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Fieldcraft NV Defeating Paint
- Thread starter Mo_Zam_Beek
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Re: NV Defeating Paint
Nice to see that space-age paint finishes are beginning to filter down to the average person.
Nice to see that space-age paint finishes are beginning to filter down to the average person.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....its all done with mirrors. </div></div>
and smoke
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....its all done with mirrors. </div></div>
and smoke
Re: NV Defeating Paint
I don't get the ending... are they trying to say I *can't* see the difference? Well golly, I don't want their product then!
I don't get the ending... are they trying to say I *can't* see the difference? Well golly, I don't want their product then!
Re: NV Defeating Paint
why dont they do a comparison with their old ceracote and the new one parkerised rifles are going to be a lot easier to see than a camed rifle. i suppose they will not emit a heat signiture after a mag fired full auto either? and if they are that good you would realy have to be carefull if you put your rifle down it might be gone for good.
it looks like it works but as i said i would love to see it compared to another painted rifle not a black one.
why dont they do a comparison with their old ceracote and the new one parkerised rifles are going to be a lot easier to see than a camed rifle. i suppose they will not emit a heat signiture after a mag fired full auto either? and if they are that good you would realy have to be carefull if you put your rifle down it might be gone for good.
it looks like it works but as i said i would love to see it compared to another painted rifle not a black one.
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Its probably a painted PLASTIC dummy, add a little extra smoke and mirrors and violla!!! Same dog and pony show as every other story!!!!
PS- plasic will not put off a heat signature any different than the environment. So I dont but. I'm calling bullshit.
Its probably a painted PLASTIC dummy, add a little extra smoke and mirrors and violla!!! Same dog and pony show as every other story!!!!
PS- plasic will not put off a heat signature any different than the environment. So I dont but. I'm calling bullshit.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
they are probably using the image intensification type that relies on available light to "see" in the demonstration, so it doesn't rely on heat. heat isn't a factor here.
thermal vision relies on heat, not used in the demonstration.
light and heat, apples and oranges.
they are probably using the image intensification type that relies on available light to "see" in the demonstration, so it doesn't rely on heat. heat isn't a factor here.
thermal vision relies on heat, not used in the demonstration.
light and heat, apples and oranges.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
Agreed TP but still bullshit and a computer geek with too much time on his hands!
Agreed TP but still bullshit and a computer geek with too much time on his hands!
Re: NV Defeating Paint
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agreed TD but still bullshit and a computer geek with too much time on his hands! </div></div>
This is most likely true. I would like to see paint to defeat thermal and NV. They you might have something.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agreed TD but still bullshit and a computer geek with too much time on his hands! </div></div>
This is most likely true. I would like to see paint to defeat thermal and NV. They you might have something.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
Ceramic coating might help with thermal, but then again that barrel isn't going to dissipate any heat lol.
Ceramic coating might help with thermal, but then again that barrel isn't going to dissipate any heat lol.
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It is true that there is no infa red vidio there so it proves nothing the other thing is the "Shooter" stands out like dogs balls crawling up to the rifle mabe they should have painted him because if we can see him and it was so important to cam the firle so it cant be seen then mabe he is just Dead. even if we cant see the firls.
as stated above i would love to see the exact vidio with CeraCote, DuraCote, GunKota and Todds paint from manners against this new ceracote. both before and after a mag full auto through a rifle all painted the same color before and with the standard Green NV image we have just seen then with thermal vision from a company that is employed to give an unbiased test. Mabe Nic Industries could sent the rifles and gear to Frank and he could see if the rifle would be seen inside an explosion.
It is true that there is no infa red vidio there so it proves nothing the other thing is the "Shooter" stands out like dogs balls crawling up to the rifle mabe they should have painted him because if we can see him and it was so important to cam the firle so it cant be seen then mabe he is just Dead. even if we cant see the firls.
as stated above i would love to see the exact vidio with CeraCote, DuraCote, GunKota and Todds paint from manners against this new ceracote. both before and after a mag full auto through a rifle all painted the same color before and with the standard Green NV image we have just seen then with thermal vision from a company that is employed to give an unbiased test. Mabe Nic Industries could sent the rifles and gear to Frank and he could see if the rifle would be seen inside an explosion.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
I would be willing to bet that Krylon (ultra flat camo) would perform just as good as the CeraKote in standard green/black NV. The shooter obviously wore highly light reflective clothing, whereas the paint seemed to absorb most of the light. The only problem with light absorbtion is that too much and the rifle/shooter will look like a black hole which will be like looking at shit in a punch bowl... I still stand on my previous statement. A ghillie and a ton of natural veg is the only way to go!!!
I would be willing to bet that Krylon (ultra flat camo) would perform just as good as the CeraKote in standard green/black NV. The shooter obviously wore highly light reflective clothing, whereas the paint seemed to absorb most of the light. The only problem with light absorbtion is that too much and the rifle/shooter will look like a black hole which will be like looking at shit in a punch bowl... I still stand on my previous statement. A ghillie and a ton of natural veg is the only way to go!!!
Re: NV Defeating Paint
It's the real deal. I saw it in action myself last summer. Ft. Benning is also looking into it.
It's the real deal. I saw it in action myself last summer. Ft. Benning is also looking into it.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
Every model of NVG I have used DO overlap the infra-red spectrum to some extent so they are somewhat thermal. I cant see a paint defeating that.
Every model of NVG I have used DO overlap the infra-red spectrum to some extent so they are somewhat thermal. I cant see a paint defeating that.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
Let them sell this crap to idiots in Pakistan.
When our SF encounter them again in afghanistan, they will believe themselves to be invisible. Damned little our troop's FLIR binocs wont see, even at a pretty good distance.
Magic paint wont hide your heat signature against the rocks or hut behind you.
Let them sell this crap to idiots in Pakistan.
When our SF encounter them again in afghanistan, they will believe themselves to be invisible. Damned little our troop's FLIR binocs wont see, even at a pretty good distance.
Magic paint wont hide your heat signature against the rocks or hut behind you.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BadBot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cerakote my ass.
No realy, cerakote my ass, so I don't show !
they are not gonna shoot the rifle. </div></div>so tue,so true.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BadBot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cerakote my ass.
No realy, cerakote my ass, so I don't show !
they are not gonna shoot the rifle. </div></div>so tue,so true.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
Most "nylon" webbing/LBE and material used for combat uniforms has had IR suppressing finishes for years? At one time, the lack of such finishes on civvie bought kit was why it was frowned on in the British Army, but these days most of the better civvie stuff has it as well...
I don't think there is anything particulary "new" in this video, just a little marketing hype along with some smoke & mirrors filming skills..
Most "nylon" webbing/LBE and material used for combat uniforms has had IR suppressing finishes for years? At one time, the lack of such finishes on civvie bought kit was why it was frowned on in the British Army, but these days most of the better civvie stuff has it as well...
I don't think there is anything particulary "new" in this video, just a little marketing hype along with some smoke & mirrors filming skills..
Re: NV Defeating Paint
Its a simple Infra Red Reflective additive to the paint.
All MILSPEC and NATO codified paints for vehicles/weapons etc are IRR compliant.
Its been around for decades and available over the counter at any specialist paint supplier.
You can probably also find it at most military surplus outlets?
Its a simple Infra Red Reflective additive to the paint.
All MILSPEC and NATO codified paints for vehicles/weapons etc are IRR compliant.
Its been around for decades and available over the counter at any specialist paint supplier.
You can probably also find it at most military surplus outlets?
Re: NV Defeating Paint
I understand that NV has a filter to see the IR spectrum, but there really isnt anything in nature that gives off huge quantities of IR radiation aside from the sun. As far as thermal properties, isnt that a completely diffrent spectrum. FLIR or some other thermal vision would see right past the paint, wouldnt it? Especially if it has been fired, there would be signifigant thermal spike.
I understand that NV has a filter to see the IR spectrum, but there really isnt anything in nature that gives off huge quantities of IR radiation aside from the sun. As far as thermal properties, isnt that a completely diffrent spectrum. FLIR or some other thermal vision would see right past the paint, wouldnt it? Especially if it has been fired, there would be signifigant thermal spike.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
The paint only has its uses against active NV equipment not passive II or Thermal.
That said it will cut down your signature when viewed through a FLIR arrangement so that your not quite the shining beacon. You will still however not avoid detection.
Even after a single round from cold bore, there is significant residual thermal signature.
Thankfully most of the un-civilized world doesn't have anything close to the NATO countries NV ability en mass as yet. This said, Russia and indeed China have made great steps forward. Due to ITAR nonesense Russia signed with the French to gain access to cutting edge technology transfer ( both ways). Romania/Poland and elsewhere are also not far behind.
The paint only has its uses against active NV equipment not passive II or Thermal.
That said it will cut down your signature when viewed through a FLIR arrangement so that your not quite the shining beacon. You will still however not avoid detection.
Even after a single round from cold bore, there is significant residual thermal signature.
Thankfully most of the un-civilized world doesn't have anything close to the NATO countries NV ability en mass as yet. This said, Russia and indeed China have made great steps forward. Due to ITAR nonesense Russia signed with the French to gain access to cutting edge technology transfer ( both ways). Romania/Poland and elsewhere are also not far behind.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
krylon isnt IRR or MILSPEC paint. Any decent paint supplier will be able to supply IIR MILSPEC standard paint. Check ur nearest surplus outlet, they may well have gallons of the stuff.
If anyone wants a NATO codified reference number for various colours sand/OG/BLACK please PM me. Paint suppliers will be able to cross rference on these identifiers.
krylon isnt IRR or MILSPEC paint. Any decent paint supplier will be able to supply IIR MILSPEC standard paint. Check ur nearest surplus outlet, they may well have gallons of the stuff.
If anyone wants a NATO codified reference number for various colours sand/OG/BLACK please PM me. Paint suppliers will be able to cross rference on these identifiers.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
So with flir, and all the technology, how do you still stay hidden @ night? Been curious about this
So with flir, and all the technology, how do you still stay hidden @ night? Been curious about this
Re: NV Defeating Paint
they make a product called infared blocker. put a layer under your suit.http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=552&navid=33 as long as it does what is says it will it should work.
they make a product called infared blocker. put a layer under your suit.http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=552&navid=33 as long as it does what is says it will it should work.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
this stuff works, I sprayed a little of it on my weener and now it appears 3 inches shorter!!!
this stuff works, I sprayed a little of it on my weener and now it appears 3 inches shorter!!!
Re: NV Defeating Paint
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So with flir, and all the technology, how do you still stay hidden @ night? Been curious about this </div></div>
If you think about the systems and what they need to work/how they work you can figure out ways to hide. Now getting to the hiding spot is the problem.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So with flir, and all the technology, how do you still stay hidden @ night? Been curious about this </div></div>
If you think about the systems and what they need to work/how they work you can figure out ways to hide. Now getting to the hiding spot is the problem.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
You could fill a whole box of stupid with some of the comments posted on this thread.
You could fill a whole box of stupid with some of the comments posted on this thread.
Re: NV Defeating Paint
I can't believe I had to wade through 25+ shitty worthless comments to get to this point.
If you can do that with ceracote, you can probably do it with a few different paints. It is all based on color principle and how different colors reflect. Take a look at the shades of color you see in through the NVG( IF you have ever actually USED them professionally YOU would know what I am talking about ) and note the colors you see. By mimicing these colors for night time ops on equipment sais equipment becomes better camoflaged against NVG's.
If digitally enhanced NVG's are used the digital break up patterns work well to confuse those. Mix the colors and patterns and outside of using Thermal based equipment everything hides.
I still cannot believe the amount of ass hattery found in this thread after the first couple posts
I can't believe I had to wade through 25+ shitty worthless comments to get to this point.
If you can do that with ceracote, you can probably do it with a few different paints. It is all based on color principle and how different colors reflect. Take a look at the shades of color you see in through the NVG( IF you have ever actually USED them professionally YOU would know what I am talking about ) and note the colors you see. By mimicing these colors for night time ops on equipment sais equipment becomes better camoflaged against NVG's.
If digitally enhanced NVG's are used the digital break up patterns work well to confuse those. Mix the colors and patterns and outside of using Thermal based equipment everything hides.
I still cannot believe the amount of ass hattery found in this thread after the first couple posts
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