I can't even believe they arrested this guy.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/21/new...d-near-burglar/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/21/new...d-near-burglar/
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New Hampshire gun laws....are they f'king serious?
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Re: New Hampshire gun laws....are they f'king serious?
People don't like the laws (and tax) in Mass. so they move to NH... and then vote for the same laws as Mass.
If this happened close to Manchester then, I'm not surprised.
Sad state of affairs.
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People don't like the laws (and tax) in Mass. so they move to NH... and then vote for the same laws as Mass.
If this happened close to Manchester then, I'm not surprised.
Sad state of affairs.
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Re: New Hampshire gun laws....are they f'king serious?
Makes sense. Fleming caused twice as much crime statistically instead of just the half that the burglar perpetrated. If you want to stop violence then just step out of the way of crime and let it do as it pleases. Criminals are more than happy to take your belongings without a fight.
Disclaimer: I'm fucking joking guys. But this must be how enough people are thinking to get these laws against defending yourself and property passed. To live in this world you either have to cut off your balls and put them under the sink in a mason jar or you have to live in total anarchy and will probably get killed sooner. The northwest will be my refuge someday.
Makes sense. Fleming caused twice as much crime statistically instead of just the half that the burglar perpetrated. If you want to stop violence then just step out of the way of crime and let it do as it pleases. Criminals are more than happy to take your belongings without a fight.
Disclaimer: I'm fucking joking guys. But this must be how enough people are thinking to get these laws against defending yourself and property passed. To live in this world you either have to cut off your balls and put them under the sink in a mason jar or you have to live in total anarchy and will probably get killed sooner. The northwest will be my refuge someday.
Re: New Hampshire gun laws....are they f'king serious?
New England...the <span style="font-style: italic">other</span> left coast!
Hey, Mission, when you get tired of living in New Port Rickety move on out to Wyoming. We have Castle Doctrine as well as a law protecting the homeowner who legally shoots a scumbag from being sued by the perps survivors. We also have open carry and permitless concealed carry. We have the highest per-capita ownership of NFA firearms and one of the lowest violent crime rates in the nation.
(BTW, I was born in Oldsmar and lived in the Slumshine State for 30 years...moved out here from Holiday.)
New England...the <span style="font-style: italic">other</span> left coast!
Hey, Mission, when you get tired of living in New Port Rickety move on out to Wyoming. We have Castle Doctrine as well as a law protecting the homeowner who legally shoots a scumbag from being sued by the perps survivors. We also have open carry and permitless concealed carry. We have the highest per-capita ownership of NFA firearms and one of the lowest violent crime rates in the nation.
(BTW, I was born in Oldsmar and lived in the Slumshine State for 30 years...moved out here from Holiday.)
Re: New Hampshire gun laws....are they f'king serious?
Was planning Montana actually. Still pretty good. I actually go skating in oldsmar. Still can't stand the traffic here plus it seems there are enough attorneys out there to screw my world royally if I get into a wreck.
Was planning Montana actually. Still pretty good. I actually go skating in oldsmar. Still can't stand the traffic here plus it seems there are enough attorneys out there to screw my world royally if I get into a wreck.
Re: New Hampshire gun laws....are they f'king serious?
I <span style="text-decoration: underline">can</span> believe he got arrested. Just because someone is permitted to have a gun doesn't mean he is also permitted to commit crimes. It's an example of how much trouble you can get into when you arm yourself without taking the time to know the law.
What is more interesting to me than the article is that people who advocate personal responsibility when talking about criminals and welfare recipients are often the same ones who cry foul on the system when an ignorant person brakes the law but also happens to be a gun owner.
I <span style="text-decoration: underline">can</span> believe he got arrested. Just because someone is permitted to have a gun doesn't mean he is also permitted to commit crimes. It's an example of how much trouble you can get into when you arm yourself without taking the time to know the law.
What is more interesting to me than the article is that people who advocate personal responsibility when talking about criminals and welfare recipients are often the same ones who cry foul on the system when an ignorant person brakes the law but also happens to be a gun owner.
Re: New Hampshire gun laws....are they f'king serious?
Generally it IS illegal to discharge a firearm within a city's limits. Firing into the ground had no purpose. Also, the guy was leaving his neighbor's house. He wasn't an immediate and direct threat to anybody and even less to this guy who didn't even live in the home in question. He should have had a good look at the guy to give the police a good description and stayed hands-off. It was stupid of him.
Generally it IS illegal to discharge a firearm within a city's limits. Firing into the ground had no purpose. Also, the guy was leaving his neighbor's house. He wasn't an immediate and direct threat to anybody and even less to this guy who didn't even live in the home in question. He should have had a good look at the guy to give the police a good description and stayed hands-off. It was stupid of him.
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We have castle doctrine here in Florida. No doubt about the plague of scumbag lawyers though.
As to Mr. Fleming, the area he lives, Farmington NH, is about 20 miles from where I grew up. It' nice country and not densely populated. It is also not known as a particularly liberal area nor crime ridden.
While none of us were there, it takes a good deal of lateral thinking to understand how shooting into the ground was thought to be a reasonable idea. It certainly is far better than a warning shot into the air on the bonehead spectrum. Perhaps Mr. Fleming was less than lucid when talking to the police. Perhaps the angle of his ground shot was deemed insufficiently vertical. Who knows? There is much to this story that is unclear.
Arrest is not conviction.
Keep in mind that there are statutes and ordinances on the books in NH towns, cities, counties and the state that go back to the 1600's. As anyone can see, Mr. Fleming is not being held in jail and while he has been arrested, it is not clear that he will be charged, let alone tried and/or convicted.
New Hampshire is not Massachusetts. It's not Florida, nor Texas, either but there are free people who live in NH and Mr. Fleming has friends he never knew he had. I too wish he had not been arrested nor had his firearms taken from him.
There is no accounting for the policies of some local law enforcement agencies however: I was working on a ICE facility, under construction in Stuart, FL last year where a Sheriff's deputy parked off the edge of the property watching to see if anyone dug a hole of any kind without a dig permit! Seriously! Anyone seen digging any hole for any reason had to produce a dig permit under threat of arrest!
Mission Fail,
We'd sure hate to see you leave! How about persuading a shit ton of lawyers and saggy pants loafers to leave the state instead?
We have castle doctrine here in Florida. No doubt about the plague of scumbag lawyers though.
As to Mr. Fleming, the area he lives, Farmington NH, is about 20 miles from where I grew up. It' nice country and not densely populated. It is also not known as a particularly liberal area nor crime ridden.
While none of us were there, it takes a good deal of lateral thinking to understand how shooting into the ground was thought to be a reasonable idea. It certainly is far better than a warning shot into the air on the bonehead spectrum. Perhaps Mr. Fleming was less than lucid when talking to the police. Perhaps the angle of his ground shot was deemed insufficiently vertical. Who knows? There is much to this story that is unclear.
Arrest is not conviction.
Keep in mind that there are statutes and ordinances on the books in NH towns, cities, counties and the state that go back to the 1600's. As anyone can see, Mr. Fleming is not being held in jail and while he has been arrested, it is not clear that he will be charged, let alone tried and/or convicted.
New Hampshire is not Massachusetts. It's not Florida, nor Texas, either but there are free people who live in NH and Mr. Fleming has friends he never knew he had. I too wish he had not been arrested nor had his firearms taken from him.
There is no accounting for the policies of some local law enforcement agencies however: I was working on a ICE facility, under construction in Stuart, FL last year where a Sheriff's deputy parked off the edge of the property watching to see if anyone dug a hole of any kind without a dig permit! Seriously! Anyone seen digging any hole for any reason had to produce a dig permit under threat of arrest!
Mission Fail,
We'd sure hate to see you leave! How about persuading a shit ton of lawyers and saggy pants loafers to leave the state instead?
Re: New Hampshire gun laws....are they f'king serious?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PanaDP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Generally it IS illegal to discharge a firearm within a city's limits. Firing into the ground had no purpose. Also, the guy was leaving his neighbor's house. He wasn't an immediate and direct threat to anybody and even less to this guy who didn't even live in the home in question. He should have had a good look at the guy to give the police a good description and stayed hands-off. It was stupid of him. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PanaDP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Generally it IS illegal to discharge a firearm within a city's limits. Firing into the ground had no purpose. Also, the guy was leaving his neighbor's house. He wasn't an immediate and direct threat to anybody and even less to this guy who didn't even live in the home in question. He should have had a good look at the guy to give the police a good description and stayed hands-off. It was stupid of him. </div></div>
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Re: New Hampshire gun laws....are they f'king serious?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PanaDP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Generally it IS illegal to discharge a firearm within a city's limits. Firing into the ground had no purpose. Also, the guy was leaving his neighbor's house. He wasn't an immediate and direct threat to anybody and even less to this guy who didn't even live in the home in question. He should have had a good look at the guy to give the police a good description and stayed hands-off. It was stupid of him. </div></div>
Sounds like some good armchair quarterbacking. Mr. Fleming probably wasn't thinking about the fine points of the law when he confronted the criminal. There is a big difference between legal/illegal and right/wrong from what I see these days. A discharge that didn't cause further crimes should be a fine, not anything close to 7 years in prison.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PanaDP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Generally it IS illegal to discharge a firearm within a city's limits. Firing into the ground had no purpose. Also, the guy was leaving his neighbor's house. He wasn't an immediate and direct threat to anybody and even less to this guy who didn't even live in the home in question. He should have had a good look at the guy to give the police a good description and stayed hands-off. It was stupid of him. </div></div>
Sounds like some good armchair quarterbacking. Mr. Fleming probably wasn't thinking about the fine points of the law when he confronted the criminal. There is a big difference between legal/illegal and right/wrong from what I see these days. A discharge that didn't cause further crimes should be a fine, not anything close to 7 years in prison.
Re: New Hampshire gun laws....are they f'king serious?
Generally, the purpose of the law is to separate the good guys from the bad guys, to be simplistic. Not to prosecute everybody on any technicality you can find.
The man fired his gun to get the criminal to stay put so the police could get him. I assume he had already tried asking nicely.
Nobody got hurt. I would not convict him if I was on the jury.
I agree that a stern talking to or a fine would be more appropriate.
Generally, the purpose of the law is to separate the good guys from the bad guys, to be simplistic. Not to prosecute everybody on any technicality you can find.
The man fired his gun to get the criminal to stay put so the police could get him. I assume he had already tried asking nicely.
Nobody got hurt. I would not convict him if I was on the jury.
I agree that a stern talking to or a fine would be more appropriate.
Re: New Hampshire gun laws....are they f'king serious?
I've lived here In northwest fl for 55 yrs,things have changed,cant trust the grand jurys or the county sheriffs to do the right thing anymore.Had a young game warden come by my pier on east bay saturday and tell me I needed a fishing lic. to fish off the pie I've been on for 55yrs.Ai'nt gonna happen,moving to Kalispel MT,will be there 3/15/12. Seeya
I've lived here In northwest fl for 55 yrs,things have changed,cant trust the grand jurys or the county sheriffs to do the right thing anymore.Had a young game warden come by my pier on east bay saturday and tell me I needed a fishing lic. to fish off the pie I've been on for 55yrs.Ai'nt gonna happen,moving to Kalispel MT,will be there 3/15/12. Seeya
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