So check this out. I've been in contact with the NRA and a club about competitions because this new club I'm going to join holds them for NRA. They said that the only NRA competition class I can be in is High Power Rifle. I cannot do any of the small bore competitions. Lucky for me, each target is fired from the 100 yard line. They use simulated 300 and 600 yard targets. So I'm a "High Power Rifle" competitor using a .17 HMR. Has anyone heard of a rimfire in High Power Rifle before???
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Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
I've heard of centerfire competitions at 100 yd with simulated 2 and 300 yard targets...if your disqualified from the small bore because of some mod to the gun, I say go for it. You'll spank the big boys with the little zipper.
I've heard of centerfire competitions at 100 yd with simulated 2 and 300 yard targets...if your disqualified from the small bore because of some mod to the gun, I say go for it. You'll spank the big boys with the little zipper.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
I say buy a 17 Remington and smoke those fuckers with a 4200 fps round!
I say buy a 17 Remington and smoke those fuckers with a 4200 fps round!
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmallBoreSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can fit more rounds per square inch.
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I LOVE the 17 HMR. I now have 2 of them. So after some thought I decided to take the plunge and get a centerfire 17 caliber gun (17 Remington). I haven't received it yet (it's on the way), but I'm betting that shooting those tiny pills at 4200+ fps is going to be a blast.
I'm so smitten by the small calibers that I'm heavily considering a Tac 20!
If you like the 17 HMR for its performance (what's not to like?0, you should check out the small caliber centerfire rounds. They really are amazing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmallBoreSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can fit more rounds per square inch.
I LOVE the 17 HMR. I now have 2 of them. So after some thought I decided to take the plunge and get a centerfire 17 caliber gun (17 Remington). I haven't received it yet (it's on the way), but I'm betting that shooting those tiny pills at 4200+ fps is going to be a blast.
I'm so smitten by the small calibers that I'm heavily considering a Tac 20!
If you like the 17 HMR for its performance (what's not to like?0, you should check out the small caliber centerfire rounds. They really are amazing.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
^ That's freakin sweet! I didn't even know they made a centerfire 17.
^ That's freakin sweet! I didn't even know they made a centerfire 17.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
I bet they are thinking you have a .17 Remington instead of a .17 HMR by putting you in the high power rifle.
I bet they are thinking you have a .17 Remington instead of a .17 HMR by putting you in the high power rifle.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hilbillee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bet they are thinking you have a .17 Remington instead of a .17 HMR by putting you in the high power rifle. </div></div>
I have talked to them directly over the phone. They say that is simply the only class it can fall into. Like I said, lucky for me the firing is from 100 yards!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hilbillee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bet they are thinking you have a .17 Remington instead of a .17 HMR by putting you in the high power rifle. </div></div>
I have talked to them directly over the phone. They say that is simply the only class it can fall into. Like I said, lucky for me the firing is from 100 yards!
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
OK, let's interject a bit of reality and experience here.
First off, the rules do in fact support you shooting the 17 HMR in Highpower. Secondly, in a 100 yard reduced match in light winds, the 17 HMR will be an outstanding chambering for the event. I shoot 100 yard Highpower practice with 22LR AR15 using the reduced targets on a regular basis and shoot good scores with it. Wind is an issue, but your 17 HMR will have approximately half the wind drift of my 22LR, so it should perform well at 100 yards.
Finally, regarding rules- unless the match bulletin specifically prohibits you from using a scoped rifle, the NRA rules themselves do support your use of this rifle, including with a bipod mounted, as long as you don't actually use the bipod to support the rifle. Now the match director has the final say, but the NRA rules themselves support you shooting in the match. If the match director says no then your recourse is to file a protest with the NRA, but he does not have to let you shoot even though the rules say you can and the bulletin does not prohibit it.
Here is an excerpt from the 2010 rulebook changes that clarify the use of your rifle for Highpower. In the past the scope was allowed with similar language, but they revised it specifically to include "tactical rifle" for 2010.
3.3.2 NRA Any Sight Match Rifle/Tactical Rifle - Same
as NRA Match Rifle Rule 3.3 except there is no restriction as
to sights. The following restrictions will apply:
(a) No person firing an any sight rifle under 3.3.4 will be
allowed to compete with any other group of shooters
who are also firing. A competitor using any sight rifle
under Rule 3.3.4 will only be eligible for awards in
their own division.
(b)Bipods may be attached but not utilized. Ammunition
will be restricted to no larger than .35 caliber.
Go for it and have fun! If your are any sort of a shot at all I'll suspect you'll score higher than some of the center fire shooters.
OK, let's interject a bit of reality and experience here.
First off, the rules do in fact support you shooting the 17 HMR in Highpower. Secondly, in a 100 yard reduced match in light winds, the 17 HMR will be an outstanding chambering for the event. I shoot 100 yard Highpower practice with 22LR AR15 using the reduced targets on a regular basis and shoot good scores with it. Wind is an issue, but your 17 HMR will have approximately half the wind drift of my 22LR, so it should perform well at 100 yards.
Finally, regarding rules- unless the match bulletin specifically prohibits you from using a scoped rifle, the NRA rules themselves do support your use of this rifle, including with a bipod mounted, as long as you don't actually use the bipod to support the rifle. Now the match director has the final say, but the NRA rules themselves support you shooting in the match. If the match director says no then your recourse is to file a protest with the NRA, but he does not have to let you shoot even though the rules say you can and the bulletin does not prohibit it.
Here is an excerpt from the 2010 rulebook changes that clarify the use of your rifle for Highpower. In the past the scope was allowed with similar language, but they revised it specifically to include "tactical rifle" for 2010.
3.3.2 NRA Any Sight Match Rifle/Tactical Rifle - Same
as NRA Match Rifle Rule 3.3 except there is no restriction as
to sights. The following restrictions will apply:
(a) No person firing an any sight rifle under 3.3.4 will be
allowed to compete with any other group of shooters
who are also firing. A competitor using any sight rifle
under Rule 3.3.4 will only be eligible for awards in
their own division.
(b)Bipods may be attached but not utilized. Ammunition
will be restricted to no larger than .35 caliber.
Go for it and have fun! If your are any sort of a shot at all I'll suspect you'll score higher than some of the center fire shooters.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
Borg, this has nothing to do with F-Class. There has to do with reduced across the course.
Borg, this has nothing to do with F-Class. There has to do with reduced across the course.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
9H - Thank you a lot for all of the info. So it seems like I'm all good. I talked to the range too and they don't have a problem with me competing with a .17 HMR. They have F-Class but you fire from 300 yards, and I'm not exactly competition material at that distance. I'm interested in what the reduced target shooting is like.
9H - Thank you a lot for all of the info. So it seems like I'm all good. I talked to the range too and they don't have a problem with me competing with a .17 HMR. They have F-Class but you fire from 300 yards, and I'm not exactly competition material at that distance. I'm interested in what the reduced target shooting is like.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OP-
Have you ever even be a spectator at an NRA HP match? Do not even waste your time with a 17 HMR--absent a struck of unbelievable luck, I do not foresee a very impressive outcome.
Also, do you plan on shooting irons or any sight? In my experience more matches are limited to the former. What kinda irons is your 17HMR sporting? How's your offhand? Mag fed I hope?
You will not fare well against space guns, tube guns, and Tubbs, in the Match rifle class to which you are limited.
You propose using a nice little screwdriver---to hammer nails! </div></div>
1: 90% of what you just said I already know, and have plenty of experience with.
2: Seriously man, wow change your tampon, it's just for fun!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OP-
Have you ever even be a spectator at an NRA HP match? Do not even waste your time with a 17 HMR--absent a struck of unbelievable luck, I do not foresee a very impressive outcome.
Also, do you plan on shooting irons or any sight? In my experience more matches are limited to the former. What kinda irons is your 17HMR sporting? How's your offhand? Mag fed I hope?
You will not fare well against space guns, tube guns, and Tubbs, in the Match rifle class to which you are limited.
You propose using a nice little screwdriver---to hammer nails! </div></div>
1: 90% of what you just said I already know, and have plenty of experience with.
2: Seriously man, wow change your tampon, it's just for fun!
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
SBS, I watched this guy test the 17 Mach 2 in an Anschutz prone rifle, sling coat and irons, at 100 yards:
http://www.militarymarksmanship.org/bigdubis.htm
He was chewing the X ring out of the 100 yard smallbore target.
Your 17HMR will kick ass at 100 yards.
SBS, I watched this guy test the 17 Mach 2 in an Anschutz prone rifle, sling coat and irons, at 100 yards:
http://www.militarymarksmanship.org/bigdubis.htm
He was chewing the X ring out of the 100 yard smallbore target.
Your 17HMR will kick ass at 100 yards.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your 17HMR will kick ass at 100 yards. </div></div>
That's why I want to compete with this rifle. I have a .22 LR with irons I shoot at 100 yards (I do ok I guess), but the .17 with a scope will be a killer!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your 17HMR will kick ass at 100 yards. </div></div>
That's why I want to compete with this rifle. I have a .22 LR with irons I shoot at 100 yards (I do ok I guess), but the .17 with a scope will be a killer!
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmallBoreSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^ That's freakin sweet! I didn't even know they made a centerfire 17. </div></div>
There are quite a few actually. 17 Remington, 17 Fireball, 17 HeeBee, 17 Squirrel, 17 VarTarg, and about a billion other wildcat rounds that chamber in 17. All very fast.
The 17 Remington is both the oldest (commercially available) and the fastest commercially available round in the world. Up to 4400 fps with the right hand loads. In fact, I think it's the only round where the powder charges are heavier than the pill it's pushing. VERY effective on coyote out to about 250-300 yards, and on pdogs and such to about 500 or so.
And what I like best . . .
NO RECOIL AT ALL and much less noisy than those big caliber guns.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmallBoreSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^ That's freakin sweet! I didn't even know they made a centerfire 17. </div></div>
There are quite a few actually. 17 Remington, 17 Fireball, 17 HeeBee, 17 Squirrel, 17 VarTarg, and about a billion other wildcat rounds that chamber in 17. All very fast.
The 17 Remington is both the oldest (commercially available) and the fastest commercially available round in the world. Up to 4400 fps with the right hand loads. In fact, I think it's the only round where the powder charges are heavier than the pill it's pushing. VERY effective on coyote out to about 250-300 yards, and on pdogs and such to about 500 or so.
And what I like best . . .
NO RECOIL AT ALL and much less noisy than those big caliber guns.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
I'm seriously going to check out a 17 Remington. If I had 4400 fps passing by that pill it would most definitely up my 300 yards game haha.
I'm seriously going to check out a 17 Remington. If I had 4400 fps passing by that pill it would most definitely up my 300 yards game haha.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
There was an article in the late 90s in Precision Shooting Magazine where a guy shot a 17 Remington in a 600 yard any-any match. He shot a 200-17X with it.
I have a 54 actioned Anschutz in 17 Mach 2. Out to 150 yards it shoots very predictably. That is as far as I've stretched it. Having shot the 22LR in the AR15 on the 100 yard reduced Highpower targets for practice many times, while the wind is a handful it is still quite doable.
Experience trumps conjecture every time.
There was an article in the late 90s in Precision Shooting Magazine where a guy shot a 17 Remington in a 600 yard any-any match. He shot a 200-17X with it.
I have a 54 actioned Anschutz in 17 Mach 2. Out to 150 yards it shoots very predictably. That is as far as I've stretched it. Having shot the 22LR in the AR15 on the 100 yard reduced Highpower targets for practice many times, while the wind is a handful it is still quite doable.
Experience trumps conjecture every time.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
I've been interested in the 17 Mach 2 but I didn't know they made a centerfire 17. And that score, especially at 600 yards, is freakin amazing.
I've been interested in the 17 Mach 2 but I didn't know they made a centerfire 17. And that score, especially at 600 yards, is freakin amazing.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
Dude you don't know me or any of my experience at all. I used to compete in High Power Rifle when I had my Winchester .308 with irons. My question was simply if anyone had heard of a rimfire in HP. Your posts have been of no use to me. Just go somewhere else.
Oh by the way. I sucked balls in the matches. But I had fun like hell. Ok now go somewhere else.
Dude you don't know me or any of my experience at all. I used to compete in High Power Rifle when I had my Winchester .308 with irons. My question was simply if anyone had heard of a rimfire in HP. Your posts have been of no use to me. Just go somewhere else.
Oh by the way. I sucked balls in the matches. But I had fun like hell. Ok now go somewhere else.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Borg, this has nothing to do with F-Class. There has to do with reduced across the course. </div></div>
I realize that.
But with a scope, his only choice is reduced any-any or F class, unless they allow scopes in reduced NRA matches, which they don't.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Borg, this has nothing to do with F-Class. There has to do with reduced across the course. </div></div>
I realize that.
But with a scope, his only choice is reduced any-any or F class, unless they allow scopes in reduced NRA matches, which they don't.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
I dunno. I talked to the NRA and the guy at the club. The NRA said that is where I would have to be classified. Maybe the guy at the club was just saying he's cool if I shoot with them. If for some reason he decides not to let me shoot in HP with the 17 I'll just do any/any, which they also hold at 100 yards.
I dunno. I talked to the NRA and the guy at the club. The NRA said that is where I would have to be classified. Maybe the guy at the club was just saying he's cool if I shoot with them. If for some reason he decides not to let me shoot in HP with the 17 I'll just do any/any, which they also hold at 100 yards.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Borg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Borg, this has nothing to do with F-Class. There has to do with reduced across the course. </div></div>
I realize that.
But with a scope, his only choice is reduced any-any or F class, unless they allow scopes in reduced NRA matches, which they don't.
</div></div>
Actually they do - go read the rule book, both past and 2010 updates. Scope has been in there for years for across the course. The match bulletin or the match director must exclude them; otherwise, they can shoot in their own award class.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Borg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Borg, this has nothing to do with F-Class. There has to do with reduced across the course. </div></div>
I realize that.
But with a scope, his only choice is reduced any-any or F class, unless they allow scopes in reduced NRA matches, which they don't.
</div></div>
Actually they do - go read the rule book, both past and 2010 updates. Scope has been in there for years for across the course. The match bulletin or the match director must exclude them; otherwise, they can shoot in their own award class.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
As any-any.
But most NRA matches aren't any-any.
Like I said, most MD's will allow him to shoot along side, but not in the named match for score.
Saying that, they can have a side/same time match shooting with the others, but is not recorded, depends on the MD.
As any-any.
But most NRA matches aren't any-any.
Like I said, most MD's will allow him to shoot along side, but not in the named match for score.
Saying that, they can have a side/same time match shooting with the others, but is not recorded, depends on the MD.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Borg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As any-any.
But most NRA matches aren't any-any.
Like I said, most MD's will allow him to shoot along side, but not in the named match for score.
Saying that, they can have a side/same time match shooting with the others, but is not recorded, depends on the MD. </div></div>
Sir, you do not have an accurate understanding of the rules. Please stand down and stop creating confusion. Thank you.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Borg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As any-any.
But most NRA matches aren't any-any.
Like I said, most MD's will allow him to shoot along side, but not in the named match for score.
Saying that, they can have a side/same time match shooting with the others, but is not recorded, depends on the MD. </div></div>
Sir, you do not have an accurate understanding of the rules. Please stand down and stop creating confusion. Thank you.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
Actual email from the club.....
Hi
The 17 would be very good for the any/any. You will need a competition sling since bipods cannot be used for support.
I suggest an NRA cuff sling. http://www.champchoice.com/prod-CHAMPION_S_CHOICE_NRA_CUFF___SLING_COMBINATION-670.aspx
I do not know if your stock has a rail for a sling stop or any type of attachment though.
<span style="font-weight: bold">A 17HMR from what I have been told will compete in the centerfire class and not the smallbore class (22's). I was told this by another shooter that has one and he got that info from the NRA.</span>
You didn't say if you are a club member yet. If not you will need an NRA classification in a rifle discipline that at minimum shoots from the prone position to enter matches.
However, I would be glad to spend some time working with you on the prone slinged position if you want to see if you like it before you get into it.
You would have to pay the normal daily range fees on weekend days that I am there so I can train you just like I do members and when I feel comfortable you understand safety rules and match basics I can allow you to enter the any/any as a non member. We could probably do this in a day. You will nee a sling to enter the matches though.
gary
Sorry..adited it to bold the IMPORTANT part.
Actual email from the club.....
Hi
The 17 would be very good for the any/any. You will need a competition sling since bipods cannot be used for support.
I suggest an NRA cuff sling. http://www.champchoice.com/prod-CHAMPION_S_CHOICE_NRA_CUFF___SLING_COMBINATION-670.aspx
I do not know if your stock has a rail for a sling stop or any type of attachment though.
<span style="font-weight: bold">A 17HMR from what I have been told will compete in the centerfire class and not the smallbore class (22's). I was told this by another shooter that has one and he got that info from the NRA.</span>
You didn't say if you are a club member yet. If not you will need an NRA classification in a rifle discipline that at minimum shoots from the prone position to enter matches.
However, I would be glad to spend some time working with you on the prone slinged position if you want to see if you like it before you get into it.
You would have to pay the normal daily range fees on weekend days that I am there so I can train you just like I do members and when I feel comfortable you understand safety rules and match basics I can allow you to enter the any/any as a non member. We could probably do this in a day. You will nee a sling to enter the matches though.
gary
Sorry..adited it to bold the IMPORTANT part.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
SBS, go ahead and play their game. Tell them your classification is MU (Master Unclassified) and you are keeping your temporary classification book at this time. Don't let them try to make you get a classification elsewhere before shooting at their club if you can - that is BS.
That said, if you have the opportunity to go to a HP clinic of some sort ahead of time then try to do so. We have several around here and we have several Garand clinics. All are great chances to get some Highpower experience in a non-competitive friendly atmosphere.
SBS, go ahead and play their game. Tell them your classification is MU (Master Unclassified) and you are keeping your temporary classification book at this time. Don't let them try to make you get a classification elsewhere before shooting at their club if you can - that is BS.
That said, if you have the opportunity to go to a HP clinic of some sort ahead of time then try to do so. We have several around here and we have several Garand clinics. All are great chances to get some Highpower experience in a non-competitive friendly atmosphere.
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
<span style="font-weight: bold">"Have you ever even be a spectator at an NRA HP match? Do not even waste your time with a 17 HMR--absent a struck of unbelievable luck, I do not foresee a very impressive outcome."</span>
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I absolutely disagree! Bonnie and I have been shooting .17HMR rifles in 200 yard NRA competition for 6-7 years! They shoot all classes together at our club but score them separately. At first, the idea was to let the poor rimfire folks have a chance. Now, they score separately because the 17 HMR's totally trounce the High Power shooters!
For a long time, I shot service rifle class while Bonnie shot the HMR in "F" class. Bonnie was high overall shooter in <span style="text-decoration: underline">every</span> match! Meanwhile, as I got older and my joint pain got progressively worse, I left the position shooting to work with the 17HMR from prone only.
Our rifles were mostly stock Marlin 917V rifles with Tasco 3-9x variables. My rifle had a Rifle Basix trigger but Bonnie's was out-of-the-box-stock.
At 200 yards with 2 rapid fire stages and shooting from prone with a bipod, I shot a 499/500 with 28X. The next match produced a 500/500 with 23X. Bonnie regularly shoots 493 with a high score of 499 out of 500!
That 17HMR is absolutely deadly at 200 yards and it is really wasted at 100 yards. Remember, the "X" ring on a standard "SR" 200 yard target is about the size of a tennis ball. In my perfect match (500/500) I nailed that tennis ball 23 times out of 50 rounds at 200 yards!
Please do not let anyone tell you that the 17HMR can't cut it at 200 yards. We have a ton of first place match awards to testify to the accuracy of that round.
Flash
<span style="font-weight: bold">"Have you ever even be a spectator at an NRA HP match? Do not even waste your time with a 17 HMR--absent a struck of unbelievable luck, I do not foresee a very impressive outcome."</span>
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I absolutely disagree! Bonnie and I have been shooting .17HMR rifles in 200 yard NRA competition for 6-7 years! They shoot all classes together at our club but score them separately. At first, the idea was to let the poor rimfire folks have a chance. Now, they score separately because the 17 HMR's totally trounce the High Power shooters!
For a long time, I shot service rifle class while Bonnie shot the HMR in "F" class. Bonnie was high overall shooter in <span style="text-decoration: underline">every</span> match! Meanwhile, as I got older and my joint pain got progressively worse, I left the position shooting to work with the 17HMR from prone only.
Our rifles were mostly stock Marlin 917V rifles with Tasco 3-9x variables. My rifle had a Rifle Basix trigger but Bonnie's was out-of-the-box-stock.
At 200 yards with 2 rapid fire stages and shooting from prone with a bipod, I shot a 499/500 with 28X. The next match produced a 500/500 with 23X. Bonnie regularly shoots 493 with a high score of 499 out of 500!
That 17HMR is absolutely deadly at 200 yards and it is really wasted at 100 yards. Remember, the "X" ring on a standard "SR" 200 yard target is about the size of a tennis ball. In my perfect match (500/500) I nailed that tennis ball 23 times out of 50 rounds at 200 yards!
Please do not let anyone tell you that the 17HMR can't cut it at 200 yards. We have a ton of first place match awards to testify to the accuracy of that round.
Flash
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
The 17 HMR is an awesome little round for what it's designed for. Accuracy at 100 yards is fantastic.
The 17 Remington is a sweetie. It about drives a bullet as hard as one can go and still stay together for a FMJ or a jacketed round.. You aught to see what it does to a large jackrabbit from Nevada. It looks like a violent explosion happens on the part of the body from the inside out..
The barrels don't last too long but the fun is worth it...SmokeRolls
The 17 HMR is an awesome little round for what it's designed for. Accuracy at 100 yards is fantastic.
The 17 Remington is a sweetie. It about drives a bullet as hard as one can go and still stay together for a FMJ or a jacketed round.. You aught to see what it does to a large jackrabbit from Nevada. It looks like a violent explosion happens on the part of the body from the inside out..
The barrels don't last too long but the fun is worth it...SmokeRolls
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ROGER4314</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That 17HMR is absolutely deadly at 200 yards and it is really wasted at 100 yards. Remember, the "X" ring on a standard "SR" 200 yard target is about the size of a tennis ball. In my perfect match (500/500) I nailed that tennis ball 23 times out of 50 rounds at 200 yards!
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Definitely. I've even gone out to 300 yards with impressive results (IMO).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ROGER4314</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That 17HMR is absolutely deadly at 200 yards and it is really wasted at 100 yards. Remember, the "X" ring on a standard "SR" 200 yard target is about the size of a tennis ball. In my perfect match (500/500) I nailed that tennis ball 23 times out of 50 rounds at 200 yards!
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Definitely. I've even gone out to 300 yards with impressive results (IMO).
Re: NRA .17 HMR High Power Rifle
Here is the actual rules that apply to the scoped rifles, independent of the chambering, per the NRA HP rulebook:
"3.3.4 NRA Any Sight Match Rifle- Same as NRA Match Rifle Rule 3.3
except there is no restriction as to sights. The following restrictions will apply:
(a) No scores fired under Rule 3.3.4 will be reported to NRA, used for
classifications or National Records.
(b) No person firing an any sight rifle under Rule 3.3.4 will be allowed
to compete with any other group of shooters who are also firing. A
competitor using any sight rifle under Rule 3.3.4 will only be eligible
for awards in their own division.
(c) Competitors firing an any sights rifle under Rule 3.3.4 will only fire
in an unclassified match. An unclassified match is a match where no
classification is used and competitors are ranked according to scores.
Unclassified matches may be held as a separate division of a Classi-
fied Match."
Here is rule 3.3 that is referenced above:
" 3.3 NRA Match Rifle-A center fire rifle with metallic sights and a
magazine capable of holding not less than 5 rounds.
(a) See Rule 3.14, Palm Rest.
(b) A service rifle may be used as a match rifle unless otherwise stated in the program.
Any service rifle used as an NRA Match Rifle shall conform to Rules 3.1, 3. 1. 1,
or 3.1.2 as applies to trigger pull.
(c) A service rifle (Rule 3.1.1 and 3.1.2) whose only modification is to its
sights may be used as an NRA Match Rifle. This rifle may use the 20
round box magazine but must comply to Rule 3.1.1 or 3.1.2 trigger
pull requirement."
Here is the actual rules that apply to the scoped rifles, independent of the chambering, per the NRA HP rulebook:
"3.3.4 NRA Any Sight Match Rifle- Same as NRA Match Rifle Rule 3.3
except there is no restriction as to sights. The following restrictions will apply:
(a) No scores fired under Rule 3.3.4 will be reported to NRA, used for
classifications or National Records.
(b) No person firing an any sight rifle under Rule 3.3.4 will be allowed
to compete with any other group of shooters who are also firing. A
competitor using any sight rifle under Rule 3.3.4 will only be eligible
for awards in their own division.
(c) Competitors firing an any sights rifle under Rule 3.3.4 will only fire
in an unclassified match. An unclassified match is a match where no
classification is used and competitors are ranked according to scores.
Unclassified matches may be held as a separate division of a Classi-
fied Match."
Here is rule 3.3 that is referenced above:
" 3.3 NRA Match Rifle-A center fire rifle with metallic sights and a
magazine capable of holding not less than 5 rounds.
(a) See Rule 3.14, Palm Rest.
(b) A service rifle may be used as a match rifle unless otherwise stated in the program.
Any service rifle used as an NRA Match Rifle shall conform to Rules 3.1, 3. 1. 1,
or 3.1.2 as applies to trigger pull.
(c) A service rifle (Rule 3.1.1 and 3.1.2) whose only modification is to its
sights may be used as an NRA Match Rifle. This rifle may use the 20
round box magazine but must comply to Rule 3.1.1 or 3.1.2 trigger
pull requirement."
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