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Kentucky bans hog hunting....
...no seriously they did

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Kentucky Finalizes Hog Hunting Ban

In Kentucky, the Department of Fish & Wildlife Resources (KDFWR) is finalizing a ban on hog hunting following a vote by the state’s commission in December. According to the agency, hunting is working against eradication and trapping efforts by educating wild pigs, making them nocturnal and...
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Looks like a special interest entity (trappers) have paid off the right people.

How would those SOB's like it if hunters paid off more people and got trapping banned.

Corrupt officials and greedy SOB's.

A trapper came in on adjacent property and put the hurt to the hog population,

All we wanted to do is harvest what we can eat and kill the larger more destructive hogs.

Hell we had figured out that by moving feeders around we could plow up planting areas for grass and game plots.

The state will sell a limited amount of trapping permits and you wont be able to get one for your own property.

Hogs will overpopulate your property and you can't shoot them or trap them and will have to pay a trapper to do it.

The trappers will never keep the hogs killed out, stupid to belive they will hurt themseves monitarally.

In Texas we can trap, shoot from helicopters use bows guns spears dogs and occasionally ourselves as bait.

Better off leving hunters alone since a pen full of dead hogs can't be sold.
 
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Well for one that was poorly written and even more poorly explained.

There are some states that have banned it because they don’t want commercial or recreational concerns setting up shop in the state. Encouraging or even aided in the hog population growth. I may not completely agree with it, but I understand it.

They don’t say that here though. What they said doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. You shooting hogs at night in your fields over here in this part of your property/town/county/state is going to educate them to avoid traps over in this other part? Pigs are smart but that’s a bit much.

State biologists protecting their jobs just a bit maybe? More meddling and government control.
 
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People will still shoot the destructive little bastards on thier own property.
Tell me I'm wrong.
Have seen places in Texas that have gone all out on them, helicopter, traps, thermal and still can't kill enough of them.
If you get rid of them you just have more from other areas move in, they are like coyotes as you can't kill enough of them.
 
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lariat said:
Well, if you can’t hunt what are you going to do o with trap-wise pigs. I have traps and those assholes will root right up to the door and stop.

Only thing left is snares and that becomes dicey regarding non-target catches.
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Yea I was setting snares for coyotes and caught a poor dog one time… felt terrible.

I Never set another snare
 
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XLR308 said:
Have seen places in Texas that have gone all out on them, helicopter, traps, thermal and still can't kill enough of them.
If you get rid of them you just have more from other areas move in, they are like coyotes as you can't kill enough of them.
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Texas is worse than Florida but they are moving into neighborhoods and destroying rich gated communities but nothing is done. The .gov could feed the homeless and illegals with all the swine but that's not good enough I guess, or enough graft money to pacify the politicians who knows.
And as you said you can't kill them fast enough.......
 
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Poison and snares / leg traps are not my thing.
I will fight the use of poison.

Snares and leg traps can cause unwanted by catch in some areas
but I don't want to ban them when used properly.

Then there are the live traps for hogs.
Perfect. I doubt much if any bycatch damage.
They take a bite out of the problem.

But they never get them all and you still need hunters.
Taking hunters out of the equation is the most self serving bullshit ever.

Right now hog trappers and hunters coexist in Texas.
Each landowner should be able to chose without state mandates that are probably more
about anti hunting than anything else.
 
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lariat said:
Well, if you can’t hunt what are you going to do o with trap-wise pigs. I have traps and those assholes will root right up to the door and stop.

Only thing left is snares and that becomes dicey regarding non-target catches.
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This. I haven't trapped a pig in my ao in at least ten years. They root up to the door and all around a trap but they absolutely will not go in. I've wired the doors/gates open for months and all I did was grow corn in the traps lol. They ain't dumb.

But evidently the elected officials of Kentucky are.
 
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I wonder if there are lawyers there that are salivating over the lawsuits for damages/loss of crops that they may be bringing against the state on behalf of property owners since the state will no longer let property owners protect their property?
 
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kc7pwx said:
I wonder if there are lawyers there that are salivating over the lawsuits for damages/loss of crops that they may be bringing against the state on behalf of property owners since the state will no longer let property owners protect their property?
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Have you seen the price per bale of alfalfa recently ?
Then look at what a sounder of pigs can do to a field in short order.
Looks like the impact zone on an artillery range.
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XLR308 said:
Have you seen the price per bale of alfalfa recently ?
Then look at what a sounder of pigs can do to a field in short order.
Looks like the impact zone on an artillery range.
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That's a big mess.

You need hunters trappers dogs a chopper and a happy switch .

Some hunters actually pay to shoot hogs, maybe you could recoup some costs that way?

How about a driven hog hunt like they do in Europe?
 
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IronSkillet said:
With an estimated wild hog population between 1000-10,000, wouldn’t a bounty on each dead hog brought in be more effective and way cheaper? Put a small incentive and see how many people actively participate in fixing the problem.
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Kentucky is lucky that it usually gets cold enough to keep the wild hog population somewhat in check.
Wait until the Eurasian boars and hybrids are more established and wide spread and that will change.
And yes the bounty system can be fairly effective with enough participation.
 
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Yeah, something "underlying" is going on, here. Either the "trapper" industry or PETA / Vegans or something. I've had feral hogs tear up my back yard, here in FL. But, because of county firearm ordinances (no discharging a weapon in a densely populated area, except for HD/SD) , I'm not allowed to shoot them. I'd have to have at least 1 mile, in all directions between neighbors, before I could. And I can't even begin to fathom the Animal Cruelty laws, here.

If Kentucky (and those other States) won't allow hog hunting, then pork meat producers should "embargo" their products from those states. That'll teach 'em!
 
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What is done is KS is that hunting was closed other than to the landowner. Hogs were shot by HELO in snow covered ground. It has nearly eradicated them last I heard.

The issue with hunting was that the local rednecks would go to Texas and buy hogs, release them on other peoples land and then try to get permission to hunt them. I think the fine for releasing a hog is 10,000. Not sure if per hog or per event.

So, there is some logic to banning general public hog hunting if the other parts of control are acted upon.
 
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Lots of ignorance in this thread imho. Everyone wants to talk big game about how hogs are horrible and destructive and they wish every single one was gone, blah blah blah. But just look at how many people in Texas actually sell hog hunts... at this point it's in landowners best interests for hogs to STICK AROUND, and they know that even though they'll never say it.

Kentucky has taken away that financial incentive to land owners, so now wild hogs are not a source of income and only a destructive nuisance. I damn near guarantee this will plummet their population now that a landowners only recourse is the only actually effective means of control.

You still should be able to kill any on your own property, just like any other depredation situation.

I'd like to find a pest control service that will pay me to come get rid of my critters lol :rolleyes:
 
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Megalodong said:
Lots of ignorance in this thread imho. Everyone wants to talk big game about how hogs are horrible and destructive and they wish every single one was gone, blah blah blah. But just look at how many people in Texas actually sell hog hunts... at this point it's in landowners best interests for hogs to STICK AROUND, and they know that even though they'll never say it.

Kentucky has taken away that financial incentive to land owners, so now wild hogs are not a source of income and only a destructive nuisance. I damn near guarantee this will plummet their population now that a landowners only recourse is the only actually effective means of control.

You still should be able to kill any on your own property, just like any other depredation situation.

I'd like to find a pest control service that will pay me to come get rid of my critters lol :rolleyes:
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Do you farm? I have yet to find a rancher that has had lepto or tric get in their herd from pigs contaminating feed or a farmer that has lost thousands of dollars in crops and busted implements from holes want them around. Are some doing it? Sure, but that is a minority of those who depend upon their land and/or cattle to make money. Lots of trappers around here working farms and ranches and even then there isn’t a dent in them.

We had a huge sounder get on top of a long row of wheat hay and absolutely destroy it, along with shitting and pissing on them. Nothing to do but burn it so it doesn’t infect the cows. That impacts how many head that can be overwintered. People who don’t live that life don’t understand just how deep the financial impact can be. Yes, we want them all gone.
 
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I grew up in it and know plenty of people that still farm. If hunting is the answer let every Tom, Dick, and Harry sign a waiver and come shoot pigs on your land for free. Newsflash, that won't make a dent either.

The way to get rid of them is a concerted, systematic effort, and making sure there is zero incentive to anyone for them to be around.

My statement about landowners wanting them around was too general, and I agree wrong for a lot of them, my mistake. But the outrage about banning hunting in this thread is misplaced. Allowing there to be a industry created around recreationally hunting an invasive species does more harm than good and allows for a lot of conflict of interest.
 
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RTH1800 said:
What is done is KS is that hunting was closed other than to the landowner. Hogs were shot by HELO in snow covered ground. It has nearly eradicated them last I heard.

The issue with hunting was that the local rednecks would go to Texas and buy hogs, release them on other peoples land and then try to get permission to hunt them. I think the fine for releasing a hog is 10,000. Not sure if per hog or per event.

So, there is some logic to banning general public hog hunting if the other parts of control are acted upon.
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I am surprised it took so long for someone to say it.
Most of the problems have indeed been created by assholes releasing them in areas were they weren't previously a problem for either financial gain or just sporting opportunity.
 
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This is what happens when some DEI freak from a city with a college degree in agricultural related fields and nothing but regurgitated book facts manage to find their way into a governmental agency in an agricultural state. And that is putting it mildly, as incompetence. What many are already aware, is that there is an active low level war against farmers and ranchers across the country. From lead ammunition bans that started in the early 2000s, to curtailing of water in some states, anti hunting regs in others, ordinances against outdoor gun ranges, etc., in the end these all boil down to an active campaign against any form of self sufficiency. The small farmers and moderate size farm/ranch operators suffer the most because their livelihoods are literally being destroyed by lawfare, leaving them with no alternative but be absorbed by a factory operations monopoly.
 
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Blue Sky Country said:
This is what happens when some DEI freak from a city with a college degree in agricultural related fields and nothing but regurgitated book facts manage to find their way into a governmental agency in an agricultural state. And that is putting it mildly, as incompetence. What many are already aware, is that there is an active low level war against farmers and ranchers across the country. From lead ammunition bans that started in the early 2000s, to curtailing of water in some states, anti hunting regs in others, ordinances against outdoor gun ranges, etc., in the end these all boil down to an active campaign against any form of self sufficiency. The small farmers and moderate size farm/ranch operators suffer the most because their livelihoods are literally being destroyed by lawfare, leaving them with no alternative but be absorbed by a factory operations monopoly.
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I wonder what will happen when they raise another 3 percent tax on tea.
 
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Ronws said:
I wonder what will happen when they raise another 3 percent tax on tea.
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They WERE going to ban menthol cigs at one point, then relinquished at the last second. They are malicious, but smart. They knew that a menthol ban would result in an immediate throwback to the 1920s again, but the modern St. Valentines Day Massacre would be carried out by du-rag wearing guys with Glock switches and Mac-11s, and of course, their state agents may very well end up getting sniped again. Chicago's Cabrini Green gangbangers, especially the GDs and the Vice Lords did not hesitate to murk cops back in the early 2000s when it suited them. Right now it is mostly hoodrat on hoodrat violence, but they know that will change immediately if they went after menthol cigarettes and other "iconic" things...

ETA: They keep harassing us because somehow they view us as the softer and easier alternative compared to other sectors of society. Even though our sector holds the overwhelming majority of guns, shooting and outdoor skills, and martial training, the vast majority of our sector just want to go to work, go back home, make sure our families always have food, are warm during the winter, cool during the summer, etc. Our shooting is mostly limited to the range, organized sports, hunting, and historical reenactments. Whereas other sectors of society live in a constant state of urban guerrilla war and the merciless attitude and paranoia that is associated with it. They rarely pick on these sectors because these guys live as hardened killers 24/7/365 right on our streets and it is only a matter of self interest that will see these people turn from killing each other to turning their sights on the suits and bluecoats.
 
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Sometimes anger is misplaced. With proper management, eradication of hogs is possible. Kansas has nearly done so and banning general public hunting was a part of it.
A rancher can shoot or designate a shooter but the average redneck has no incentive to buy and release hogs.
No commercial incentive as well.
 
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RTH1800 said:
Sometimes anger is misplaced. With proper management, eradication of hogs is possible. Kansas has nearly done so and banning general public hunting was a part of it.
A rancher can shoot or designate a shooter but the average redneck has no incentive to buy and release hogs.
No commercial incentive as well.
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Hunting is one of the supplementary methods that can be quite efficient if applied the right way though... And they are a good source of compost too. Majority of hogs are not eaten by the hunters, but are put into the compost roller. If one knows how to compost, that is one way to becoming truely self sufficient.
 
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No one is picking up hogs to compost. They’re being left where they die to be eaten by scavengers.

Interestingly, state and federal health regs prevent donations of wild pigs to the hunters for the hungry charity. But, live wild hogs can be taken to a slaughter facility and the meat sold. And, a trailer full of live wild hogs can be sold at auction. (Texas)

I’ve been saying it for years that it is lunacy to think that paying clients are “helping ranches with their hog problem.” Hog hunts are windfall profits to these ranches. If the hogs were a problem, the ranches would be paying the hunters to shoot them.

Just like the thousands of head of members of “endangered species” that were killed behind high fences when the feds changed the rules on permitted harvesting of them- and dramatically reduced the economic incentive for ranches holding them- animals that are not profitable will be eliminated from the line at the feed trough.

Hogs are destructive. But, the greenest piece of pasture on our deer lease was “root plowed” by a sounder of hogs about 5 years ago. It’s a rough few acres to drive over, but it has the lushest grass on the property. Looked like the land owner had come through with machinery, but it all happened over 1 night.
 
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Every State runs on graft and corruption, Texas is no primadona big oil gas the mic get what they want and create a lot of jobs.
They take care of most of the grease needed.

I like it that way since now our polititions don't in general want to piss off hunters / gun owners as they are both cash crops around here as well and treated with some respect.
 
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Snuby642 said:
Every State runs on graft and corruption, Texas is no primadona big oil gas the mic get what they want and create a lot of jobs.
They take care of most of the grease needed.

I like it that way since now our polititions don't in general want to piss off hunters / gun owners as they are both cash crops around here as well and treated with some respect.
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Note to self, don't go hunting with Dick Cheney.
 
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This is Kentucky's answer to the problem.

95% of land in Kentucky is privately owned. If you are a farmer or rancher would you want people you don't know to come onto your land.

I've only lived here a relatively short time but think Kentucky Fish and Wildlife is doing a pretty good job. It is one of the few states without CWD and is able to export health deer to other states that have been plagued.
 
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B y r o n said:
If you are a farmer or rancher would you want people you don't know to come onto your land.
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This is part of living in the North East that I never could get accustomed to. Entering private land without landowner permission is a misdemeanor in TX. And, there are places where that is the good outcome…
 
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