Night Vision NOOB with a question

[jeepguy242]

OK, so i have seen these universal night sights that mount in front of day scopes, and i was wondering what they are called and where to purchase one, i googled AN/PVS-22 and found one that is like 10 grand, are they all that expensive?

what would be a decent one to get my feet wet with that wont cost me an arm and a leg? say in the 2000$ price range (if there is one that cheap)

also, i looked at IR illuminators, and it looks like a flashlight that just helps out the night vision optic? is this correct?

if i am totally off her, please correct me on this and let me know some of the options for someone just wanting to learn about these, i want to use my current scope, and couple it with some type of device that will give me night capabilities, not looking to purchase one at this time, just wanting to know more about this technology (im kind of a geek like that)

thanks

 

[Shooter21]

Re: NOOB with a question

Uratool Optik?

Just 100 mph tape it to the side of your scope. you'll be set

 

[jeepguy242]

Re: NOOB with a question

how bout i speed tape it up your ass!!!

anyone got a real fucking answer?

 

[MrLebowski]

Re: NOOB with a question

I am by no means an expert but I've looked into NV a bit.
If your only looking for a unit that converts conventional day optics to be used at night, like the PVS-22, then you are talking about spending big $$ cause that shit is top of the line, like 8k-13k.
You can get a good 2nd or 3rd Gen dedicated 3x NV scope for more like 2k-4k.
You can get them cheaper but then you need to worry about the quality, the saying you get what you pay for applies to NV aswell.
Moniculars are the cheepest NV you can get and they range from 100-500 for cheap Gen 1 stuff all they way up to like 3k+ for nice Gen 3 or 4 mil spec units.
NV is expensive, I've never used thoes lights your talking about but if they work that would probably be a much cheaper way to go.

 

[Pat M]

Re: NOOB with a question

ATN PS22 is in your price range

 

[Pat M]

Re: NOOB with a question

http://www.nightvisionstore.com/ATN%20PS22%20Day%20Night%20Systems.htm

 

[jeepguy242]

Re: NOOB with a question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am by no means an expert but I've looked into NV a bit.
If your only looking for a unit that converts conventional day optics to be used at night, like the PVS-22, then you are talking about spending big $$ cause that shit is top of the line, like 8k-13k.
You can get a good 2nd or 3rd Gen dedicated 3x NV scope for more like 2k-4k.
You can get them cheaper but then you need to worry about the quality, the saying you get what you pay for applies to NV aswell.
Moniculars are the cheepest NV you can get and they range from 100-500 for cheap Gen 1 stuff all they way up to like 3k+ for nice Gen 3 or 4 mil spec units.
NV is expensive, I've never used thoes lights your talking about but if they work that would probably be a much cheaper way to go. </div></div>

i had thought about a monocular, but that just looks like something that i will give myself scope burn if i tried to use it with a scope, i had thought about a dedicated NV scope, but i wasnt sure if the quality was any better, it looks as if that would be the perfered way to go as these that mount in front of other scopes dont seem to go more than 100-200 yds unless i shell out an ass ton of money from what i have read.

Thanks.

 

[jeepguy242]

Re: NOOB with a question

Thanks for the link, that actually looks pretty good...

it says there that a scope with 1 to 6 x magnification works best with these, im wondering if it might just be better to get a dedicated NV scope, with a 1 peice QD base and swap out if i were shooting at night, not that i have any need to shoot at night, i saw a couple rifles here that had thes attached to the scopes, and it just got me wondering what kind of prices and how it all worked.

at least now, i got somewhere to start reading up on it..

 

[Shooter21]

Re: NOOB with a question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeepguy242</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how bout i speed tape it up your ass!!!

anyone got a real fucking answer?</div></div>
Sorry man, had to use that. I had just come across that picture... In your price range, stick with a PVS-22 if you can find it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.nightvisionstore.com/ATN%20PS22%20Day%20Night%20Systems.htm</div></div>
This would be a good piece of kit as well.
If you really want to seem macho to all your buddies, you can tape a PVS-14 on to the eyepiece of your scope, but you lose eye relief, which is not so fun when recoil shows up...

 

[jeepguy242]

Re: NOOB with a question

after looking at a lot of these now, and the way that they mount, it seems that the best option in my situation would be to get a better scope first, and change out the forend on both my rifles, one is a Colt AR-15 that i put a smooth free float tube on last year, and the other is a Rock River .308 varmint that has a smooth forend as well, both with cheaper Millet Scopes that i picked up at a really good price, looks like i need a rail in front of the scope to mount somthing like this, and the 56mm bell on the millet's might pose a problem mounting those.

at that site they do have a couple of dedicated NV scopes that look like they might be an easier solution.

 

[Shooter21]

Re: NOOB with a question

The 56mm bell shouldn't be an issue with the right sock, but a forward rail is needed to mount NV... millet scopes are what they are in that aspect but it sounds like you have a fairly good feel for what you need. I might suggest searching for other NV threads and see if they might have a remedy for any of your issues

 

[One-Eyed Jack]

Re: NOOB with a question

I jumped into NV stuff a few months ago and am still climbing the learning curve. If you search for posts by ASM1, you'll find that he is very active in using NV for hunting and has bought and sold alot of gear, some to me. His posts will give you some idea of gear that works.

I bought a Raptor 4x from him that is probably my favorite NV scope. Unless you want to spend a lot of money, you can't get high magnifications and usually have to put a couple optics in tandem to get there (like a PVS-22 in front of a day scope). It gets a little Rube Goldberg-ish, even with the high-end stuff.

You didn't say what you wanted to do with NVDs, but a PVS-14 monocular is very versatile; it can mount behind some low-mag optics, like a Leupold scope, or be helmet mounted and used at 1x.

NVD performance depends alot on the image intensifier tube (IIT), which is most of the cost of any NV optic. There are multiple levels of technology and I suggest you get familiar with them before spending any money. TNVC has a great post on how to buy a PVS-14 in the NV section, and I recommend it to you. If you buy any NV optic, make sure you ask and understand what IIT is contains. With online purchasing, it's next to impossible to look through a bunch of NV optics and pick the one you think works best (plus, they work in the dark!).

If I could make only one purchase, it would be a PVS-14 because I use mine in a few different ways. But if I could afford another purchase, it would be a used Raptor 4x.

 

[Victor-TNVC]

Re: NOOB with a question

We've had MANY hit or miss issues with the ATN-PS-22, MANY issues to say the least with heavy POA/POI issue.

The PVS-22 UNS full MIl-Spec is not 10 grand, but $8800 is what we offer it for. Hope this helps and thank you.

Vic

 

[kylenichols3]

Re: NOOB with a question

The ps-22 is a great idea, but like Vic I've ran into problems with it (both gen 2, and gen 3 non mil-spec). I know you can't use it with a day scope, but I've been much more pleased with my Digisight N550.