No trial for Ashli Babbit shooting

[ken226]

All good points.

Do you know how to say them in Mandarin after the US collapses from our admittedly shitty policies?

Countries such as yours get to behave in a fiscally socialist manner because the US Military is keeping you alive.

They seemed fine with the American military industrial capacity back in the 40s.

I wonder what Australia would look like now had the US not won the battle of the Coral Sea. They would have alot more Toyotas

The Battle of the Coral Sea

The Battle for Australia 1942 - 1945 >> The Darkest and Finest time

www.battleforaustralia.asn.au

Maybe he's right. We shouldn't have got involved .

 

[seanh]

n

not the sage comments i was looking for

In This Crowd? You have unrealistic expectations.

 

[theLBC]

A few points, the fascism you guys are labelling as "conservatism" has proven not to be stable anywhere, it doesn't "work". Your "left wing" democratic party is still neoliberal right wing imperialist fuck the poor bomb everyone to make arms manufacturers rich and wonder why the rest of the world hates you spec. You don't have a left wing party and the amount of corporate control boot licking and hilarious "freedom" rubbish you carry on with is embarrassing. You "hate" criminals but support policy which generates more of them. Apparently the public funded health systems in pretty much every other developed nation are the devil for some reason too.

coming from down under, i think you have forgotten, or perhaps never knew what "conservatism" means.
in the most basic terms, being a "conservative" simply means you support traditional family values and standards of morality and decency.

 

[Gommer]

coming from down under, i think you have forgotten, or perhaps never knew what "conservatism" means.
in the most basic terms, being a "conservative" simply means you support traditional family values and standards of morality and honesty.

Xenophobe
Racist
Bigot!
[insert alt-left freak voice screeching]

I forget the rest, need coffee.

I will add, you also forgot that conservatism means you know which bathroom to use.

 

[The King]

Perhaps it is because I am a stickler for details and facts. Or perhaps it is because I am a jackass, and realize how much this badly written document uses all forms of back-tracking-double-talk, I give the D.C. Jury instructions which are used when a person claims either Castle Doctrine, OR, self defense. It has additional language for the use of Deadly force.

Everyone has been bantering back and forth on this issue without looking at the court recognized statutes. Here they are, and due to the way it was written, everyone was right, and everyone was wrong. Everyone will find segments that supported their view, and their opponents will find segments which justify their view as well. It is screwed up, but then, what else would we expect of a legal document, which was created in Washington D.C.

Final analysis, this document has multiple options for jury instructions. If a judge wishes to put the thumb on the scale which would lead to a verdict of innocence, he would use one of the more favorable sets of jury instructions. If on the other hand, the judge felt the need for a harsher rendering from the jury, he would use one of the other sets of instructions. The jury instructions sets the "tone" of considerations. This amazing variability in "standardized jury instruction sets" allows justice to be Strongly Steered. As a special note, I suspect there may be something similar in all of our home towns.

Warning: it is a total of 31 pages in length.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/page_content/attachments/District Law Pertaining to Self Defense.pdf

This is a decent reply and full of information.

It seems to clearly state that absent a reasonably defined lethal threat only non-lethal force is authorized for defending a dwelling or business.

My main issue is when someone is standing in a platoon of identically trained heavily armed police who have been present for several minutes...who are looking at the actions of the deceased as they occur...and none decided lethal force was authorized...then the reasonableness test obviously needs scrutiny.

From a jury.

Secondly, due to my work situation, I have more than a passing knowledge of how this should have gone down. I would have immediately fired any officer under my command who fired back at my tactical team to take out a threat that was inches away from them and that they were aware of.

The officer closest to the threat who is aware of the threat is always responsible for handling said threat until the threat is ended or that officer is incapacitated. You never shoot at, around, or over an officer into a threat that is in their area of responsibility.

And finally - if this shoot was within policy, training for this department, and the legal envelope of protected activity then all of those things are fucked up and need scrutiny.

Wise government policies don’t materially and substantially contribute to a Civil War.

 

[Slides]

China will eclipse you soon enough with the way your politics is now anyway, and it is no longer communist, has more billionares than anywhere else, yes a partially managed economy but your government bails out banks and has been going to unnecessary wars for the last 70 years to keep arms manufacturers in business too, as a kicker most of your big corporations have been outsourcing manufacturing to China to increase profits (including Trump's merchandise ). It was the Russians who won the war in Europe and would have rolled into Japan eventually, no doubt the nukes and ships from the US shut things down more quickly in the pacific.

Providing a basic level of care to people is far cheaper and provides better quality of life to the whole population thanks to reduced crime than this "freedom to die of easily curable diseases" in the richest country on earth.

Not wearing rose tinted glasses, you still need a military and you still need managers with a bit of cunt in them but you guys have turned the cunt to 11 despite being incredibly prosperous.

 

[Slides]

Are you suggesting Trump is honest? Mr Bone spurs multiple affair multiple wife grub is a shining light of family values? What about all the Republicans that shed stocks after private COVID briefings early last year while telling the public it was a hoax?

 

[The King]

China will eclipse you soon enough with the way your politics is now anyway, and it is no longer communist, has more billionares than anywhere else, yes a partially managed economy but your government bails out banks and has been going to unnecessary wars for the last 70 years to keep arms manufacturers in business too, as a kicker most of your big corporations have been outsourcing manufacturing to China to increase profits (including Trump's merchandise ). It was the Russians who won the war in Europe and would have rolled into Japan eventually, no doubt the nukes and ships from the US shut things down more quickly in the pacific.

Providing a basic level of care to people is far cheaper and provides better quality of life to the whole population thanks to reduced crime than this "freedom to die of easily curable diseases" in the richest country on earth.

Not wearing rose tinted glasses, you still need a military and you still need managers with a bit of cunt in them but you guys have turned the cunt to 11 despite being incredibly prosperous.

We are aware.

However, I think its hilarious how many Europeans and other similar leftists show up here to gloat. When we go, and China wins over us...you are going to die. Literally.

China is so racist that they kill people who are more or less identical to them genetically. And harvest them for their organs.

And you, a bunch of white people, are right fucking there and have less of a military budget than Taiwan does.

So instead of assriding us in a smarmy fashion and gloating...you should be utterly fucking terrified and do anything you can to try to prop up the US situation.

 

[theLBC]

China will eclipse you soon enough with the way your politics is now anyway, and it is no longer communist, has more billionares than anywhere else, yes a partially managed economy but your government bails out banks and has been going to unnecessary wars for the last 70 years to keep arms manufacturers in business too, as a kicker most of your big corporations have been outsourcing manufacturing to China to increase profits (including Trump's merchandise ). It was the Russians who won the war in Europe and would have rolled into Japan eventually, no doubt the nukes and ships from the US shut things down more quickly in the pacific.

Providing a basic level of care to people is far cheaper and provides better quality of life to the whole population thanks to reduced crime than this "freedom to die of easily curable diseases" in the richest country on earth.

Not wearing rose tinted glasses, you still need a military and you still need managers with a bit of cunt in them but you guys have turned the cunt to 11 despite being incredibly prosperous.

i have been to hong kong, bejing and the new territories. something tells me you know nothing about china.

 

[theLBC]

It Was All a Set Up: Even NYT Admits Police Ordered to Stand Down on January 6th - Yet the DOJ and FBI Are Harassing and Indicting Innocent Americans Proving They are Corrupt | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

The Capitol Police on January 6th were given orders to stand down. Pelosi refused Trump’s offer before that day for National Guard troops at the Capitol. Director Wray continues to lie and say there was no evidence of Antifa at the Capitol that day. Now the DOJ is indicting innocent Americans...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Blutroop]

A few points, the fascism you guys are labelling as "conservatism" has proven not to be stable anywhere, it doesn't "work". Your "left wing" democratic party is still neoliberal right wing imperialist fuck the poor bomb everyone to make arms manufacturers rich and wonder why the rest of the world hates you spec. You don't have a left wing party and the amount of corporate control boot licking and hilarious "freedom" rubbish you carry on with is embarrassing. You "hate" criminals but support policy which generates more of them. Apparently the public funded health systems in pretty much every other developed nation are the devil for some reason too.

Bad enough we got Americans on here that don’t know what they are talking about.

And now we have another Australian trying to tell us what we are doing wrong..

We’re were you when guns were taken away down under?

Does kangaroo taste like chicken?

 

[addertooth]

I remember when Aussies were less "pacifistic". That is one of the problems of gathering a lot of years.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Quick, someone tell me how much money and aid Australia sends to the rest of the world!!! Some of the reason America is floundering is because we have been focused on doing stuff for others instead of ourselves for too long. Granted I’ll give you that some of that money is highly likely taken by our own politicians but when it comes to worldly things and helping others, nobody beats America. Perhaps we should focus solely on us and not everyone else. And next time a foreign power invades a smaller country and rolls right over them, we shouldn’t render aid. Just saying.

 

[theLBC]

I remember when Aussies were less "pacifistic". That is one of the problems of gathering a lot of years.

i am not even sure that is true, but like here, there are two types of aussies.
the ones that you would be happy to serve along side, and the ones like the sheila posting here.

 

[Baron23]

A few points, the fascism you guys are labelling as "conservatism" has proven not to be stable anywhere, it doesn't "work". Your "left wing" democratic party is still neoliberal right wing imperialist fuck the poor bomb everyone to make arms manufacturers rich and wonder why the rest of the world hates you spec. You don't have a left wing party and the amount of corporate control boot licking and hilarious "freedom" rubbish you carry on with is embarrassing. You "hate" criminals but support policy which generates more of them. Apparently the public funded health systems in pretty much every other developed nation are the devil for some reason too.

How's that gun control working out for you Down Under's.....talk about fascism. Wow.

 

[Romeo458]

This guy does not look like that guy. He looks a little lighter of skin tone in my opinion. At the bottom of that page they have a headline about how her shooting was a false flag.

That is all I have to say on this matter commence arguing with one another.

 

[Slides]

I have a safe full of guns. I can shoot on private and some public land. I'm not so scared to walk down the street that I need to carry a firearm. I am objectively safer in my community than the vast majority of you. That is freedom, not being terrified I will get jumped for my walled because the big end of town needs another mega yaght while convincing you real wage deflation over the last 20 years is a good thing and your neighbour is your competitor, not the guy buying off politicians.

The US "AID" is in the most part bombing Brown kids in hospitals or selling weapons to those that do, again, you then wonder why other people aren't massive fans of your foreign policy.

As for "looking after our own" before others have a look at your GDP and productivity growth over the last 70 years then have a look what proportion in the last 40 years has been delivered back to you in services, infrastructure and median or minimum income growth. You have been taken for a massive ride with this trickle down economics rubbish. It isn't real conservatism, it's a swindle. Look at the tax rates that built all of your infrastructure and the CEO to shop floor wage ratios at that time and tell me the mediam income US worker has more "freedom" relative to someone in an advanced economy anywhere else in the world now then you did then.

I have no doubt the current Chinese and Russian administrations are happy to be very nasty to people who get in their way but if you look from the outside the US is exactly the same. Unfortunately and the indoctrination of religion plays into this, you genuinely think you are different to any other imperialist empire playing world cop on behalf of your corporates, who again were more than happy to sell out employment and manufacturing capabilities in your country to line their pockets.

 

[quietmike]

I have a safe full of guns. I can shoot on private and some public land. I'm not so scared to walk down the street that I need to carry a firearm. I am objectively safer in my community than the vast majority of you. That is freedom, not being terrified I will get jumped for my walled because the big end of town needs another mega yaght while convincing you real wage deflation over the last 20 years is a good thing and your neighbour is your competitor, not the guy buying off politicians.

The US "AID" is in the most part bombing Brown kids in hospitals or selling weapons to those that do, again, you then wonder why other people aren't massive fans of your foreign policy.

As for "looking after our own" before others have a look at your GDP and productivity growth over the last 70 years then have a look what proportion in the last 40 years has been delivered back to you in services, infrastructure and median or minimum income growth. You have been taken for a massive ride with this trickle down economics rubbish. It isn't real conservatism, it's a swindle. Look at the tax rates that built all of your infrastructure and the CEO to shop floor wage ratios at that time and tell me the mediam income US worker has more "freedom" relative to someone in an advanced economy anywhere else in the world now then you did then.

I have no doubt the current Chinese and Russian administrations are happy to be very nasty to people who get in their way but if you look from the outside the US is exactly the same. Unfortunately and the indoctrination of religion plays into this, you genuinely think you are different to any other imperialist empire playing world cop on behalf of your corporates, who again were more than happy to sell out employment and manufacturing capabilities in your country to line their pockets.

 

[Slides]

Yeah, flawless victory mate. Works great with half your manufacturing in Chyyyna doesn't it? Waste trillions on weapons systems but give your manufacturing capability away to your biggest threat, big brain time.

The joke is the big boys don't take any risk as they get bailed out with your tax dollars when they fall over.

 

[RGStory]

It's exactly the point.
Have you ever got a pass? I'd like to know how to get one cuz at the time assistant director to the Department of interior couldn't get one.

I have, several times. I don't know what the circumstances were that would prevent someone at the DOI from obtaining one. Perhaps you tried to obtain a pass too late on a date planned for debate on an important bill or vote?

The process is quite simple. Contact your senator or representative. Their office or a member of their staff will be able to give you one. If you have troubles with that route, try calling other senatorial offices. They didn't ask too many questions. I even had a staff member nice enough to wait for me at the curb, South Dakota if I recall correctly.

If you are military, call the military liaison officer for your particular branch. You can find their contact information here: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/98-446.pdf

Sometimes, I would just call the Airforce Liaison, because lets face it, they are just nice folks. I wouldn't try the Coast Guard, they struck me as being just a little too excited to hear from somebody/anybody.

Retired military? Swing by One Constitution Ave. The ROA has some good resources to help you navigate around DC and likely will have someone there that can point you in the right direction.

 

[Snuby642]

You have less freedoms in Australia than in the USA.

I'm not going to start a list but being able to shoot " some of your extensive gun collection on public lands " is a good hint.

I walk into the grocery store the bank the liquor store and the burger shop strapped because I can.

I open carry in some places because I can, fuck ANYONE that doesn't like it.

Your country lost controll long ago because of people like you.

 

[ken226]

Not to mention, what ole Slides is allowed to have in his gun safe, vs what is our fundamental right to have in ours.

 

[Snuby642]

I normally get along with the Aussie's but wonder if this one is just a poser.

Sounds liberal to me.

I don't think advice on the Second Amendment from Australia is a good idea.

Our foreign policies come and go and I have been in service at locations that the general public didn't like them.

I apologize for not having enough rank to modify them to your liking.

 

[ken226]

They tend to trust their government completely.

Sure, why not let the government disarm you? I mean, governments dont commit mass murder, or genocide, right?
.

I suppose, if someday the benevolent, trustworthy government ended up with an asshole in charge, and decided to murder anyone who likes vegemite sandwiches, they could petition the government to get back their fighting guns.

There are mass graves full of people who once though that shit could never happen here..

 

[seanh]

I have, several times. I don't know what the circumstances were that would prevent someone at the DOI from obtaining one. Perhaps you tried to obtain a pass too late on a date planned for debate on an important bill or vote?

The process is quite simple. Contact your senator or representative. Their office or a member of their staff will be able to give you one. If you have troubles with that route, try calling other senatorial offices. They didn't ask too many questions. I even had a staff member nice enough to wait for me at the curb, South Dakota if I recall correctly.

If you are military, call the military liaison officer for your particular branch. You can find their contact information here: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/98-446.pdf

Sometimes, I would just call the Airforce Liaison, because lets face it, they are just nice folks. I wouldn't try the Coast Guard, they struck me as being just a little too excited to hear from somebody/anybody.

Retired military? Swing by One Constitution Ave. The ROA has some good resources to help you navigate around DC and likely will have someone there that can point you in the right direction.

Thanks for the info.
Maybe times of changed. Remember, my mother-in-law was the assistant director for the Department of interior. She was literally in the Capitol Building pretty much every day (CNN interviews/reports)... she couldn't get me in with 30 days notice nor could she get in to see Congress in session ( yes, they were voting on a bill or debating something... Hence, in session) Which was really screwy because I could meet them in their office.

What we were able to do was get the personal (not the group tour, just my wife my step daughter and myself... really fuckn cool) guided tour through the capital, Washington monument, Mall Etc. Just couldn't get in where Congress was... thought that's what we were talking about, maybe I missed it.

No, I don't claim to be a veteran possessing a DD - 214. Just worked contract with those guys. Should have gone career Navy.

And you're right about the Air Force guys. Really, just a completely different breed. Even the spec ops (forget what their Advanced teams are called) are really nice.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I have a safe full of guns. I can shoot on private and some public land. I'm not so scared to walk down the street that I need to carry a firearm. I am objectively safer in my community than the vast majority of you. That is freedom, not being terrified I will get jumped for my walled because the big end of town needs another mega yaght while convincing you real wage deflation over the last 20 years is a good thing and your neighbour is your competitor, not the guy buying off politicians.

The US "AID" is in the most part bombing Brown kids in hospitals or selling weapons to those that do, again, you then wonder why other people aren't massive fans of your foreign policy.

As for "looking after our own" before others have a look at your GDP and productivity growth over the last 70 years then have a look what proportion in the last 40 years has been delivered back to you in services, infrastructure and median or minimum income growth. You have been taken for a massive ride with this trickle down economics rubbish. It isn't real conservatism, it's a swindle. Look at the tax rates that built all of your infrastructure and the CEO to shop floor wage ratios at that time and tell me the mediam income US worker has more "freedom" relative to someone in an advanced economy anywhere else in the world now then you did then.

I have no doubt the current Chinese and Russian administrations are happy to be very nasty to people who get in their way but if you look from the outside the US is exactly the same. Unfortunately and the indoctrination of religion plays into this, you genuinely think you are different to any other imperialist empire playing world cop on behalf of your corporates, who again were more than happy to sell out employment and manufacturing capabilities in your country to line their pockets.

I really question whether you are actually from Australia. You claim to be, but based on the post above your English sucks. Perhaps Chinese posing as an Aussie? That would certainly explain your love for the communists. Have you actually traveled the world? Been to any of these countries you favor? I have been a lot of places for various reasons, some shitholes and some socialist countries that were actually pretty nice but still not as good as the old USA on certain levels. Not going to lie tho, on the outside some of these places are beautiful and many people love their countries but when you really start talking to normal folks you find out a lot of times that what you see is window dressing. I would have loved to take 10 weeks paternity leave when my youngest child was born, like Norway offers and it’s a beautiful country as well but there are other aspects that I don’t necessarily love. But we are comparing apples to oranges as each country is unique in their own right. Let me just skip all the BS and cut to the chase, if America is so bad then why the hell do we have so many people from all over the world begging to get in?

PS You also cannot compare wealth and growth rates like you are doing for reasons I posted above. Apples and oranges. Hell at the most simplistic form it’s easier for Australia to look like it’s more successful simply because of the population numbers alone. Notice where the USA is at. Here let me get you started:

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Economy

There is one thing we completely agree on tho, our leadership these days sucks ass!

 

[quietmike]

Yeah, flawless victory mate. Works great with half your manufacturing in Chyyyna doesn't it? Waste trillions on weapons systems but give your manufacturing capability away to your biggest threat, big brain time.

The joke is the big boys don't take any risk as they get bailed out with your tax dollars when they fall over.

We lost manufacturing thanks to useless lefties who were more concerned with buying votes from welfare whores than the stability of the country.

 

[ken226]

I think I've seen these Aussies mention twice now, that we should have more socialized medicine and public assistance programs. Ya know, like theirs!

We have 59 million americans on welfare. And we have so many jobs, the demand for labor is bringing in hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens. I wonder why we cant get welfare recipients to fill some of those jobs?

Australia's whole fucking population is about 26 million.

1/6 of our entire population already gets that shit free. Paid for by the other 5/6.

Australia has about 2 million on welfare. So every 5 working americans are already supporting a fucking freeloader. But every 12 Aussies has to pay for one freeloader.

And we should do more? GFY.

Want some more "refugees"? I wonder how much safer and more free you'll feel when you get to that 5 to 1 ratio.

 

[MolonIIA]

Say her name!!

 

[The King]

I think I've seen these Aussies mention twice now, that we should have more socialized medicine and public assistance programs. Ya know, like theirs!

We have 59 million americans on welfare. And we have so many jobs, the demand for labor is bringing in hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens. I wonder why we cant get welfare recipients to fill some of those jobs?

Australia's whole fucking population is about 26 million.

1/6 of our entire population already gets that shit free. Paid for by the other 5/6.

Australia has about 2 million on welfare. So every 5 working americans are already supporting a fucking freeloader. But every 12 Aussies has to pay for one freeloader.

And we should do more? GFY.

Want some more "refugees"? I wonder how much safer and more free you'll feel when you get to that 5 to 1

I too would be happy to trade the welfare ratios we have for the ones most of the socialist states have.

In many ways, that ratio here comes from our Liberals putting all of the diverse americans in the Vote Plantation.

Of course, Europe and Australia are trying to catch up. They saw how they could triple their power by having a barely chained junk yard dog out back - in this case typically Muslim extremists - and plan to replicate our system.

Good luck, other soon to be former civilized nations.

 

[seanh]

Say her name!!

Terrorist

 

[Dunraven]

In This Crowd? You have unrealistic expectations.

it wasn't so much the crowd, but..you

 

[The King]

I really question whether you are actually from Australia. You claim to be, but based on the post above your English sucks. Perhaps Chinese posing as an Aussie? That would certainly explain your love for the communists. Have you actually traveled the world? Been to any of these countries you favor? I have been a lot of places for various reasons, some shitholes and some socialist countries that were actually pretty nice but still not as good as the old USA on certain levels. Not going to lie tho, on the outside some of these places are beautiful and many people love their countries but when you really start talking to normal folks you find out a lot of times that what you see is window dressing. I would have loved to take 10 weeks paternity leave when my youngest child was born, like Norway offers and it’s a beautiful country as well but there are other aspects that I don’t necessarily love. But we are comparing apples to oranges as each country is unique in their own right. Let me just skip all the BS and cut to the chase, if America is so bad then why the hell do we have so many people from all over the world begging to get in?

PS You also cannot compare wealth and growth rates like you are doing for reasons I posted above. Apples and oranges. Hell at the most simplistic form it’s easier for Australia to look like it’s more successful simply because of the population numbers alone. Notice where the USA is at. Here let me get you started:

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Economy

There is one thing we completely agree on tho, our leadership these days sucks ass!

Terrorist

Probably right. - these are the Chinese shill accounts of the month.

Since they are about to take Taiwan their propaganda campaign is shifting to creating a divide with Australia because they are next.

None of the actual conservative Aussies I have met were militant about attacking American healthcare in a bizarre and somewhat scripted fashion.

It’s like they almost can’t find a dividing factor - which is good for the rest of us.

 

[Rthur]

China will eclipse you soon enough with the way your politics is now anyway, and it is no longer communist, has more billionares than anywhere else, yes a partially managed economy but your government bails out banks and has been going to unnecessary wars for the last 70 years to keep arms manufacturers in business too, as a kicker most of your big corporations have been outsourcing manufacturing to China to increase profits (including Trump's merchandise ). It was the Russians who won the war in Europe and would have rolled into Japan eventually, no doubt the nukes and ships from the US shut things down more quickly in the pacific.

Providing a basic level of care to people is far cheaper and provides better quality of life to the whole population thanks to reduced crime than this "freedom to die of easily curable diseases" in the richest country on earth.

Not wearing rose tinted glasses, you still need a military and you still need managers with a bit of cunt in them but you guys have turned the cunt to 11 despite being incredibly prosperous.

Being in China's neighborhood you'd think you would realize why this isn't good.
Humorous you spouting socialist healthcare ideals.
Why should I pay for someone else's living expense?

R

 

[quietmike]

Being in China's neighborhood you'd think you would realize why this isn't good.
Humorous you spouting socialist healthcare ideals.
Why should I pay for someone else's living expense?

R

 

[BLEE]

China will eclipse you soon enough with the way your politics is now anyway, and it is no longer communist, has more billionares than anywhere else, yes a partially managed economy but your government bails out banks and has been going to unnecessary wars for the last 70 years to keep arms manufacturers in business too, as a kicker most of your big corporations have been outsourcing manufacturing to China to increase profits (including Trump's merchandise ). It was the Russians who won the war in Europe and would have rolled into Japan eventually, no doubt the nukes and ships from the US shut things down more quickly in the pacific.

Providing a basic level of care to people is far cheaper and provides better quality of life to the whole population thanks to reduced crime than this "freedom to die of easily curable diseases" in the richest country on earth.

Not wearing rose tinted glasses, you still need a military and you still need managers with a bit of cunt in them but you guys have turned the cunt to 11 despite being incredibly prosperous.

Slides, you are mistaken. You really need to take a few truthful world history classes, from the Renaissance, until the present. China is full throttle marxist/communist and totalitarian. China can be nice, if you are doing exactly what they want you to do. If you step outside the line, you may get disappeared to a work camp, or executed.
You are mistaken about Russia. The USA and Britain won the WWII in Europe. The Russians did not "win" eastern Europe. The USA allowed them to take it, for various reasons. Hind sight being 20/20, we should have crossed the Elbe and driven the Russians all the way to Moscow, by whatever means necessary.

 

[BLEE]

A few points, the fascism you guys are labelling as "conservatism" has proven not to be stable anywhere, it doesn't "work". Your "left wing" democratic party is still neoliberal right wing imperialist fuck the poor bomb everyone to make arms manufacturers rich and wonder why the rest of the world hates you spec. You don't have a left wing party and the amount of corporate control boot licking and hilarious "freedom" rubbish you carry on with is embarrassing. You "hate" criminals but support policy which generates more of them. Apparently the public funded health systems in pretty much every other developed nation are the devil for some reason too.

Our patriotism, that YOU GUYS are calling fascism is what made America great. We love the brilliance of our Founding Fathers and the ideals of FREEDOM that they set into motion for us. Slides, you don't understand political science. You should study classical conservatism vs. neo-conservatism. 50 years ago, both Republicans and Democrats were patriotic, USA loving folks. Only fringe groups were anti-American. Now, the fringe has taken over leadership the Democrat party, pushing it toward socialist globalism. The Democrats are Anti-American.
It is a fact that American ingenuity drives health care, even socialized health care, in other countries. Americans pay more for our health care, absorbing R&D costs for the rest of the world to benefit.
Those in the world who hate the USA, are jealous of her success and hate the Liberty she has provided. If not for the USA, the world would be a much different, horrible place. Europe would still be under Nazi rule. Global genocide would have prevailed. Japan would rule over China and the south Pacific, including Australia.
The USA is not perfect, but as its founders intended and the Constitution is written, when following her Christian roots, she is the greatest nation on this planet.

 

[RGStory]

Maybe times of changed. Remember, my mother-in-law was the assistant director for the Department of interior. She was literally in the Capitol Building pretty much every day (CNN interviews/reports)... she couldn't get me in with 30 days notice nor could she get in to see Congress in session ( yes, they were voting on a bill or debating something... Hence, in session) Which was really screwy because I could meet them in their office.

What we were able to do was get the personal (not the group tour, just my wife my step daughter and myself... really fuckn cool) guided tour through the capital, Washington monument, Mall Etc. Just couldn't get in where Congress was... thought that's what we were talking about, maybe I missed it.

Times do change. Perhaps it is no longer as easy as it once was.

Sitting in the gallery was pretty surreal the first time. Even during most debates, the floor is pretty empty except for cameras, a bunch of pages, and the person at the podium.

I remember watching some animated politician vainly making a passionate speech to a completely empty floor. As he was wrapping up, one of the floor pages darted off, as if on cue, to go alert the next speaker that his time was coming up. A couple of minutes later the next speaker walked up with a few papers in hand patiently waiting for his turn to speak. The page returned to their spot squatting off to the side joining the other pages some of whom were leaning against the wall or sitting on the steps looking at their phones.

The first speaker said some nasty things about his democratic colleagues, one in particular. When he finished red face and mock flustered, he coolly walked off podium, shook hands and joked with that very colleague who was next up to speak. They laughed together for a moment before parting.

The next speaker got up to speak and started off fiery as hell pretending to be mad at that very person who just left. Voice falling on an empty room save the few camera crews, the bored pages, a junior politician overseeing the proceedings, a couple of guards and the near empty galleries.

They were just taking turns going on record for free camera time on C-Span. It was all so contrived.

An antiquated system of debate twisted around a modern platform. That was my first experience.

 

[Slides]

I'm curious how genuine left wing policy resulted in offshore growth of manufacturing? It's unregulated capitalism which drives 3rd world manufacturing for increased profit.

Your democratic party is centre right not socialist, you know how we can tell? They support illegal interference in south American countries with democratically elected governments who are slightly to the left, happy installing vicious psychopaths if it looks like it will help a US business spin more of a profit.

I still don't get this absolutely retarded argument of "I'm not paying for someone else's health care" I assume most of you even if quite well off still have health insurance and don't just pay from bank? You understand insurance is a pooled sum which you are not only paying for other people's health care but unnecessary shareholder dividends and a slimy middle man to fuck the secretary? You pay literally an order of magnitude more than most civilised societies for the same level of health care then winge about having those out of pocket costs reduced. Baffling.

And again, the Russians won the war in Europe not you guys. Again, your democratic party is centre right not socialist.

It probably comes back to the bible bashing and making false idols and indoctrination process a large part of your country subscribes to, but it is also hilarious how you carry on about your constitutional right to bear arms when that very bit is an amendment, subject to change like all the rest, let alone the fact half of you were cheering on an attempted dictactor who would happily ignore every law or "right" under the sun to do what was good for him at the time.

 

[Matches Malone]

I'm curious how genuine left wing policy resulted in offshore growth of manufacturing? It's unregulated capitalism which drives 3rd world manufacturing for increased profit.

I still don't get this absolutely retarded argument of "I'm not paying for someone else's health care" I assume most of you even if quite well off still have health insurance and don't just pay from bank? You understand insurance is a pooled sum which you are not only paying for other people's health care but unnecessary shareholder dividends and a slimy middle man to fuck the secretary? You pay literally an order of magnitude more than most civilised societies for the same level of health care then winge about having those out of pocket costs reduced. Baffling.

Health care: First off, it’s not a right. You earn it. Cave men did not need permission to make spears, hunt animals and defend themselves against rival tribes. Basic right.

Having access to Heath care is a luxury. It is a service, provided by 1) private 3rd party or 2) the government which is funded through taxation. it’s like this: as a cave man if you break your leg and need a splint, you have two choices...you make a splint out of sticks or someone can gift you their splint made of sticks. You fund your health care or someone can fund it for you voluntarily.

When you pay into a private insurance, it does go into a pool but your premium is set aside for you and yours. Other people do not have a right to what you pay for, or to tell you what premium you can or can’t have with your money. I mean, I think guys who drive fords are dick suckers but your entitled to use your money as you see fit. None of the Ford guys care about my opinion. They’re free to suck all the dicks.

With government funded medical care...it comes out of your paycheck and that’s that. It lacks freedom of labor and profit incentive, which will forever keep it from being cheaper. Your health care is not better, it just is what it is. Most of us that have been in the military know what government health care looks like, as well as communism. Staff is over worked, under paid, and quite frankly give less shits then normal. You get what you get and you shut the fuck up.

Thats not even talking what that would do to the medical community and the prospects of ever running a private practice...the lack of incentive that provides. Now I know if you look into the UN you’ll see the bullshit about medical care being a right, and to that first I say....the US owns the UN so fuck off, if they were so great at knowing what the fuck was what, then they need to be independent off the tit of the US gov and start leading. (Lol) I say defund them if they disagree. Same thing with Canada..why the fuck do we pay for their defense budget? We also invest in the Australian defense budget. Go figure. I know because I’ve trained some of these fuckers.

User account | Australia in the USA

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Second, it’s bullshit. The private markets have been doing the well for years. It’s a blatant lie to say it’s the same level of health care. I admit that there’s room for improvement, we by far have very good health care through out most of the country’s private facilities.

While your “center left” politicals advocate for gov sponsored universal health care...I’d bet you a bullet to the leg that they will still keep there private health care.
I know Gavin Newsome will.

 

[Matches Malone]

And again, the Russians won the war in Europe not you guys. Again, you democratic party is centre right not socialist.

It probably comes back to the bible bashing and making false idols and indoctrination process a large part of your country subscribes to, but it is also hilarious how you carry on about your constitutional right to bear arms when that very bit is an amendment, subject to change like all the rest, let alone the fact half of you were cheering on an attempted dictactor who would happily ignore every law or "right" under the sun to do what was good for him at the time.

Prove Russian won the war.
I don’t want an opinion piece from some commy loving faggot like you, I want evidence that any reasonable person can see and come this conclusion. Because I know they won the most people killed. It’s universally agreed on in literature. Something like 27 million Ivan’s. I know they won a dictator piece of shit named Stalin, and a debt that was crippling. Timothy C. Dowling estimates that in the 1,417 days of war, the Soviet Union lost the equivalent of the entire US population in 1940 living west of the Mississippi. While the warrior in me can understand the sacrifices made, and understand that what brought russian into the war was the dissolving of the Nazi/soviet pact...the leadership wasn’t there and the Soviets fought like shit. They didn’t win shit by themselves. They held the eastern front. The US and Uk sent them gear and shit. It is what it is.

The win was a joint effort. The allied forces were the turning point in the European front. To include the Aussies. By all available evidence of history.

The Bible bashers are your homies, the “center left” socialist. But again, if your in Australia I personally don’t give a fuck about your opinion of US politics. It’s clear you don’t know shit about fuck, and your a cuck just like your dad. It’s only natural to want to see a country you hate fail and to project your inadequacies because of these feelings. Question is, why are you on a freedom loving forum...if you don’t like freedom?

And it’s important not to care about the opinion of the world stage for this reason. The amount of outside interference and misinformation put into the minds of our vulnerable and retarded countrymen is becoming a problem, thanks in large to internet combined with the failures in the US education system and ultimately parents.

 

[quietmike]

I'm curious how genuine left wing policy resulted in offshore growth of manufacturing?

Because 70% of the entire federal budget goes to entitlement spending, all created by democrats, because leftys are terrified of running their own lives. The ridiculous levels of taxation required for government to play wet nurse to leftys makes it cheaper to move businesses offshore.

I still don't get this absolutely retarded argument of "I'm not paying for someone else's health care" I assume most of you even if quite well off still have health insurance and don't just pay from bank? You understand insurance is a pooled sum which you are not only paying for other people's health care but unnecessary shareholder dividends and a slimy middle man to fuck the secretary? You pay literally an order of magnitude more than most civilised societies for the same level of health care then winge about having those out of pocket costs reduced. Baffling.

If you truly don't understand the difference between a voluntary association and a forced one, I truly feel sorry for your romantic partner(s).

 

[addertooth]

I will back up the words spoken by Americans concerning health care. For those who are paying for private health, they are Gaining a higher level of care, than those who are dependent upon the current "government provided" insurance.

In a very basic (and personal) example, I received a spinal injury. My care through the government funded Veteran's Administration (VA) was limited to pain pills. The VA literally told me "welcome to life-long legal drug addiction". To them, the goal was to reduce my pain low enough, that I could have some quality of life. The level of pain pills they gave (opioids) also numbed my mind to the point where the drugs made it impossible to work my technical job. Long term, it would have meant termination from my employer and being on some kind of government financial support.

But...

I also had private insurance, and they were willing to pay for spinal surgery, once I had completed two full rounds of physical therapy without a positive outcome. I had to push for surgery, but I eventually got it through my private insurance. After the surgery, I was able to perform my life without opioids, I kept my job, and have since seen significant raises. This is a VERY different outcome, than if I relied upon Government Insurance.

Cost of care issues:

Where I work, it is mostly former military veterans. This means that the employees (at some point in their lives), had to meet the minimum health requirements to joint the military (Not Obese, Not Diabetic, Not a drug addict, Not a high risk Felon, Not Blind, Not in Renal Failure, Not Paralyzed, etc)... Further, they had to maintain a more athletic condition past High School age. Or, to summarize, the employee pool had a better "overall quality of health and condition, than the Random and General Public". Because the pool was "healthier than typical" it controlled the cost of healthcare, for those in THAT pool. These factors kept premiums lower, than if the pool had been filled with less healthy people. Even in the general sense, those who are healthy enough to work (anywhere), tend to be healthier than the General pool of a country's overall population.

In the general population, we have people who are too unhealthy to work, due to their Lifestyle Choices. Examples being, the clinically obese, hard drug users, criminals who have been shot by rival gangs, etc. Many people here have a measure of compassion, but that compassion fades when we learn that a person's health conditions are "self inflicted". The care for those who have made exceptionally poor lifestyle choices, tend to be higher (per capita), than those who made good choices. This last factor drives up the cost of care for the "general population" in a rather measurable sense. In all fairness, what it results in is an overburdened public health care system with high costs to the taxpayer. Our Canadian neighbors, who have socialized health care, frequently cross the border into the United States, to gain Immediate care for their health conditions. Even they realize that their socialized health care system has critical limits in care. One of my (former) Canadian co-workers, told me he paid an additional 25% in taxes, as versus his tax rate in the USA. My private health care does not cost me 25% of my income.

In the final calculus, those who are in the working pool of the population, realize they will be paying full boat for the cost of care for themselves (through increased taxation), AND for the non-working, AND for those who have made very bad lifestyle choices. Much of the working public rebels against that notion. We worked hard to get where we are, and don't feel a strong desire to pay-the-way for those who did not apply an equal effort. We tend to believe in "equal effort, for equal outcomes". We shun the notion of "lesser effort, achieving equal outcomes, at the expense of harder workers".

There is a term for forcing another to work for you (or your benefit), without compensation; this is called "slavery". Nobody likes being a slave.

 

[srtsam]

Just to help re-direct this derailed thread.
the shooter is the exact type of person the left wants. A Brazilian immigrant murdering an unarmed women who served her country pretty much sums up what this asshole is all about. While he probably loves this country for the life it has given him, money, home, smoke etc.. way better than the favela I bet.... but at the same time couldn’t give a shit about peoples rights and the principles that make this country great. He just blindly does what his handlers tell him and he will still keep getting a paycheck for more smoke. So,my point is, when people say the gov’t will not go door to door confiscating as no American would do such a thing, I present you the very person that will. A Brazilian immigrant that doesn’t give a shit about rights, principles or shooting unarmed women.

 

[addertooth]

srtsam,

I also find it "novel" that when a police officer shoots a suspect, they do not make such a serious effort to obscure his identity. Officially, the government has not released his name, even to this day. This seems a tad "unequal". It is certainly Curious.

 

[Blutroop]

What happened to ashlie’s body? Was she rushed to be cremated like the capital cop that was allegedly struck with a fire extinguisher only to talk to his brother and say he is fine before dying and being cremated without family’s desire or consent?

 

[wade2big]

Because 70% of the entire federal budget goes to entitlement spending, all created by democrats, because leftys are terrified of running their own lives. The ridiculous levels of taxation required for government to play wet nurse to leftys makes it cheaper to move businesses offshore.

I’m not taking up for the guy that you were replying to. While he made a couple good points, he made 10x the opposite. His point about American leaders selling out our country for profit is spot in though.

It wasn’t and is not just the Dems. Both sides dont give a shit about you. Government doesn’t give a shit about you. The problem is our entire system at this point. Its corrupt. THE WHOLE DAMN THING. There is not one single government entity that isn’t infected. Cancer kills the entire host.

Do not support or back up any one side or even any part of an authoritarian government that allows no representation of its citizens. Our founding fathers didn’t. When they rebelled they divorced from ALL of Britain’s gov’t. Even the “good parts.” The sooner everyone can get this through their heads the better.

 

[goneballistic]

Show me where the peace officers are inviting her specifically in there. You're a special kind of fucking retard aren't you.

You have no fucking clue what you're talkin about whatsoever truly one of the dumbest people I have ever heard from. There doesn't have to be a cause of action, the finding of the jury or judge... All she has to do is be there fuk wit.

Trust me, this is something I know very well about

It's right on the video taken by the antifa plant. Who's still in jail btw.

The police literally just leave and she climbs through a broken window.

Didn't deserver to be executed by a BLM booster.

 

[quietmike]

I’m not taking up for the guy that you were replying to. While he made a couple good points, he made 10x the opposite. His point about American leaders selling out our country for profit is spot in though.

It wasn’t and is not just the Dems. Both sides dont give a shit about you. Government doesn’t give a shit about you. The problem is our entire system at this point. Its corrupt. THE WHOLE DAMN THING. There is not one single government entity that isn’t infected. Cancer kills the entire host.

Do not support or back up any one side or even any part of an authoritarian government that allows no representation of its citizens. Our founding fathers didn’t. When they rebelled they divorced from ALL of Britain’s gov’t. Even the “good parts.” The sooner everyone can get this through their heads the better.

Some government in necessary, lest we devolve into tribal rule like Somalia.

I'm worse on democrats because everything the left offers is based on avoiding personal responsibility and/or getting free stuff, and they take our rights and property toward that end.
Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, Government housing, welfare, food stamps,abortion, gun control, etc.
Then look at what they're proposing. Guaranteed basic income, student loan forgiveness, single payor healthcare...just more shirking responsibility and getting free stuff.

Despite the trendy sounding name, modern "progressivism" is actually regression to infantile dependency where someone else provides all your needs and protects you from anything scary.

Nevermind the hypocrisy necessary to be a leftist.

The death penalty is abhorrent, as even the worst serial killer might be rehabilitated, but let a baby threaten a road whore with consequences.
The police are racist neanderthals looking to kill black people, but only cops should have guns.
Judging people based on skin tone is racist, but white people should admit their privilege and understand black folks are too inept to figure out how to get an ID.
The US is racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, etc., but we should open our borders so more people can experience this hellish landscape.
Michael Moore, Rob Reiner,Noam Chomskey, and other wealthy leftists decry the evils of capitalism.

A person whose ideology is based entirely on taking away your rights and property is no kind of neighbor and certainly no friend.

 

[TexPatriot]

No trial for the Ashley Babbit murder because conservatives are civilized and law abiding.

Meanwhile, 3rd world witch doctor Maxine Waters tells her ghetto goblins to continue to riot and loot if Chauvin is acquitted.

WATCH -- Maxine Waters: Derek Chauvin Must Be 'Guilty, Guilty, Guilty' or We Take to the Streets

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) joined demonstrators Saturday evening outside the police station in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota.

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