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New shooter bought a savage MKII TR. Questions now

Baron Von Flavo

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Hey all.
I will be picking up my TR on the 14th when I get clearance. I have no experience shooting rifles at all. I wanted to get into the game w/ a 308 but was told to get a 22lr first so this is what I grabbed after lurking for a bit. I ordered a cheap Tasco varmint 6-24 to start with.
I need to know exactly what rings I should pick up though.

Also if there is anything else I should be picking up it would be great to know as well.

A good place to shop for bullets online so I can find out what this stuff goes for? Should I be looking for specific brands to start or will the cheap stuff be fine for a total beginner?

What do I need to get to put a pod on this? Or is the TR set up for the harris already?

It may or may not be of use to know why I got this. I have always wanted to learn how to shoot long range. Long range being as far as I can possibly shoot on my given budget at the time. I have no desire to bring home a trophy or foresee myself taking part in an event. I just want to know how to shoot. Probably blame that on too many movies I guess. With that being said. Please feel free to offer away all the suggestions you want to share.
I will appreciate them.

Thanks, Mike
 
Re: New shooter bought a savage MKII TR. Questions now

the rings would probably be medium or high to compensate for the size of the objective (to keep the scope high enough from rubbing or making contact with the barrel). the style or look is dependant on what you prefer if you are going for a "look". being a "newbie", i'd have a qualified gunsmith or seasoned shotter mount the scope. this may help you out if you wish to learn setting up a scope or give you a basic idea on what to do (or at least how i do it):
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...804#Post1560804
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...808#Post1560808

ammo - http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/index.php/cPath/465_187
https://www.championshooters.com/store/home.php
or even your local gun shop for whatever they have on the shelf.

i would go with trying many brands first to match up the ammo your rifle prefers. usually wolf, sk, eley, lapua, are the most used top shelfers, but also try some mid priced and bulk stuff to give you an idea of what the rifle is capable of and the rifles true potential at different ranges.

a bi-pod is nice for a "portable attached rest" and should be used with a rear shooting bag for better support and accurracy. (less human interaction gives you a better result). but nothing really beats a regular rifle rest for zeroing in. a harris bipod (or one of the knockoffs) would be the best choice if you are going to change positions from the bench to prone or plan on being mobile. i like a 6"-9" adjustable for bench, a 9"-13" for prone as the extra inches come in handy on your belly. the 9"-13" set the rifle up a little too much for me on the bench, and i can't comfortably "lock in" to my shooting position like i can with the 6"-9".

the harris (and the knockoffs) attach to the sling swivel stud easily, so as long as your stock has a sling swivel stud, your good to go.

i'd pick up an extra magazine, this seems to be the cheapest:
http://search.store.yahoo.net/cgi-bin/ns...mp;x=7&y=16

a nice one piece cleaning rod with tips, some toothbrushes for cleaning, and a make shift tool kit with everything that fits every nut and bolt on the rifle and accessories, staple gun and staples for posting targets. hearing and eye protection. a range bag or box or both to keep it all together. for example, i like these for entry level as they are economical and holds everthing in place:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/plano-shooters-case.aspx?a=148225
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/plano-magnum-field-box-lift-out-tray-combo-camo.aspx?a=351101
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/winchester-tactical-rifle-case.aspx?a=606349

i'd start off simple though, and add to your "tool box" as needed or as your budget allows.

if shooting off the ground in the prone position, a shooting mat is a comfortable thing to have. a cheap but nice entry level: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/roll-up-shooters-mat.aspx?a=389653

if longer ranges is your goal a wind gauge is almost essential to have, entry level:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/caldwell-wind-wizard-.aspx?a=261448

data book to record and repeat your performance, there's a thread here:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1658087#Post1658087 could be made up of simple index cards in a holder, just to start out.

spotting scope is nice to see your hits, but you should be able to make do with seeing them with that 6-24x

check out the learnings threads for the rimfire competitions:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1328297#Post1328297 lots of tips, tricks, facts, and suggestions based on actual shooters experience.

i'd also lurk around the site abit as there are tons of information that'll do you good. the google search function is a great source of finding it.

http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=010955838166721108978:qcbx5qqy10o&hl=en

i would say start off at 50 yards or less. when that becomes no challenge or boring, move out to 100 yards and so on. start out easy, identifing and correcting your mistakes at shorter ranges hones the skill quicker and is less frustrating.

don't get caught up in the "it's only a .22" bull, you'll probably end up having more fun and trigger time with your rimfire.

targets- i've always felt that a smaller target increases your focus and increases groups, so i like to preach using smaller spots or even staples to shoot at is better.

do some reading on breathing, trigger squeeze, cheekweld / eye alignment, as these are factors for consistant shooting. try dry firing to get the "feel" of things and to get down your squeeze. use spent casings or snap caps / dummie rounds to protect the firing pin. more detailed : http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...649#Post1627649
it's a good exercize for breathing, trigger squeeze, alignments, etc.

when at the range, don't be afraid to ask a question or two. from your original post it seems your an honest guy that knows what his objective is. be honest, you'll get more help that way.

also being a new shooter, get familiar with the rifle and safely handling it as much as you can and perhaps you should take a safety course, or read up on some firearm saftey tips and why they are there. sounds corny, but if / when a new shooter does something pretty hazardous on the ranges i've been on......well, it's not a pretty sight. situational awareness rule #1.

hope this helps you out.
 
Re: New shooter bought a savage MKII TR. Questions now

I have the same rifle and I went with weaver quad lock ext high however I don't recomend them they wouldn't tighten up properly on the base that came with the rifle. I got them to work but it was a PITA. I went with extra high because I wanted clearance for the flip up lens cover. Highs might have worked but they did't have them @ the time. I would try weaver 6 hole pictinney mounts from what I understand the bases that come with the rifle are not std weaver bases but pictinney bases. As to ammo I would start off with cheap stuff until you learn the basics then buy as many different kind and see what one groups the best with your gun. The gun is set up for the bipod in fact it has dual sling studs on the front. Probably the best advice I can give would be to seek out an NRA Certified Instructor and take a basic rifle course. CHeck with your local range or gun dealer. And most important is have fun and welcome to a very addictive sport
 
Re: New shooter bought a savage MKII TR. Questions now

Wow.
That is a very useful bunch of information. I think it will probably be a great idea for me to take a class or 2 on shooting.
I have one question left after all of that. It is actually the very 1st question
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I know was told which rings to get. I was told like a person that has a clue though. If it isnt too much trouble. Would someone mind posting links to what I need to order to mount my scope? I am not sure from the post above either if I actually Need to order a rail too. If so please let me know.

I will be spending plenty of time reading up on the info listed on the site. It has been very useful so far, hat is for sure. When you are rifle illiterate as me though. It makes it tough to understand what <span style="font-weight: bold">I</span> need. I would hate to buy the wrong thing. The guys at the gun shops here. While they have been very helpful. They don't seem to be really into what this site is dedicated too and very strong opinions on how things should and shouldn't be done.

Thanks for the help. It's been great.
Mike
 
Re: New shooter bought a savage MKII TR. Questions now

If your objective is 40mm or smaller, the Burris Extreme low rings are an excellent choice. 6 screws, aluminum construction. I'd get the Rimfire Technologiies one piece scope base. Perfect alignment of the rings....no need to lap them.

As far as ammo, I had mine out yesterday and it LOVES the Wolf Match and Wolf Match Extra. Midway carries it as well as the rings. The rifle has 2 sling swivel studs in the front, so you're GTG on a Harris bipod.

Link for the scope base.....

http://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=52
 
Re: New shooter bought a savage MKII TR. Questions now

Outstanding post by Top Predator.

All I'd add would be that the most important thing is to get out there and shoot. Don't get hung up on equipment and accessories before you take the leap. Once you get accustomed to the rifle, the rest will suggest itself.

As a guage for your skill level, the Boy Scout Rifle Shooting Merit Badge requirement is being able to cover a group of ten shots at 50ft with a quarter. That's pretty good shooting. Being able to do it at 50yd is very good shooting, and may or may not be within a given rifle/shooter combination's full potential. That's when thoughts like upgrading the system would be truly appropriate.

What's important here is less about what the rifle can do, and more about what the shooter can do, and how consistently.

Greg
 
Re: New shooter bought a savage MKII TR. Questions now

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=812371

i would probably get this set of rings. then you might be able to still use the open sights. if this is your first rifle you will want to pratice with the open sights as well. you dont need to order a base as you rifle sould have come with one from the factory. if there is a local gunshop just take them the rifle and scope, they should mount the scope for you. with a see through base its not ideal for the scope because the scope sits so high off the bore, but i think it would be best for you. just go to the shop and with everything and tell them you want the scope mounted with see through rings