New Hornady 109gr 6mm ELD-M

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    #1
    Anyone see this? .295 G7 from a 109 is super. I think its a couple ticks above the 109 Berger which is surprising if it pans out to be as advertised. I know the soon to be released 6GT will be loaded with the 109 but i can't imagine it not being available in the other 6mm option ammo as well. I'll def. be picking some up for the Dasher when they come out. GAP has a pre order option for 2,700 per order for $1049 which works out to a really good price per bullet. Lets hope thats what they'll be once their available.


    www.gaprecision.net

    HORNADY 6MM 109 ELD M BULK

    new Hornady 109 ELD Match Bullets. Bulk boxes of 2500 count
    www.gaprecision.net www.gaprecision.net
     
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    George posted about it back in November on facebook. They requested hornady make it to coincide with the 6 GT factory ammo coming out and the SAMMI certification getting approved. The preorder was live for a while and is closed now. It wont likely be available for the preorder price now.
     
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    GenericBadGuy said:
    George posted about it back in November on facebook. They requested hornady make it to coincide with the 6 GT factory ammo coming out and the SAMMI certification getting approved. The preorder was live for a while and is closed now. It wont likely be available for the preorder price now.
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    I reckon this is the example of the only thing bad about not participating in social media. It was news to me the other day.
     
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    I saw them when it was first announced. I'm not real keen on dropping that much coin on something that new. If it had been 500 count, I would have been one of the first in line. Hopefully they'll be available mid summer '22 for us unsponsored heathens.
     
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    These look like a great lower cost substitute for the 110 Atip. One big questions is what kind of tolerances they hold. One of the great things about the ATips is that the measurements are very low variation, no need to match lots, sort or make adjustments from lot to lot. While I expect a little more variability with these, I’m hoping it’s no too bad. Also hoping there is no issue with them blowing up like the 6.5 bullets. But they do look like a nice addition to what is available.
     
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    I'm hoping to see some range reports. Have a new BRA barrel and would like to try them as a cheaper "good enough" alternative to hybrids for matches.
     
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    Got mine. Some quick measurements on a dozen picked out of the box show excellant consistency. BTO ES is .001, OAL ES also .001, weights was a little more variable but ES was still only .24gn (108.90-109.14, and the 108.90 looked like an outlier). The BTO looks to be about .01 longer than the A-tips, and the OALis slightly shorter than the A-Tip (less than .01 different), but on first look these look really good. I’m going to load a few with my A-Tip load and see how they compare.
     
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    I loaded a handful of the 109 ELDs with the same load as my load for the 110 ATIPs and made a quick trip to the range. I shot a couple of groups with each, and based on that, I would say that there was no observable difference in how they shot at 100 yards. Speeds and results were close enough that I could not say that I could tell the difference at that range. My ATIPs shot just a tiny bit better, but close enough that the difference was well within my normal variation. The average speeds for the first groups of each were exactly the same.

    The profile is a little different. When I seated the 109 ELDs, I had to dial .007-.008 lower to get the same BTO that I use with the ATips., and the OAL of the loaded ELD rounds comes out about .015 shorter. So the Atips are a little pointier, but they are pretty close.

    I won't have a chance to shoot these at longer ranges for a couple of weeks, but I would be interested in hearing from anyone that does.
     
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    I saw a post on Facebook by George saying that they will be selling more online in normal quantity lots after they get pre-orders done. Not sure if that means they will be selling them long term or not, but if they are popular it seems likely.
     
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    Looks like .295 G7 might be a little optimistic. Will be interesting to see how it dopes out for people.


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    I got a chance to shoot these at longer ranges yesterday. Out to 500yds, it was pretty hard to tell the difference between the 109ELDs and 110ATips. At 600, there was maybe one click difference in elevation. When I true the drops out to 1000, I get a BC of .285-.290 for the 109ELDs and .300-.305 for the ATips. This is with a muzzle velocity of 3050, 1:7 twist, same load for both bullets. For a bullet that costs half of what the ATip costs, these are looking pretty good.
     
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    I have not tried to measure the bearing surface, but the profile of the 109ELDs is pretty close to the ATip profile, and in my 6 Creedmoor I get the same average velocity for the same load, so if you can shoot ATips in your 6BRA the 109ELDs should work as well.
     
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    Anyone else worked out the real world BC of these. Pretty disappointing if they only hit the .280 mark with an advertised BC of .295. Not that I would be surprised if that were the case. We have 2 cases in this thread where the BC varies.
     
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    It depends on how you calculate the BC. Over what range and by what metric. 100-200yd high velocity published BC's is nothing new.

    If you go 0-1200 the BC that matches my real world/doppler results (MV 2750fps) for retained velocity is ~.265 G7. For drop at 1200 it's about .280. For 600yd velocity it's ~.280, and for 600yd drop it's .295. To match 200yd velocity it's about .285.

    Which kinda serves to show the subtle issues with BC-based solvers. You're making the assumption that the drag profile of the bullet you're using matches up with the G7 standard projectile and most of the time it doesn't. If I were shooting a 6mm Creedmoor my BC numbers would be different from the above. Using a simple fixed scaling factor like BC is like using a single photograph/frame to represent a video. Sometimes it works well, sometimes it doesn't.

    At any rate, if you use 4DoF, you can use the 109 profile as-is (I believe it's on the mobile app), or use a 110 with an axial form factor of 1.05 or 1.06 and it will line up with velocity and elevation all the way out.

    I've been shooting the 109's for about a year now. "Almost a 110" is how I'd describe them. A little more drag; not quite interchangeable with 110's, but you don't see the differences until you're poking out there a ways (over 600-700yd). Certainly going to be a solid 'bang for the buck' performer.
     
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    Ledzep said:
    It depends on how you calculate the BC. Over what range and by what metric. 100-200yd high velocity published BC's is nothing new.

    If you go 0-1200 the BC that matches my real world/doppler results (MV 2750fps) for retained velocity is ~.265 G7. For drop at 1200 it's about .280. For 600yd velocity it's ~.280, and for 600yd drop it's .295. To match 200yd velocity it's about .285.

    Which kinda serves to show the subtle issues with BC-based solvers. You're making the assumption that the drag profile of the bullet you're using matches up with the G7 standard projectile and most of the time it doesn't. If I were shooting a 6mm Creedmoor my BC numbers would be different from the above. Using a simple fixed scaling factor like BC is like using a single photograph/frame to represent a video. Sometimes it works well, sometimes it doesn't.

    At any rate, if you use 4DoF, you can use the 109 profile as-is (I believe it's on the mobile app), or use a 110 with an axial form factor of 1.05 or 1.06 and it will line up with velocity and elevation all the way out.

    I've been shooting the 109's for about a year now. "Almost a 110" is how I'd describe them. A little more drag; not quite interchangeable with 110's, but you don't see the differences until you're poking out there a ways (over 600-700yd). Certainly going to be a solid 'bang for the buck' performer.
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    Fireman JB said:
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    a little test I did a couple weeks ago.

    **update** I have since learned I was having issues with a carbon ring during this test so don't let my picture above scare you away from this bullet... it took me a while to figure that out and correct the problem. Solution, buy a bore scope and clean that transition area down to steel with a brush between the end of the cartridge neck cut out in the chamber and where lands ramp up into full rifling.

    Because I use a relatively light powder charge I wasn't seeing the pressure signs some people do... I kept having fliers at distance that I knew where not caused by me,,, I ended up tracking it down to velocity spikes around 30fps, or so, every few rounds once I started monitoring every shot with my magnetospeed. I'll be retesting this bullet in a month or so once I get through the next couple matches with my Berger's
     
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