So I've spent some time shopping around and so far these have been my favorite scopes out of all. Both are offered with the Tremor or MOAR reticles and both are only demo models because that kept them in my price range (~2000$ cap). I will be shooting both 308 and 6.5 cm but mostly 308. mostly between 100-500 yds, but occasionally being able to go to a range that has a 1200 yard target. AND possibly (in the future) moving out to CO where my options for ELR are more plentiful. I would like to know how these two scopes square up and the experiences some of y'all have had with them. Good and Bad