NORKs have EMP Sats?

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I assume these two satellites are well tracked and can be smoked in short order?

There is an interesting thought out there that China, knowing the Norks would be on the hook for it, launch their own EMP against the USA. Then whack the Fattie.


 
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yeah im calling BS on this one.......

the only way to implement a EMP is through a nuclear blast.....NK cant even get their nukes out of NK airspace......much less into orbit over the US.

more to the point, should NK have "nuclear satellites".......we sure as hell wouldnt let them stay up there long....NO country would condone nuclear satellites...much less the US.
 
#4
Launching satellites and ICBM's are technically very similar. If anything it takes a bit more to launch the satellite and keep it in a stable orbit for a long period of time. Since NK has not been able to develop ICBM's how could they have nucks in space?

Furthermore the strength of an EMP pulse falls off by the cube of the distance from the source. The test the Russians did in the sixties that proved the threat of emp weapons were at 190 km altitude. Low earth satellites are at around 2000 km. So to have the same effect the Russian bomb had from 10 times the distance, the Norks would need a bomb 1000 times more powerful than the Russians used.

Further more many nations track every satellite launched by everyother nation, so if there were such a satellite it would be widely known.

The danger is that given another year or two the Norks will have an ICBM able to deliver an EMP to North America. Probable better to stop them before that happens.
 
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BoilerUP said:
I don't know that I would trust WorldNetDaily as a source of accurate information.
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Yes......b/c ABC / CBS / CNN / FOX - are 100% legit.....


5 seconds of Google would indicate that this is not a story unique to WND (see National Review link)


You may or may not consider WND a source (may want to review them on major stories vs MSM - it might surprise you), however look who they are quoting / the genesis of story itself, and ask yourself if the source is legit:

Pry is executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and director of the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum, both congressional advisory boards. He also served on the congressionally mandated EMP commission and as an analyst with the Central Intelligence Agency.


You’re also missing the point on the China connection - the mere fact that this is story gives China cover should they decide to use their EMPs against the USA, only to turn around and blame the NORKs. They hit the Supreme Fattie after the fact, and then just smile and lie to a severely crippled USA.

Let’s all remember who got us into the situation that we are in today - Bill Clinton in 1994.
 
#6
Really dont care for that statment that an EMP would "shut down critical life supporting services INDEFINITELY".
Really? So an EMP some how turns copper, gold, silver, any metal from conducting electricity. So my jumper cables will never flow electrons again. I call bullshit. I have no doubt an EMP can damage small circuits, pc boards and chips. It doesn't alter the state of matter and change the laws of physics.
I see it as having no effect on a simple transformer (coil of wire in coil of wire out). I think a payload of "chaf" would have a lot bigger effect on our power grid. And that would be temporary also.
Just like after a natural disaster we would be cleaning up instantly and up and running ASAP.
Nothing NK can do to us now or for along time can lead to anything but their utter destruction. I am not saying they can't cause some damage or death but any attack would be along the lines of 9/11. It would small in scale over all. The difference is the Taliban were/are nomads and fighting them was a moving target. Nk is a known stationery target that isn't going anywhere. Would be back to WWII fighting style. All we have to do is keep China from stepping in. Make a deal they can have NK coal fields when we are done.
 
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2ndamendmentfan, many preppers believe that the established nuclear powers can deliver an EMP strike that would destroy every transformer in the power distrubtion grid. The copper is still copper, but where will the inventory come from to replace a million transformers? It could take years! And that is close enough to indefinate for me.
 
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I do find it interesting that *if* EMP is really the threat that (some) say it is - why hasn’t the grid been beefed up? One is left with only two really possibilities - either it isn’t that big of a deal, or the US Gov wants a giant potentially national emergency on standby. It isn’t like they haven’t known about EMP since the 1940’s.


Ah.....the coming balkanization of America...planned and brought to you by some real shitbags.
 
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Mike_Honcho said:
I do find it interesting that *if* EMP is really the threat that (some) say it is - why hasn’t the grid been beefed up? One is left with only two really possibilities - either it isn’t that big of a deal, or the US Gov wants a giant potentially national emergency on standby. It isn’t like they haven’t known about EMP since the 1940’s.


Ah.....the coming balkanization of America...planned and brought to you by some real shitbags.
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surely the focus of the globalists is the opposite of balkanization? A national loss of power would be a hugely concentrating opportunity if say 'one' source was the single point of resolution of said emergency and wouldn't that single source of solution be a federal one rather than a statist or sub-statist?
 
#10
Ummm...the first sentence in the article says they have two satellites capable of performing a surprise EMP attack on the US.

Later in the article it says the US is aware of the satellites, but have no idea what the payload is.

Seriously?
 
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diverdon said:
2ndamendmentfan, many preppers believe that the established nuclear powers can deliver an EMP strike that would destroy every transformer in the power distrubtion grid. The copper is still copper, but where will the inventory come from to replace a million transformers? It could take years! And that is close enough to indefinate for me.
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All a transformer is a coil of wire around another coil of wire inside a case. if the copper is still copper yet the transformer is some how shorted out, open the fucking case, remove copper, melt copper back into wire and reinstall in the case. The copper doesn't fucking evaporate.
As with all disasters repairs would come in steps that effect the most people first. So yea if your out in a rural area it might be a few weeks/ couple of months. It won't be anywhere near years.
I can't believe how short minded people are, and how little they believe in A: humans and B: Americans, does anyone really believe that people will just sit back and accept a cave man life style after living the modern life style.
Next if you believe that every thing that has ever used electricity will some how never work again then you better buy your horses now, cause even the Model T has and ignition coil. Even old diesels with mechanical injection pumps have an electric solenoid to shut off fuel (only way to stop a diesel), that could probably be worked around but the solenoid is in the pump so some work would be required and that work would probably require at least some electricity.
 
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Niles Coyote said:
A EMP is much more far reaching than just transformers. Every unprotected electronic device will be damage, that means all communication, transportation, everything that has a circuit.
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The debate over transformers is not that they will be the only device to be damaged, it is the fact they they are the last device to be damaged they are nothing but a coil of wire. There is a huge difference between and electronic device and an electrical device. a toaster (maybe not a new one) is nothing but a electrical device it has copper wire and a nickle-chrome resistance wire heating element. There is no way an EMP will stop copper from conducting electricity,
I understand that chips and circuit boards can be damage but to say everything WILL be damage is quite a reach. Everything might be at risk but to say it WILL be is really not realistic. Also the issue is not that damage will happen to some degree but that it is going to so apocalyptic that we as the smartest beings on the planet who have built everything you see will sit on our fucking asses around campfires and just say "fuck it lets take a nap". I know the millennials have a bad reputation but I have faith they could step up when the shit hits the fan.
The hoover damn was built in 5 years it is a massive engineering marvel. divert one of the strongest rivers in america in a canyon 1000 ft deep. If you have never seen it you should, cause it is amazing. Concrete was poured 24 hours a day for 3 years. That is what America can do when we put our minds to it.
Some who can not read nor understand my point, fail to see that while an EMP is a threat it is not the end of everything as we know it.
 
#17
diverdon said:
I'm not saying it is the end, but if this is one prong of an attack by Russians (or another competent enemy) it could sure be a big interruption.
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That it will do. If it is an attack we will recover (that is my point) if it is an invasion will we recover fast enough? that is the bigger question.
 
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2ndamendfan said:
The debate over transformers is not that they will be the only device to be damaged, it is the fact they they are the last device to be damaged they are nothing but a coil of wire. There is a huge difference between and electronic device and an electrical device. a toaster (maybe not a new one) is nothing but a electrical device it has copper wire and a nickle-chrome resistance wire heating element. There is no way an EMP will stop copper from conducting electricity,
I understand that chips and circuit boards can be damage but to say everything WILL be damage is quite a reach. Everything might be at risk but to say it WILL be is really not realistic. Also the issue is not that damage will happen to some degree but that it is going to so apocalyptic that we as the smartest beings on the planet who have built everything you see will sit on our fucking asses around campfires and just say "fuck it lets take a nap". I know the millennials have a bad reputation but I have faith they could step up when the shit hits the fan.
The hoover damn was built in 5 years it is a massive engineering marvel. divert one of the strongest rivers in america in a canyon 1000 ft deep. If you have never seen it you should, cause it is amazing. Concrete was poured 24 hours a day for 3 years. That is what America can do when we put our minds to it.
Some who can not read nor understand my point, fail to see that while an EMP is a threat it is not the end of everything as we know it.
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This is a good post. While my general cynicism makes me want to snicker and mentally compare “EMP!!!!!!” to Y2K, it could be a really big deal.

That said, if it really did take down the power grid - it is potentially a means to upset world order (potentially without firing a shot)

- If power is significantly damaged on a near nationwide scale for some protracted period of time, is it legitimate that the US Dollar is still the world’s reserve currency?
- How much business and investment leaves America over night? What does the market do? Does the beer truck keep delivering?
- How long are we offline? Some of the fear monger sites say 5 yrs.
- Do we control the raw material / manufacturing capability to produce the fix? I am under the impression that this is a constraint as well.
- How much easier is it to to drive an armada of transport vessels across an ocean and take advantage of the situation? Is the risk worth it?

Yeah....I can see some potential problems if this EMP stuff were legit. I just don’t know if Fattie and the NORKs have the mojo to play that gig.
 
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APintOfGuinnessPlease! said:
surely the focus of the globalists is the opposite of balkanization? A national loss of power would be a hugely concentrating opportunity if say 'one' source was the single point of resolution of said emergency and wouldn't that single source of solution be a federal one rather than a statist or sub-statist?
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I do not know. There is documentation out there that indicates that balkanization is the long range plan. As the argument goes, you need an intermediate statehood such that the US can not effectively argue against greater (global) consolidation, as the world is beset by greater and greater problems such that the people willingly accept a unified governance and global currency.

That all said - reading about starts to get pretty tin foilish - so with a grain...
 
#23
Mike_Honcho said:
I do not know. There is documentation out there that indicates that balkanization is the long range plan. As the argument goes, you need an intermediate statehood such that the US can not effectively argue against greater (global) consolidation, as the world is beset by greater and greater problems such that the people willingly accept a unified governance and global currency.

That all said - reading about starts to get pretty tin foilish - so with a grain...
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I get that. For my part, I think there are only two events that will lead to a global gov. - the climate becomes an existential threat to much if not all of mankind (assuming we'll wise up and do something about it in time) or aliens. Other than that, we're too stupid to stop being predatory towards each other. There is an outlier - AI. As we become more integrated with tech, some AI aberration could just 'take us over'.
 
#25
Actually my generation smoked one in 1985, this is nothing new. EMP warfare is nothing new, although I think the mil has gotten lax in amp focus over the last 20 years we are quite skilled at hardening our electronic shit. the norks dont really have to worry about emp effects as they only own two transistors and one of them is on the wrist of the little shit fer brains as part of his timex iron man watch.

Dirty D said:
We smoked a "malfunctioning" satellite back in 2008 with a comically bad cover story to let the PRC, Russia, Iran and North Korea know that we could.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193
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Niles Coyote said:
A EMP is much more far reaching than just transformers. Every unprotected electronic device will be damage, that means all communication, transportation, everything that has a circuit.
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That means nearly every teenaged girl would commit suicide. What? No iPhone? No WiFi? No Twitter? No snap chat?
My life is ruined!! I hate myself!!!
 
#28
We need to harden the servers Frank has in the basement, put some RF washers on his coax cables and fence in the whole of his house , chain link fence in the form of a dome should work as long as grounding is good. Then we need to hook him up with some sat comms to beam us a signal, as the only functioning militarist organization the Hide could take over the world post emp event. Our fearless leader, Frank Galil, our one and only American Napoleon.
 
#31
Well he conex route loses the Thunder dome theme chain link fence ome would have, I can see it now



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Dirty D said:
Waaaay too complicated Jerry, all he needs is a ConEx box and a grounding cable.
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2ndamendfan said:
The hoover damn was built in 5 years it is a massive engineering marvel. divert one of the strongest rivers in america in a canyon 1000 ft deep. If you have never seen it you should, cause it is amazing. Concrete was poured 24 hours a day for 3 years. That is what America can do when we put our minds to it.
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That is what Americans can do when they are not over regulated into immobility or worrying about the endangered snail darter or filing an impact study that takes 5 years to complete before a shovel even moves one speck of dirt.

Im sure under duress those obstacles would disappear and shit would happen quick.

Bourne Bridge spanning the Cape Code Canal is dated 1933-1935. Americans amputated the Cape from the rest of Massachusetts by digging the Canal as part of the Inter coastal waterway than they spanned it with two massive iron bridges simultaneously.

Bridges in MA, much smaller in scale now take 3-5 years unless......unless they will adversely impact the powers that be.

14 bridges in two months because ineptitude had let them to deteriorate to the point of negligence and their loss would have left Boston crippled. So you incentivize and see what can happen....

http://www.massdot.state.ma.us/high...ts/93Fast14RapidBridgeReplacementProject.aspx
 
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#34
Sounds like I should buy some faraday cage futures, since One Second After via Sum Dum Son is in our immediate future.

The Aegis system and SM-3 missile has been proven to bring down a low-earth orbit satellite and is part of the missile defense system, and there's a reason missile defense assets (both fixed and floating) are located where they are.

I'm not discounting the risk of an EMP to our modern society...I just feel the threat is sometimes, ahem, overblown.

<shrug>
 
#35
BoilerUP said:
Sounds like I should buy some faraday cage futures, since One Second After via Sum Dum Son is in our immediate future.

The Aegis system and SM-3 missile has been proven to bring down a low-earth orbit satellite and is part of the missile defense system, and there's a reason missile defense assets (both fixed and floating) are located where they are.

I'm not discounting the risk of an EMP to our modern society...I just feel the threat is sometimes, ahem, overblown.

<shrug>
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With an attitude such as yours whats it going to take to build you up into a proper frenzy with the willingness to shed your rights for the mere appearance of a little bit of safety?

I don't like whats going on but EMP is a little too encompassing in its harm. How will the establishment enjoy ice cold cocktails if the entire grid is fried?

No the pain will have to be much more discretionary.
 
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