Re: New Recce upper at HighCaliberSales....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KJO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gentlemen all,
Thanks for the kind words and the thoughtful replies.
Trident, thanks a lot for your thoughts -- obviously well thought out/researched. I am pleased to have you add some perspective and personal experience to the use of the 2 similar configurations. Similar but remarkably different when it comes to "handiness" (in buildings, in and out of vehicles....). Your examination of what the trade offs are, one versus the other, deserve serious consideration by the student of this weapon.
<span style="color: #000099">While I'm certainly a diehard precision AR pupil, I'm far from any kind of expert on the subject just for the record. The super cool history and development behind these guns, and then the sheer mind blowing performance of these rifles and their ability to fully tap out the performance envelope of the 5.56 at LR is what hooked the hell outta of me. Imho, these two world beating config's spelled the death of the old timer's notion that one had to hump a heavy ass rifle with a 20" + barrel if any kinda precision or LR work was needed.
Again, for some...this topic or these two totally tweaked out rifles is overkill for the shooting they do, or plan to do, and they don't desire chasing the pinnacle of modern day AR design and then the performance gains yielded by them big or small.
However, for the true AR connoisseur or guy in the field that truly needs every bit of extra gained performance, your announcement is straight hi octane for the pursuit of advancing and understanding these two rifle concept's/builds and the fact that irregardless of how much these guns seem to be redundant upon each other, they are no doubt two different animals. These two rifles totally hump/handle differently, bed differently when in firing position(SPR "beds" down better in prone vs. the recce). They also differ on more nuanced things like barrel heat and the translated effects it has on accuracy(SPR can handle higher sustain rates of fire before the accuracy or shots start to significantly open up over the recce rifle), or the way these two guns actual feel different when shooting side by side(as in the SPR is so smooth it puts you to sleep, the recce...not so much)
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As you mentioned, the history/real story of the development of the MK12 is not well documented -- we are working on correcting that. Hopefully by the end of the year; early next we will get those details in print. This has been a goal/project of mine, as well.
<span style="color: #000099">OUTSTANDING...what else can I say other then I cannot wait to see what you put together.</span>
In the meantime, I am going to get some more barrels cut to Recce style and put together some more of these -- the drive to buy the MK12 comes, a lot, from the lore surrounding the rifle (Lone Survivor,...). The drive to buy the Recce? That's going to have to come from some thought -- from some personal reasoning, some soul searching -- what do I want this rifle for and will the Recce mod make more sense for my uses?
<span style="color: #000099">Quite simply, imho..the Recce has every single bit as much merit for being produced as it's bigger brother the SPR/MK12 has for it's current existence. </span>
The Recce is made from the "same" parts as the MK12 so the costs (read that expensive) are the same. Why not just get the MK12? That is the question to be answered and your discussion offers a lot of food for thought as a customer struggles with a decision.....
<span style="color: #000099">Flip it around....why buy the heavier, far less handy SPR when the sleek and mean Recce can dominate the same amt. of real estate in the same amt. of relative accuracy? I only devil's advocate as it's so damn easy to do with these rifles and why I love the study of them. I flip flop on being a Recce man or a SPR man more than modern day politician..literally back and forth. Now I just fall under that category of "how can a parent pick a favorite child when you love them equally". You are putting something out in the market that is basically totally unique given these future Recce models of yours are tack drivers that correlate to your existing Mk 12 uppers as much as possible, and then with as much "true to concept" specs as possible. I already know or believe those things, obviously that is why I got quite the thrill from seeing this post, but others will not and hopefully will do their homework and make these a huge success for you guys</span>
I did not mention it earlier when discussing my scope issue but wanted to add that, previously, I have used both the S&B short dot and the NF 1-4 -- both great scopes. I could not justify, for me, the cost of the SB over the NF and sold the SB -- kept the NF. Used he NF for a cpl years on a gun I used for some 3 gun matches. My issue with that scope was eye relief. If all of the stages were shot from the offhand, no problem. Those pesky course designers asked us to shoot from some awkward positions and trying to find the reticle from roll over prone took some effort/time. The RDS is the clear choice for ease of getting "on target" quickly. So, once again, I struggle with "trade offs"; "mission drives the gear train" issues.......
<span style="color: #000099">No argument there brother, that is indeed the one flaw to running the offset 1x mini rds secondary type setups. I would say you struggle with "trade offs" because your truly educated on the fact that there is never a free lunch in the AR/Kit world, and the simple principal that the mission will always define the gear. There just isn't one stick or rifle that you can kick doors down with and exit vehicles with, while then busting out shots at 600-800yds with pinpoint accuracy. The AR is so modular and lends itself to so many different faces that I would venture a guess that if one is not constantly debating or struggling over these trade offs, they aren't utilizing the awesome ability and nature of the AR platform. I do love that baby nxs, but again even though I want to love the 1-4x concept, my practice with them has always ultimately made them short stays on top of my rifles.</span>
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