Noveske Problems

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Starks

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Jan 19, 2010
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#1
As of yesterday my Noveske N6 has had 200 rounds through it, and still has problems.

It seems to not want to load rounds into the chamber from the magazine. It will fire a round, eject the shell, and rack forward but seems to miss the round completely occasionally causing the disappointing....CLICK...

Ive dismantled it completely and the only thing that I could possibly think of as the problem is the magazine doesnt seem to set properly after loading it into the rifle. Sometimes (even after hitting it a few times to make sure its loaded) you will have to jiggle the magazine until it clicks into place.

Im wondering what could cause the bolt to completely miss the round completely other than a bad magazine.

Ive been using just regular surplus stuff to break in the rifle and sight it in at 100 meters, American Tactical 7.62x51 Rounds. After researching the rounds after my day at the range there were alot of reviews on this ammo that were absolutely terrible when it comes to chambering the brass.

Im wondering if I should change up the ammunition (Working on that at this exact moment), or if cheap ammo would actually cause the problem ive been experiencing.

Thanks for any help, if worse comes to worse ill contact Noveske and see what there recommendations would be.

_Stark
 
#3
Re: Noveske Problems

Sounds like a mag problem to me. Like LoneWolf said...don't be shy smacking the mag home when inserting it in the rifle and then double check that it is, in fact, seated properly. Also, if you are loading fully loaded mags (20rnds) into the rifle with the bolt closed, try opening and locking the bolt back...then insert the mag and smack it home before you hit the bolt release.

Out of curiosity, are you running conversion mags (M14 mags converted to work in the AR-10/Noveske) or Gen I mags (plunger on the back of the follower)? If so, try the newest Gen. Armalite mags and see if that fixes your problems.
 
#4
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like a mag problem to me. Like LoneWolf said...don't be shy smacking the mag home when inserting it in the rifle and then double check that it is, in fact, seated properly. Also, if you are loading fully loaded mags (20rnds) into the rifle with the bolt closed, try opening and locking the bolt back...then insert the mag and smack it home before you hit the bolt release.

Out of curiosity, are you running conversion mags (M14 mags converted to work in the AR-10/Noveske) or Gen I mags (plunger on the back of the follower)? If so, try the newest Gen. Armalite mags and see if that fixes your problems. </div></div>

Using the one that came with the rifle
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#5
Re: Noveske Problems

If there was a previous thread, I missed it. Have you contacted Noveske about it? Have you tried to adjust the feed lips on the mag? Might try tweeking them up a bit allowing the round to sit a little higher. Good luck.

okie
 
#6
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I had a similar problem. Mine would fire a few rounds than not pick up a round and go click. I had the issue with several mags.

What seems to have solved my problem was two things,

Sticking to high quality NATO ammo (as suggested on Noveske's site) and keeping the buffer/spring lubed. I will say it is more finicky than I would have hoped. All three of my Noveske 5.56s work flawlessly.
 
#8
Re: Noveske Problems

Check if the bolt locks back after firing with 1 round in the magazine a few times.

Does the bolt catch look like a Gen 1 or Gen 2? See Armalite Tech Note 71:

http://www.armalite.com/images/Tech%20No...200%20Final.pdf

If the bolt does lock back on the bolt face, (not the carrier edge) then it's not a gas/cycling problem, and if you have gen II parts, then suspect it's the magazine.
 
#9
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Here's a no sh*t sherlock, but I screwed it up before:
Make sure your buffer is the right one. AR-10 buffers are shorter than AR-15 buffers.
Buffer weight and spring force could also be an issue. Do you have feed problems when you pull the CH back to load a round starting from a closed bolt?
 
#10
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FYI, I have a N4 SPR and have observed the same problem and in fact had it happen twice in one range session. As you can imagine, it was quite embarassing when my "high speed" rig lays an egg if front of a crowd not once but twice. Solution... simply ammunition. Hornady and Black Hills run flawlessly. Save the bulk crap for a Colt or a Stag! PS. The website gives a warning to the same effect.
 
#11
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TNT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's a no sh*t Sherlock, but I screwed it up before:
Make sure your buffer is the right one. AR-10 buffers are shorter than AR-15 buffers.
Buffer weight and spring force could also be an issue. Do you have feed problems when you pull the CH back to load a round starting from a closed bolt? </div></div>

When I try to rack it back it feels weird, at least compared to what I'm used to (M16). I don't know if its normal or not but my charging handle is getting beat to all hell and back it appears...ill try to include pictures.

And my Magazine is GenII. I tore the magazine apart it was filled with this nasty green shit that im assuming came off of the shitty Turkish brass, almost looked like a shredded crayon lol! Ive got some Federal brass now, and today ill pick up a box of Black Hills and see if that solves it.
 
#13
Re: Noveske Problems

Sounds like it is short stroking. Do you have an aftermarket stock on it? You may need Slash's Heavy buffer. It is shorter and allows the bolt to have full rearward travel, thus letting it pick up the rear of the next case.

If I am understanding correctly.
 
#14
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I'm with hydro in thinking it's buffer problem. What kind of stock assembly are you running?

Are you having any pressure signs on casings? Is the green crap the sealant on the primer? That's usually not a prob, but if the bolt is shaving up the casings, that can't be good.

Beware of .308 vs 7.62 as well. I am seeing some shoulder swelling and had one blown primer shooting .308 BH 168gr out of my N6.
 
#15
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TNT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm with hydro in thinking it's buffer problem. What kind of stock assembly are you running?

Are you having any pressure signs on casings? Is the green crap the sealant on the primer? That's usually not a prob, but if the bolt is shaving up the casings, that can't be good.

Beware of .308 vs 7.62 as well. I am seeing some shoulder swelling and had one blown primer shooting .308 BH 168gr out of my N6. </div></div>

Vltor collapsible stock ill take some pictures. It came with the rifle.
 
#18
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my charging handle looks the same, i think it is common. Where did u get the buffer?
I am running the slash buffer in mine, and it cycles great. Since your is really new, make SURE the BCG is super oily. Many have told me in a new one sometimes not enough oil makes it not want to cycle.
 
#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fastford</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my charging handle looks the same, i think it is common. Where did u get the buffer?
I am running the slash buffer in mine, and it cycles great. Since your is really new, make SURE the BCG is super oily. Many have told me in a new one sometimes not enough oil makes it not want to cycle. </div></div>

The buffer and the buffer spring were covered in a Vaseline like substance it was disgusting and it stunk like all hell so it was wiped off, its perty damn oily.

Who knows though, in a day or so my new buffer/buffer spring will be here for the Magpul PRS stock...maybe it will solve it who knows only way to tell is to wait on it, then go to range and give the new ammo a shot. After that its up to Noveske to tell me haha!
 
#22
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoveSPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That charging handle looks like you pulled it individually for all 200 rounds. Somethings fi-shy. </div></div>

More like every 3 rounds
 
#24
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoveSPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That picture made me get up and go look at mine. Now I'm lightheaded. FYI, the people at Noveske are very good about putting a technician on the phone right away to help answer any questions. Good luck. </div></div>

Ill give them a call tomorrow, probably should've done that before I posted.
 
#26
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UPDATE: Alright, so finally got 4 hours at the local range today it was absolutely frigid as the devils testicles themselves. After cleaning what appeared to be a green shredded crayon out of the magazine, just barely adjusting the magazine feed lips, cleaning the hell out the extractor, and using high quality federal ammunition I had absolutely NO jams, or feeding problems whatsoever. To test this further I switched back to the shitty Turkish crap and it immediately refused to feed properly.

Now one last problem for now, im still waiting on my Larue Mount, and Buffer Spring and Buffer assembly. The stock Vltor collapsible stock does exactly that, every few rounds it collapses its quite irritating. To get 3 beautiful grouped shots then one almost off the target completely because the stock collapsed and almost gave myself a black eye from the scope (Thank god for Personal Protective Equipment).

All in all I'm quite happy with the Noveske N6. Just a very rough start haha!

_Stark
 
#27
Re: Noveske Problems

So, just an ammo problem? Do you have a mic to measure the dimensions and compare the surplus to the FGMM? Have you run other ammo types through yours? I'm looking at using the HSM m118lr loading.
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TNT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, just an ammo problem? Do you have a mic to measure the dimensions and compare the surplus to the FGMM? Have you run other ammo types through yours? I'm looking at using the HSM m118lr loading. </div></div>

Don't have tools for that sorry, but the Federal definitely sits a lot better in the magazine, I don't know why but it feels thicker, standing side by side they are the same size.

I have yet to try other ammo because it is unavailable to me, As of right now a box of Hornady .308 up here is around 35-40 bucks, and the Federal I've been using is 150GR softpoints and 180GR softpoints, for $17 a box. The 180GR seem to group better. I found some Federal Match ammo, picked up a box of 168Gr for 37...jesus...will test that when I put the AR on a sled to get it properly zeroed with the new Larue mount I ordered. Sorry I couldnt be of much help.
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rebelmatt79</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the second forward assist I've seen on a N6. When did they start this? </div></div>I'm assuming all new production models will have the F/A. Armalite doesn't make uppers without F/A anymore and since I'm pretty sure Noveske uses Armalite parts.....
 
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