Rifle Scopes New Trijicon VCOG

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Trijicon VCOG (link)

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1-6x, BDC reticles, covered turrets, construction similar to ACOG, integral mount for AR-type rifles, battery illumination.


Better than the SHOT show news of "a silver painted ACOG", 2 years late to the 1-6x market??


Wonder what it weighs.
 
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Looks more short and compact compared to allot of the options out there in this power range. Hopefully the weight is not too heavy and the field of view is good.

http://trijicondev.isihost1.net/resources/downloads/2013_TrijiconBrochure_VCOG.pdf

Weight: 23.2 oz (no mount or battery)
Length: 10"
FOV: 95-15.9 feet @ 100 yards (18 to 3 degrees)
1/2" @ 100 yards per click turret

My interest is piqued, but I figure its probably going to cost way out of my budget.
 
My initial thoughts.....

1) Heavy, yea. The TARS they put out last year was significantly heavier than all competing scopes. On that count this one is not quite as bad as the TARS. It is lighter a few of the competing optics but on the whole it is definitely heavier than I would like. One of the big selling points the ACOG has is it's light weight. This is especially true given its fairly large objective.

2) Reticle - There was a time that I thought the ACOG's shoulder width lines were the most brilliant idea ever. However, after doing the testing in my scale vs stadia rangefinding article I came to the conclusion that range cannot be reliably determined with this method beyond about 400 yards. Given that range is not really even important with a 5.56mm until 300 yards that is not much of an achievement. I still consider the drop lines quite useful but the range-finding method now seems more wishful thinking than useful tool. As for the close quarters aspects of this reticle, less has proven to be more in my testing. I do not consider the crosshairs on the edges to be a good idea. I also consider the broken circle or horseshoe features to be a crutch for outdated illumination systems that do not belong in a scope of this price range.

3) Speaking of illumination, I like the use of a AA battery. I loved this in the CQ/T and I am happy to see somebody else do it as well. I am sad to see no fiber though. This is especially true since this is Trijicon's thing. One of their main selling points was the bright, always on, daytime fiber illumination. Really the power source of the VCOG illumination is not the big problem though. The diagrams in the spec sheet seem to indicate that these are neither illuminated in flash dot fashion nor full scale illumination. This means that you don't get the speed advantage of bright dot illumination or the low light long range shooting advantage of full scale illumination. Virtually all the scopes close to the VCOG's price point are dot illuminated this optic appears to use an significantly less desirable scheme.

4) The optics numbers - The exit pupil numbers, if honest (and they look to be) are fine though certainly not blowing anyone's mind. The field of view, however, is lacking. 95ft at 1x is not great. Most High end variables do much better. The Elcan, an interesting comparison given the price and heavy military focus of both companies is the champion in this area boasting 146ft but almost anything near this price point and most stuff not near it will better 95ft. Now, for all that can be said about stat sheet numbers they really don't matter near as much as the actual experience of using an optic and assessing its clarity, how comfortable the eyebox is, and how much distortion there is but these numbers aren't stand out all the same.

5) The mount - I am happy to see Trijicon adapt a variable with an integrated mount. It appears that the mount is even compatible with flat top adapters from the ACOGs. All wins on that front. Of course, one of the main reasons I like the idea of an integrated mount is to save weight and they obviously didn't do that but I still think it will make for a more rugged package with nothing to loosen up.

All in all I'll have to see the VCOG to really know if I like it or not but I'm not immediately blown away by the numbers or features. I am also not blown away by the price but given that this company is heavily supported by Uncle Sam I really didn't expect to be. Actually, given that Uncle Sam has been kicking the tires on 1-6x scopes lately, I expect the VCOG has mostly to do with that.
 
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If you happen to need a 1-6 scope, what does it matter which company was first to market with a 1-6?

Beacuse this has already been done years ago at less than half the price and does not look like its came of a prototype table of ugly shit.

Why the fuck would you not make it mil/mil .... I dont see any fiber or tritium, so you are back to being reliant on a battery. How the fuck is that even considered a ACOG or VCOG or whatever dumb ass name they come up with.

It looks like a chineese or russian knockoff that belongs on top of an AK.
 
Beacuse this has already been done years ago at less than half the price and does not look like its came of a prototype table of ugly shit.

Why the fuck would you not make it mil/mil .... I dont see any fiber or tritium, so you are back to being reliant on a battery. How the fuck is that even considered a ACOG or VCOG or whatever dumb ass name they come up with.

It looks like a chineese or russian knockoff that belongs on top of an AK.

So the complaint is that the product sucks and/or costs too much, not that it was last to market. My question stands.
 
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If you happen to need a 1-6 scope, what does it matter which company was first to market with a 1-6?

Because I believe Trijicon didn't bring anything new to the table. 1-6's, 1-8's, 1-etc, has been done over and over and cooked to well done plus crispy.

If they would have brought this out several years prior, when people were asking for those scopes with those characteristics from Trijicon, or a switch-power ACOG, they would have been "the" sought after company for this, given their reputation with the ACOG's.

But no, they didn't listen to customers years ago. Instead, Leupold, Bushnell, Vortex, S&B, etc, filled that void long ago. And to top it off, they didn't make a mil/mil version, it has substantial weight, the reticle choice has me going "WTF"; no fiber or tritium, and top it off with a 2k price point.

Now if you want to ask again the question of "last to market"; you are just arguing to argue on the Internet. There will be others after this one too, but it still means they are late to the game. Kinda like introducing a SFP mil/moa scope, slapping a big name on it with associated price, and calling it "revolutionary". LOL
 
Trijicon just told me that the LED is it for now and they do not know what the future holds as far as upgrade with fiber or Tritium, so wait and see.

Really would have been nice had they incorporated lessens learned from the ACOGs with this...
 
The size and weight aren't too bad all things considered. MSRP may be $2200 but MSRP on a TA31F is almost $1500 and you can get one for $1050 without even trying hard. My guess is they'll retail for around $1600-$1700 and it's the only USA made game in town right now aside from a USO. The comparable Leupold that retails for $2k (not MSRP) doesn't have enough US made parts to be marked made in USA and the Vortex and Bushnell are Japanese. To some people that means something.

I'd be sold if it at least had tritium for night use. Daytime illumination really isn't important to me but I do like the aspect of the ACOG where you have a nice bright reticle regardless of light that isn't battery dependent.

I'm looking for a 1-6/1-8 but since this has no features that set it apart from the rest it will just be added to my list of considerations. Seeing as the others I'm considering are all mil/mil (CQBSS, Bushy 1-8, 1-6, and MK6) and can pull double duty, I don't see the VCOG winning out.
 
I saw this at the NRA show in Houston.

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I thought I had more pictures of it.

Initial thoughts were, it's a Trijicon, glass is great. It's FFP. Really like the large Elevation turret. I also like how the power selctor ring, sleved the ocular bell, it was easy to manipulate the magnification back and forth from 1 through 6X.

The eye relief, felt pretty consecutive as well.

But one thing that I liked, is because it is modeled after the ACOG base, you could use Bobro's QD bases.

Only negative, was the battery housing. Aside from that I thought it looked promising.
 
Texaswicked, why do you see the battery housing as a negative? I would think that a AA battery is a better option vs the coin batteries that typically are used in these optics. They seemed to have tucked the battery out of the field of view. I looked at it and thought brilliant.

As far as the rest of the optic...

It looks like it was driven by requirements. It strikes me as being more grunt proof than the typical 1-6 on the market. keep inmind that I have nothing to quantify this, but have limited experience with some of the other 1-6 scopes on the market. The capped turrets, mounting system, seemingly bomb proof construction and simplicity all add to that.

Most Soldiers or Marines would not benefit fom exposed turrets, or a Horus reticle. While some 1-6 designs seem to be geared toward more of a DMR or sniper lite, this one seems to be more of a carbine plus type of offering. If that makes sense.

I for one am also not surprised at the lack of tritium or fiber optic on the scope. The acogs I used had a lot of things I liked but the illumination system was not one of them. We used duct tape to adjust the illumination during the day, and learned to live with what it was at night. We did pre-combat checks and inspections before every op and every other piece of gear had batteries that were regularly checked and changed. I would have gladly had a battery in my acog in exchange for usable adjustable illumination. There is a reason that trijicon's fiber/tritium illuminated optics have lost a lot of ground to battery powered products like the aimpoint, eotech, Elcan, and even trijicon's own battery powered products. Trijicon is just reacting to the market. Companies either evolve or they die.

For the average Marine Rifleman this could be a worthwhile evolution of the Jesus scope, other than the increased weight. Now is it is a better choice than the Elcan at that price? I remain unconvinced, but I have not seen one of these in person yet alone shot it extensively. Nor do I believe that the VCOG was created in a vacuum.
 
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For what this was developed for (the Squad Common Optic) I'd say this is a pretty good effort to make something tough, fairly idiot proof, with a common battery type found in every locale of the world for the average Soldier vs the watch battery of the Leupold.

For those that have messed with it, how's the daylight illumination? One of the things I do not care for with the Leupold is the etch illumination.
 
This might actually be one of those scopes to watch... especially if the 'new-tech' daylight illumination is as good as BigJimFish says it is.
If it's as bright as a Red-Dot / ACOG at low magnification, and FFP detailed at high magnification... it could well be a winner.
 
I think there are some valid points about Trijicon being late to the game with their 1-6. but I think the one thing we can be confident in is the ruggedness of this product compared to the competition. Trijicon has huge military market, maybe even bigger than their civilian market so you know that being combat tested and approved is going to be one of their biggest priorities.
 
Field of view comparisons at 100yds, VCOG and some other popular scopes.

Trijicon VCOG 1-6x - 95-15.9
Trijicon TR24 1-4x - 97.5-24.2
Leupold MK6 1-6X - 105.8-19.3
Vortex Razor 1-6x - 115.2-20.5
Swarovski Z6i 1-6x - 127.5-20.4
Kahles K16i 1-6x - 134-21.6