been. None of these people are any different or less passionate about their sport than you are.
Where's the harm in pointing your rifle at something you want to range. That's what rifles are for. Pointing and shooting at things. So long as folks are not pointing and ranging other hunters like they always did back when I started hunting, there's nothing wrong with it. I handle my rifle all day long out hiking around the mountains, and I point it at things sometimes. Just like most other folks.
You don't like the optic, don't buy it. But the people who do buy it are no better, worse, smarter, or dumber than you. The industry is headed this direction. These scopes will become common place within the next decade.
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I can't speak to the execution of the previous Eliminators (as I've never handled one) but the concept is definitely the way things are going. Most here are pumped on the Vortex Impact 4000 bringing a reasonably priced weapon-mounted LRF to the masses, this just integrates all that tech in the scope. I'm not pumped on SFP and MOA but get it for the target market (hunters). If these are reliable and have nice glass I'd sure like to try one if they make it in FFP and Mrad.
I think you are confusing the Swarovski Ds which is still available in it's own Gen 2. The optical quality in the 40mm scope tube is light years better than Burris's Eliminator or the Veracity. The Ds problem was the oddball tube size, mounting it, it's target market is rich European Hunters and it's use of a lighted reticle with no regular windage markings. Battery life is really short too and I would want them to switch to uncovered, manually adjustable turrets because of the short battery life.
Regarding Revic, their product the PMR 428 was far more interesting especially since the street price was $2850. The optical quality was again better than Burris products, it's build quality was great and when the MIL reticle came out it was far more practical for long range shooting. I hated sighting it in and setting the zero stop on it because it uses an electronic position sensor vs traditional mechanical turret mechanism. It was also heavy and the electronic heads up in mine would sometimes freeze. The Veracity is literally a poor knock off of that product.
I like the ideas with these products. I recognize Burris is specifically targeting the US hunting market but I would like to see Japanese manufacturing and glass, a MIL reticle system, light transmission above 86%, 34mm or 36mm, 5-25x is fine. More size variations is blah for the Veracity and at whatever price the Eliminator line Phillipines manufacturing is a turn off. I wouldn't pay $2499 plus tax and shipping for that. I know others might but I would rather pay $400 more for better optical quality and other changes.
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I'm not familiar with Swaro Ds. Hard to see the Eliminator as a knock off when it was out for 3 years before the PMR 428 came to market. So the PMR was a fancier knock off?
New for 2024 the Eliminator 6 and Veracity PH line (theres now three versions) will have an all Japanese optical array. My money is on they will be very XTRIII'ish. Perhaps XTR Pro glass in the Eliminator at that price.
No, the Eliminator was and is a completely different product than the PMR 428. The Eliminator uses a laser rangefinder and covered turrets. The Ds is the comparable product there.I'm not familiar with Swaro Ds. Hard to see the Eliminator as a knock off when it was out for 3 years before the PMR 428 came to market. So the PMR was a fancier knock off?
New for 2024 the Eliminator 6 and Veracity PH line (theres now three versions) will have an all Japanese optical array. My money is on they will be very XTRIII'ish. Perhaps XTR Pro glass in the Eliminator at that price.
I was reffering to the Veracity PH which came out years after the PMR and copied the exact product concept from Revic.
Honestly, I don't like the XTR line but that's personal preference not necessarily a judgement call.
2023 Veracity PHs are on sale but I’m going to get the 2024 illuminated reticle offering with ED glass. I think that 2.5-12 is going to make an excellent hunting optics.
Considering it's for hunting....yeah. If you don't want to shoot what you range...pick something else?
