New Swarovski binos with LRF

#5
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guess i'll stick to (and honour) the custom-made zeiss from my old man and get an additional decent range finder. maybe the swaro lrf prices drop a bit now.
 
#6
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Opticsspecialist</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i must have a pair</div></div>

Jay, I must have them too. When are these going to be available, and at what $$$?
 
#8
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Well I just placed my order for these, sounds like they will be coming out in the states next month in limited quantity. I spoke with eurooptic one of the sponsors here on the hide and placed my order (or got on the waiting list) He told me that most of the ones they have coming are spoken for but said he had a few left.

SO if anyone is actually interested in these I would say shoot him a email. Great guy to work with.
 
#9
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Hey guys,

The 8x and 10x EL Ranges landed today. We still have a couple pair left of each after filling our pre-orders. After playing with them for a couple hours I really like what Swaro came out with.

Clarity, color, and contrast is consistent with what the EL line is supposed to be.

The processor is pretty quick, giving you a quick read once you let go of the ranging button. I really like how the glasses operate with the range being shown after you let go of the button vs pressing the button. I find it helps you stay on target better for those longer ranges.

The open bridge design really lets you grab the glasses in a comfortable position. The battery compartment is in the center focus wheel (battery comes installed with an extra one in the case) which leads to putting the diopter adjustment on the individual eye pieces which I don't find to be that big of a deal.

The progressive scan feature is nice, tbr vs line of site is always nice to have. Auto dim feature plus being able to manually adjust the intensity is pretty unique as well.

Over all, the quality of the instrument is what I have come to expect from Swarovski. Buy with confidence.
 
#10
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they are sweet. and very quick to range
 
#11
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for those complaining that the geovids have the button on the left side ... note that the swaro also has the button on the left side.

the only thing i would like to see: 8x56
i'm simply not sure that 8x42 will cut it at dusk/dawn. that's why i'm currently still considering the geovid 8x56.
 
#15
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for the curious - about 2.7 keuro in austria. and that's when they probably build them about 30km away from me
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@jay: when you do tests, i'd be interested in a direct comparison in bad weather conditions, showing when either of the two failed.
 
#16
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I just got mine in today. So far they are really nice. They don't seem that much heavier than my buddies regular Swaros. Farthest I have tested was 729 yards from my backyard.

If they do 1500 yards that would be fine with me. I am not shooting past that distance anyway.
 
#18
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here is what i got today, i'm going to try to do more this weekend, i need a place i can get out a little farther but so far so good. i'm pretty impressed so far. i walked off the distances and used Google earth, so far it's been perfect

this particular sign is pretty hard to range, it's a pretty good test for any range finder to pick it up, i ranged this sign today, about noon, 55 degrees.

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next i went to a friends house and went out in the pasture, almost got killed by a damn bull, but then i used said bull to test the binoculars

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last i saw an opportunity to range out to a little over 800, 55 degrees across a field to a telephone pole

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sorry for the crappy pictures, it was an old point and shoot and i was in a hurry. around 6pm we were ranging telephone poles out to 1240 yards. more to come
 
#22
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I am very interested in these. I am in the market for a high quality set of binos. I like the 42 objectives. For hunting or really using binos as binos, anything much bigger gets to be a pain in the arse.

Someone who sells these please contact me privately to discuss.


Regards,
Greyson
 
#23
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here are a few more pictures from my hunt this weekend. i'm probably going to do a side by side with the other rf binoculars in the near future. my biggest challenge was finding an area with the range i needed. i used a tripod for the images, but i use a seated and prone position to shoot some of the longer shots before i tripod mounted the bino's and took the pictures. i didn't get to range any deer because of the wind and full moon, but here is what i got

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above are some cows i saw after the morning hunt, i was going from where i was hunting to a pipeline where i could do some serious ranging


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this is an electric line pole, i've put my rifle next to one for size reference, it's an off shape, but the nightforce scope on my rifle is 15 inches long, so you've got an idea of size.

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this is a fence post i ranged, it's a small target, good distance.

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this is the hill behind the fence post i ranged. the reason i did the fence post is because it is a pretty small non reflective target at distance. while i was ranging it, another guy hunting that property walked across this pipe line on that hill and i was able to range him at that yardage. he was walking too fast for me to get the camera set up and i didn't think it was a good idea to try to yell at him to stop while pointing some weird looking thing at him.

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these last images are of a tripod stand that had some burlap wraped around it, i couldn't get any closer because it's not on my least, but given it's size i'm confident you could range a deer sized target out to 1400 if you brace yourself. i was hunting alone so i didn't had a partner to act as a target. i'll try to get more pictures when i can. let me know if you have any questions.
 
#27
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beam divergence: high x wide in mil
according to the pdf on eurooptics.com

swaro el range: 1.5 x 0.5
leica geovid: 2.5 x 0.5
zeiss rf: 1.6 x 0.5

i guess the larger divergence vertically makes it easier to measure something as the majority of objects in a plane tend to be vertical (a human, a pole, ..) that way you effectively increase the overlap between the beam and the target and make it more likely to get a reflection back. consider a horizontally broader beam - in this case it's like crossing your fingers - the overlapping area is alot smaller compared to putting one finger on top of the other.

edit: reconfirmed the definition of high/wide via the swaro guide. just look for 'swarovski el range training guide'
 
#28
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@jay

did you test whether the 2x magnifier for the el binos also works for the el range? two pictures (one normal 8x or 10x42 and one with the 2x magnifier -> 8x or 20x) would be highly appreciated ...

that might actually sway me away from getting a geovid ...

but then, the el range also has angle included. did you happen to test whether the angle indication is precise?
 
#29
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That Beam Divergence is really tight , better than a Vectronix terrapin .So the beam Divergence is good but in reality how strong is the laser ? I also heard some of the range finder "in General " have limitors on how far they can effectivly range -who knows of this .

I would be very intereted to see how this particular bino handles flat land over 1000 yards on small targets with back ground and fore ground noise
 
#30
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geovid, el range and victory rf have all class 1 laser systems: so the power is below 1mW, but i guess each company will try to be as close as possible at that 1mW ... couldn'd find any real data on that though.

comment: 1mW is really nothing. good enough in atom physics when working with a few atoms ... but detectors to pick up the reflection of 1mW at those distances? ouch. you probably can do some amplitude modulation to do lock-in detection (which i would do) but still it is challenging.

1mW of light also explains why range finders tend to have problems with bright light as the detector might be saturated
 
#32
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na. 1mW is 1mW. if the target is 2.5mil high (for the geovids), you will get as much light reflected for any of the three systems (target area > laser beam area) only once the target is smaller that 2.5mil, you could argue that the swaro or zeiss _might_ be better.

it's not only the emmitor. it's probably alot more the detector that is important here. but i doubt that we'll get information on that.
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: threetrees</div><div class="ubbcode-body">na. 1mW is 1mW. if the target is 2.5mil high (for the geovids), you will get as much light reflected for any of the three systems (target area > laser beam area) only once the target is smaller that 2.5mil, you could argue that the swaro or zeiss _might_ be better.

it's not only the emmitor. it's probably alot more the detector that is important here. but i doubt that we'll get information on that. </div></div>

i don't have the equipment to measure beam divergence, but i can tell you at distance it performed very well. as for the doubler, i didn't like the image with the doubler on the older binoculars, and i don't have one that fits the new ones yet, but it would also increase visible shake.
 
#34
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on 'measuring beam divergence'. for technological reasons i'm pretty sure they use a laser in the infrared. most standard cameras can 'see' IR light a bit above 1 micron. depending on what they choose, you might be able to see the laser on a piece of paper when you look at it through a standard digital camera. maybe it's blicking or something of that sort. _if_ you see something, just let someone back a circle with a pencil of the correct size. given the distance, you can estimate the divergence.
 
#37
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Can anybody offer any experience on the minimum ranging distance of the EL Range? I have read a couple reports of them not working at all under 30yds or so. As an archery hunter as well, that is a big kick in the you know what to hear that.
 
#38
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fisky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can anybody offer any experience on the minimum ranging distance of the EL Range? I have read a couple reports of them not working at all under 30yds or so. As an archery hunter as well, that is a big kick in the you know what to hear that. </div></div>

this is a request i can easily comply with, we're got about 50 or 60 yards of distance behind our shop, i'll go shoot some ranges on a human target (sorry no pet deer :)) give me a call, I don't have a camera on me today that can hook into the camera adapter.
 
#40
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Opticsspecialist</div><div class="ubbcode-body">update, I'm not a bow hunter yet, so i didn't even think to test the el range binoculars at low range, it won't range closer that 30 yards. </div></div>

Thanks for the info Jay. Not what I wanted to hear, but at least it's been confirmed.
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fisky</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Opticsspecialist</div><div class="ubbcode-body">update, I'm not a bow hunter yet, so i didn't even think to test the el range binoculars at low range, it won't range closer that 30 yards. </div></div>

Thanks for the info Jay. Not what I wanted to hear, but at least it's been confirmed. </div></div>

well. that's what the specs already state ...
 
#43
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kill_goose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Little big and bulky for bowhunting anyway. </div></div>

So is carrying a pair of binos and a PRF.
 
#45
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Do the eyecups on these have several predetermined positions or detents that they "lock" into, or are they just variable depending on how far you have them turned out? I loved the eyecups on my Zeiss Rangefinding Binos, but the display washed out very easily in bright light. The Bushnells I have have a much better display but the eyecups suck. They are constantly changing position because they don't have any detents in their travel.
 
#49
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So now that these have been out for awhile, how are your guys liking the laser in them? I'm wondering if it's a legitimate 1000+ yd RF, or does it only hit them distances under ideal conditions?

Thanks
 
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