I need some advise. I have been looking into buying some sort of NV scope for coyote hunting. I mostly hunt with a AR and was thinking of one that would go in front of my day scope. I am not sure if that is what I need or just go with a NV scope only. I have read here to stay away from ATN. I am on a limited budget with other gun projects going on. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Any advise would be appreciated.
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Re: NV for coyote hunting
They make clip ons but they're darn expensive and the image is not as good as a dedicated scope. Im currently looking for a Raptor 4x for the exact same purpose. Killing the evil doggie! Ive seen them recently from around 2500-3500 in VGC used and I missed one about 2 weeks ago that was brand new for just over 4k. Another option is to mount a PVS14 and a laser but the cost will be around the same and you'll have no magnification. Dont know how the little bastards are around you, but they're very call shy in my AO and most shots are beyond 100yds hence the need for the magnification. Whatever you decide, get on it quick as its that time of year again!
They make clip ons but they're darn expensive and the image is not as good as a dedicated scope. Im currently looking for a Raptor 4x for the exact same purpose. Killing the evil doggie! Ive seen them recently from around 2500-3500 in VGC used and I missed one about 2 weeks ago that was brand new for just over 4k. Another option is to mount a PVS14 and a laser but the cost will be around the same and you'll have no magnification. Dont know how the little bastards are around you, but they're very call shy in my AO and most shots are beyond 100yds hence the need for the magnification. Whatever you decide, get on it quick as its that time of year again!
Re: NV for coyote hunting
Some of that stuff is out of my price range. I have found some good info on the web at Gretan rifles, but have not called him yet.Just needing advise and other options.
Some of that stuff is out of my price range. I have found some good info on the web at Gretan rifles, but have not called him yet.Just needing advise and other options.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
You may wish to check out Laser Genetics ND-3/5 series laser flashlights.
You may wish to check out Laser Genetics ND-3/5 series laser flashlights.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
Contact the NV sponsors on this site as they get great trade ins now and then and you might just hit it lucky. It has worked for me.
Contact the NV sponsors on this site as they get great trade ins now and then and you might just hit it lucky. It has worked for me.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-Hoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I need some advise. I have been looking into buying some sort of NV scope for coyote hunting. I mostly hunt with a AR and was thinking of one that would go in front of my day scope. I am not sure if that is what I need or just go with a NV scope only. I have read here to stay away from ATN. I am on a limited budget with other gun projects going on. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Any advise would be appreciated. </div></div>
Really depends on what kind of distances you're killing them at. PVS-14 and mounted behind an eotech I used to feel pretty confident out to 100 or so depending on the moonlight. With an ATPIAL it was a lot easier to see way out there with the illuminator, but I still wasn't comfortable enough to take an ethical shot offhand with the laser. If you're going to be shooting out to a good distance (150+) I'd say go with the raptor or if you can swing it the best would be a clip on.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-Hoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I need some advise. I have been looking into buying some sort of NV scope for coyote hunting. I mostly hunt with a AR and was thinking of one that would go in front of my day scope. I am not sure if that is what I need or just go with a NV scope only. I have read here to stay away from ATN. I am on a limited budget with other gun projects going on. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Any advise would be appreciated. </div></div>
Really depends on what kind of distances you're killing them at. PVS-14 and mounted behind an eotech I used to feel pretty confident out to 100 or so depending on the moonlight. With an ATPIAL it was a lot easier to see way out there with the illuminator, but I still wasn't comfortable enough to take an ethical shot offhand with the laser. If you're going to be shooting out to a good distance (150+) I'd say go with the raptor or if you can swing it the best would be a clip on.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
Try ebay, gunbroker, gunsamerica, auctionarms, here!, post a wtb on this site (thats what I did) and wait for a good one. Trust me, there are great deals out there, you just have to be patient. The selling prices on these units have dropped a ton over the last year or so. I have 4 past sales stored in my Ebay acct of Brand new ones going for 4000-4100 and these retail at 5500 or so! Used ones are usually around 2500 to 3500 on the high side. Pm me if you find anything youre not interested in, I may be. Happy hunting
Try ebay, gunbroker, gunsamerica, auctionarms, here!, post a wtb on this site (thats what I did) and wait for a good one. Trust me, there are great deals out there, you just have to be patient. The selling prices on these units have dropped a ton over the last year or so. I have 4 past sales stored in my Ebay acct of Brand new ones going for 4000-4100 and these retail at 5500 or so! Used ones are usually around 2500 to 3500 on the high side. Pm me if you find anything youre not interested in, I may be. Happy hunting
Re: NV for coyote hunting
D740agm or D760agm are the way to go in my opinion,and never pay advertised price.
D740agm or D760agm are the way to go in my opinion,and never pay advertised price.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
There is a used Raptor 644 on ebay now for $3,000. It was up last week with a start bid of $3,300 and did not sell.
Two weeks ago there was a brand new Raptor from a dealer that was hanging around $3k but then some dip (hope it was not someone here) got in at the last minute and ran it up to $4,550.
There is a used Raptor 644 on ebay now for $3,000. It was up last week with a start bid of $3,300 and did not sell.
Two weeks ago there was a brand new Raptor from a dealer that was hanging around $3k but then some dip (hope it was not someone here) got in at the last minute and ran it up to $4,550.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
There are some different options out there. Everything from surplus PVS-4 to a new Raptor. Decide on your budget and what you want.
I have both head mounted systems w/ an IR laser and a rifle mounted scope. If I could have just one, it would be the head mounted monocular or biocular. That way you can scan, navigate, and shoot with the NVD. With a scope, you will be sweeping everything you look at with you rifle. Not to mention a 4x rifle scope doesn't allow you to walk around in the darkness. So think that over.
But, as you asked about scopes specifically, you have a few options:
Take a look at the PVS-4. They seem to be running $1K or so on the used market. The pop up pretty regularly on Ebay. But like all things Ebay, buyer beware. Do your research and only buy from auctions that have a return policy. It is a gen 2 scope that is big and heavy. But the big, heavy front lens really gathers light, so it performs really well for a gen 2 unit. If you get a good IR illuminator, you can really extend the range on it.
There is the M845 1.5x & 2.8x scopes. I had a 1.5x and didn't care for the magnification, so go with the higher one if you get it. It had the short comings of being a scope and none of the advantages of the higher magnification. It has a later gen 2 tube in it, which also performs pretty nicely. It is a tad lighter and smaller than the PVS-4. But they run $1500 to $2K for a new one.
There is the D740 & D760 scopes. I haven't seen one, but many people like them. You can get either a gen 2 or gen 3 tube in it depending on what you want to spend. The Gen 2 units are in the $2500 range and the new gen 3 are over $3K.
There is also the Aquilla & Raptor scopes. There are pretty spendy but military grade scopes. You can find them both new & used. But if you get a used one, you may not know what kind of tube you will get. They start in the $3K range and go up quickly.
There are some different options out there. Everything from surplus PVS-4 to a new Raptor. Decide on your budget and what you want.
I have both head mounted systems w/ an IR laser and a rifle mounted scope. If I could have just one, it would be the head mounted monocular or biocular. That way you can scan, navigate, and shoot with the NVD. With a scope, you will be sweeping everything you look at with you rifle. Not to mention a 4x rifle scope doesn't allow you to walk around in the darkness. So think that over.
But, as you asked about scopes specifically, you have a few options:
Take a look at the PVS-4. They seem to be running $1K or so on the used market. The pop up pretty regularly on Ebay. But like all things Ebay, buyer beware. Do your research and only buy from auctions that have a return policy. It is a gen 2 scope that is big and heavy. But the big, heavy front lens really gathers light, so it performs really well for a gen 2 unit. If you get a good IR illuminator, you can really extend the range on it.
There is the M845 1.5x & 2.8x scopes. I had a 1.5x and didn't care for the magnification, so go with the higher one if you get it. It had the short comings of being a scope and none of the advantages of the higher magnification. It has a later gen 2 tube in it, which also performs pretty nicely. It is a tad lighter and smaller than the PVS-4. But they run $1500 to $2K for a new one.
There is the D740 & D760 scopes. I haven't seen one, but many people like them. You can get either a gen 2 or gen 3 tube in it depending on what you want to spend. The Gen 2 units are in the $2500 range and the new gen 3 are over $3K.
There is also the Aquilla & Raptor scopes. There are pretty spendy but military grade scopes. You can find them both new & used. But if you get a used one, you may not know what kind of tube you will get. They start in the $3K range and go up quickly.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CTM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is a used Raptor 644 on ebay now for $3,000. It was up last week with a start bid of $3,300 and did not sell.
Two weeks ago there was a brand new Raptor from a dealer that was hanging around $3k but then some dip (hope it was not someone here) got in at the last minute and ran it up to $4,550.
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Boy you got that right! The last 2 new ones have gone for right at 4k. Havent seen one sell for retail all year long. Im looking for that nice used one for 2500 to 3k but its eluded me so far.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CTM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is a used Raptor 644 on ebay now for $3,000. It was up last week with a start bid of $3,300 and did not sell.
Two weeks ago there was a brand new Raptor from a dealer that was hanging around $3k but then some dip (hope it was not someone here) got in at the last minute and ran it up to $4,550.
Boy you got that right! The last 2 new ones have gone for right at 4k. Havent seen one sell for retail all year long. Im looking for that nice used one for 2500 to 3k but its eluded me so far.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
I think for budget minded and short to medium range Yote elimination, it's VERY hard to beat the M845 Gen 2 SHP in 2.5x.
I love these units, VERY fast lens with a 2moa dot that is deadly out to 200yards. The resolution at 52+ LP rivals early Gen 3.
Their also built like a tank and take a pounding. I own one and shoot with it regularly. I can shoot amazingly fast and accurate while shooting on the move with this system.
I've always felt this scope has the best money to resolution ratio out there. When I first evaluated a unit several years ago, I personally was sold in a big way.
You can tell I REALLY like this unit, always have, as it beats down ANY standard Gen 2 29LP unit out there.
http://www.tnvc.com/shop/m845-mk-4-2-5x-gen2-shp-red-dot-sight/
I think for budget minded and short to medium range Yote elimination, it's VERY hard to beat the M845 Gen 2 SHP in 2.5x.
I love these units, VERY fast lens with a 2moa dot that is deadly out to 200yards. The resolution at 52+ LP rivals early Gen 3.
Their also built like a tank and take a pounding. I own one and shoot with it regularly. I can shoot amazingly fast and accurate while shooting on the move with this system.
I've always felt this scope has the best money to resolution ratio out there. When I first evaluated a unit several years ago, I personally was sold in a big way.
You can tell I REALLY like this unit, always have, as it beats down ANY standard Gen 2 29LP unit out there.
http://www.tnvc.com/shop/m845-mk-4-2-5x-gen2-shp-red-dot-sight/
Re: NV for coyote hunting
I'm in a simular situation as T-hoe in that I'm looking at several different NV options right now but mostly dedicated NV scopes.
The reason is, I hunt from a barn loft that over looks the field we hunt.
Were elevated about 30' up in the air and shots are possable out to 1000yds.
We also do most of our hunting during the late fall and winter so alot of the time their is a good ammount of ambient light.
Moon light reflecting off all the snow can make it fairly bright at night, with the naked eye it's possable to see several hundred yards if their is no cloud cover and a fullish moon.
I know I need atleast a Gen2+ or 3 but I don't want to spend a huge ammount money either.
Biggest thing I think I need is a good ammount of magnification, I'm thinking 4x minimum and 6x would probably be better.
I haven't really found any Gen2+ that are high enough magnification for me to consider them, anyone know of any?
I plan on eventually getting a lazer IR illuminator if I need it but thoes arn't cheap either so that is a ways down the road.
Any advice would be appreciated & helpful.
Thanks
I'm in a simular situation as T-hoe in that I'm looking at several different NV options right now but mostly dedicated NV scopes.
The reason is, I hunt from a barn loft that over looks the field we hunt.
Were elevated about 30' up in the air and shots are possable out to 1000yds.
We also do most of our hunting during the late fall and winter so alot of the time their is a good ammount of ambient light.
Moon light reflecting off all the snow can make it fairly bright at night, with the naked eye it's possable to see several hundred yards if their is no cloud cover and a fullish moon.
I know I need atleast a Gen2+ or 3 but I don't want to spend a huge ammount money either.
Biggest thing I think I need is a good ammount of magnification, I'm thinking 4x minimum and 6x would probably be better.
I haven't really found any Gen2+ that are high enough magnification for me to consider them, anyone know of any?
I plan on eventually getting a lazer IR illuminator if I need it but thoes arn't cheap either so that is a ways down the road.
Any advice would be appreciated & helpful.
Thanks
Re: NV for coyote hunting
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2587344#Post2587344
and this guy guarentees lowest prices on it, he also a hide sponser:
http://deltaoutdoorsman.com/scart/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=42
I thinking real hard on getting one. Supposed to be about gen2+ equiv.
Regards,
DT
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2587344#Post2587344
and this guy guarentees lowest prices on it, he also a hide sponser:
http://deltaoutdoorsman.com/scart/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=42
I thinking real hard on getting one. Supposed to be about gen2+ equiv.
Regards,
DT
Re: NV for coyote hunting
I've looked at the Pulsar but I don't think it will work for the ranges I intend to shoot at.
From what I've read the digitals are good out to about 250yds w/ a good illuminator & under ideal conditions maybe as far as 400-500yds with a nice lazer illuminator.
I've looked at the Pulsar but I don't think it will work for the ranges I intend to shoot at.
From what I've read the digitals are good out to about 250yds w/ a good illuminator & under ideal conditions maybe as far as 400-500yds with a nice lazer illuminator.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: D_TROS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2587344#Post2587344
and this guy guarentees lowest prices on it, he also a hide sponser:
http://deltaoutdoorsman.com/scart/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=42
I thinking real hard on getting one. <span style="color: #FF0000">Supposed to be about gen2+ equiv.</span>
Regards,
DT </div></div>
That is not really true with any Digital systems.
Keep in mind, these are digital and not light amplification devices as you see with a Gen 2SHP or any other true NV device. In reality, digital in very dark conditions, will see major frame rate hits and images will degrade quickly unless you have a lot of IR or ambient light.
This goes the same with the Elcan Day/Night Hunter which is very popular.
Hope this helps.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: D_TROS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2587344#Post2587344
and this guy guarentees lowest prices on it, he also a hide sponser:
http://deltaoutdoorsman.com/scart/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=42
I thinking real hard on getting one. <span style="color: #FF0000">Supposed to be about gen2+ equiv.</span>
Regards,
DT </div></div>
That is not really true with any Digital systems.
Keep in mind, these are digital and not light amplification devices as you see with a Gen 2SHP or any other true NV device. In reality, digital in very dark conditions, will see major frame rate hits and images will degrade quickly unless you have a lot of IR or ambient light.
This goes the same with the Elcan Day/Night Hunter which is very popular.
Hope this helps.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm in a simular situation as T-hoe in that I'm looking at several different NV options right now but mostly dedicated NV scopes.
The reason is, I hunt from a barn loft that over looks the field we hunt.
Were elevated about 30' up in the air and shots are possable out to 1000yds.
We also do most of our hunting during the late fall and winter so alot of the time their is a good ammount of ambient light.
Moon light reflecting off all the snow can make it fairly bright at night, with the naked eye it's possable to see several hundred yards if their is no cloud cover and a fullish moon.
I know I need atleast a Gen2+ or 3 but I don't want to spend a huge ammount money either.
Biggest thing I think I need is a good ammount of magnification, I'm thinking 4x minimum and 6x would probably be better.
I haven't really found any Gen2+ that are high enough magnification for me to consider them, anyone know of any?
I plan on eventually getting a lazer IR illuminator if I need it but thoes arn't cheap either so that is a ways down the road.
Any advice would be appreciated & helpful.
Thanks </div></div>
Unfortunately for the ranges you want to engage at, it will take more than your budget is allowing it appears.
I wish the M845's came in a 6x configuration.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm in a simular situation as T-hoe in that I'm looking at several different NV options right now but mostly dedicated NV scopes.
The reason is, I hunt from a barn loft that over looks the field we hunt.
Were elevated about 30' up in the air and shots are possable out to 1000yds.
We also do most of our hunting during the late fall and winter so alot of the time their is a good ammount of ambient light.
Moon light reflecting off all the snow can make it fairly bright at night, with the naked eye it's possable to see several hundred yards if their is no cloud cover and a fullish moon.
I know I need atleast a Gen2+ or 3 but I don't want to spend a huge ammount money either.
Biggest thing I think I need is a good ammount of magnification, I'm thinking 4x minimum and 6x would probably be better.
I haven't really found any Gen2+ that are high enough magnification for me to consider them, anyone know of any?
I plan on eventually getting a lazer IR illuminator if I need it but thoes arn't cheap either so that is a ways down the road.
Any advice would be appreciated & helpful.
Thanks </div></div>
Unfortunately for the ranges you want to engage at, it will take more than your budget is allowing it appears.
I wish the M845's came in a 6x configuration.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor-TNVC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm in a simular situation as T-hoe in that I'm looking at several different NV options right now but mostly dedicated NV scopes.
The reason is, I hunt from a barn loft that over looks the field we hunt.
Were elevated about 30' up in the air and shots are possable out to 1000yds.
We also do most of our hunting during the late fall and winter so alot of the time their is a good ammount of ambient light.
Moon light reflecting off all the snow can make it fairly bright at night, with the naked eye it's possable to see several hundred yards if their is no cloud cover and a fullish moon.
I know I need atleast a Gen2+ or 3 but I don't want to spend a huge ammount money either.
Biggest thing I think I need is a good ammount of magnification, I'm thinking 4x minimum and 6x would probably be better.
I haven't really found any Gen2+ that are high enough magnification for me to consider them, anyone know of any?
I plan on eventually getting a lazer IR illuminator if I need it but thoes arn't cheap either so that is a ways down the road.
Any advice would be appreciated & helpful.
Thanks </div></div>
Unfortunately for the ranges you want to engage at, it will take more than your budget is allowing it appears.
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I almost did not post on this topic, but this: "Unfortunately for the ranges you want to engage at, it will take more than your budget is allowing it appears." is probably the most accurate post here.
Personal experience.
PVS-14 (head or weapon mount), Aimpoint, and DBAL-A2 with 223. 200 yards at absolute best because of dot size, caliber ability, and trajectory with a working caliber allowed zero.
PVS-14 (head mounted) with 308 or larger with laser, problem you have is the specific distance you have the laser zeroed and the trajectory of the round. This is very difficult.
D740 or D760, known zero is fine 300 and under with most calibers. In the dark, changing the zero settings on the scope is a most difficult thing when you also have to range the target which is not staying in one place long.
No laser/illuminator 50% or better lighting with a rifle and day scope that you know extremely well: Tans 300 yards. PVS-22 500 yards. PVS-27 (Muns) 700 yards. And this on hogs that appear black as smut in the unit. Deer and coyotes in any kind of grassy cover or with a tree line back-ground dissapear because their fur absorbs and hides them well at distances over 100 yards.
In really good lighting when they will cast a shadow, the deer will show up further away and this is dependent on both the quality of NVD and illuminator.
Tans, 22, and 27, with a high dollar illuminator or laser adds some distance to the above on both hogs and deer.
Best distance shot I have made at night, 800-810 yards on a known distance rifle range with stationary targets to know where the critter was, was done with a 300WM, a Schmidt and Bender 3-12 and a PVS-27 (Muns). Rifle, $3,500.00, S&B $2,500.00, and PVS-27 $12,000.00. Thats 18K for an 800 yard shot. And that is my best one. Daylight is another story. Rifle was a work rifle and the PVS-27 was a loaner-test unit. No, I can't afford that.
And none of the other NV gear I have used is up to that kind of shot. jmhe
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor-TNVC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm in a simular situation as T-hoe in that I'm looking at several different NV options right now but mostly dedicated NV scopes.
The reason is, I hunt from a barn loft that over looks the field we hunt.
Were elevated about 30' up in the air and shots are possable out to 1000yds.
We also do most of our hunting during the late fall and winter so alot of the time their is a good ammount of ambient light.
Moon light reflecting off all the snow can make it fairly bright at night, with the naked eye it's possable to see several hundred yards if their is no cloud cover and a fullish moon.
I know I need atleast a Gen2+ or 3 but I don't want to spend a huge ammount money either.
Biggest thing I think I need is a good ammount of magnification, I'm thinking 4x minimum and 6x would probably be better.
I haven't really found any Gen2+ that are high enough magnification for me to consider them, anyone know of any?
I plan on eventually getting a lazer IR illuminator if I need it but thoes arn't cheap either so that is a ways down the road.
Any advice would be appreciated & helpful.
Thanks </div></div>
Unfortunately for the ranges you want to engage at, it will take more than your budget is allowing it appears.
</div></div>
I almost did not post on this topic, but this: "Unfortunately for the ranges you want to engage at, it will take more than your budget is allowing it appears." is probably the most accurate post here.
Personal experience.
PVS-14 (head or weapon mount), Aimpoint, and DBAL-A2 with 223. 200 yards at absolute best because of dot size, caliber ability, and trajectory with a working caliber allowed zero.
PVS-14 (head mounted) with 308 or larger with laser, problem you have is the specific distance you have the laser zeroed and the trajectory of the round. This is very difficult.
D740 or D760, known zero is fine 300 and under with most calibers. In the dark, changing the zero settings on the scope is a most difficult thing when you also have to range the target which is not staying in one place long.
No laser/illuminator 50% or better lighting with a rifle and day scope that you know extremely well: Tans 300 yards. PVS-22 500 yards. PVS-27 (Muns) 700 yards. And this on hogs that appear black as smut in the unit. Deer and coyotes in any kind of grassy cover or with a tree line back-ground dissapear because their fur absorbs and hides them well at distances over 100 yards.
In really good lighting when they will cast a shadow, the deer will show up further away and this is dependent on both the quality of NVD and illuminator.
Tans, 22, and 27, with a high dollar illuminator or laser adds some distance to the above on both hogs and deer.
Best distance shot I have made at night, 800-810 yards on a known distance rifle range with stationary targets to know where the critter was, was done with a 300WM, a Schmidt and Bender 3-12 and a PVS-27 (Muns). Rifle, $3,500.00, S&B $2,500.00, and PVS-27 $12,000.00. Thats 18K for an 800 yard shot. And that is my best one. Daylight is another story. Rifle was a work rifle and the PVS-27 was a loaner-test unit. No, I can't afford that.
And none of the other NV gear I have used is up to that kind of shot. jmhe
Re: NV for coyote hunting
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jhuskey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor-TNVC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm in a simular situation as T-hoe in that I'm looking at several different NV options right now but mostly dedicated NV scopes.
The reason is, I hunt from a barn loft that over looks the field we hunt.
Were elevated about 30' up in the air and shots are possable out to 1000yds.
We also do most of our hunting during the late fall and winter so alot of the time their is a good ammount of ambient light.
Moon light reflecting off all the snow can make it fairly bright at night, with the naked eye it's possable to see several hundred yards if their is no cloud cover and a fullish moon.
I know I need atleast a Gen2+ or 3 but I don't want to spend a huge ammount money either.
Biggest thing I think I need is a good ammount of magnification, I'm thinking 4x minimum and 6x would probably be better.
I haven't really found any Gen2+ that are high enough magnification for me to consider them, anyone know of any?
I plan on eventually getting a lazer IR illuminator if I need it but thoes arn't cheap either so that is a ways down the road.
Any advice would be appreciated & helpful.
Thanks </div></div>
Unfortunately for the ranges you want to engage at, it will take more than your budget is allowing it appears.
</div></div>
I almost did not post on this topic, but this: "Unfortunately for the ranges you want to engage at, it will take more than your budget is allowing it appears." is probably the most accurate post here.
Personal experience.
PVS-14 (head or weapon mount), Aimpoint, and DBAL-A2 with 223. 200 yards at absolute best because of dot size, caliber ability, and trajectory with a working caliber allowed zero.
PVS-14 (head mounted) with 308 or larger with laser, problem you have is the specific distance you have the laser zeroed and the trajectory of the round. This is very difficult.
D740 or D760, known zero is fine 300 and under with most calibers. In the dark, changing the zero settings on the scope is a most difficult thing when you also have to range the target which is not staying in one place long.
No laser/illuminator 50% or better lighting with a rifle and day scope that you know extremely well: Tans 300 yards. PVS-22 500 yards. PVS-27 (Muns) 700 yards. And this on hogs that appear black as smut in the unit. Deer and coyotes in any kind of grassy cover or with a tree line back-ground dissapear because their fur absorbs and hides them well at distances over 100 yards.
In really good lighting when they will cast a shadow, the deer will show up further away and this is dependent on both the quality of NVD and illuminator.
Tans, 22, and 27, with a high dollar illuminator or laser adds some distance to the above on both hogs and deer.
Best distance shot I have made at night, 800-810 yards on a known distance rifle range with stationary targets to know where the critter was, was done with a 300WM, a Schmidt and Bender 3-12 and a PVS-27 (Muns). Rifle, $3,500.00, S&B $2,500.00, and PVS-27 $12,000.00. Thats 18K for an 800 yard shot. And that is my best one. Daylight is another story. Rifle was a work rifle and the PVS-27 was a loaner-test unit. No, I can't afford that.
And none of the other NV gear I have used is up to that kind of shot. jmhe
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VERY good post here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jhuskey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor-TNVC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm in a simular situation as T-hoe in that I'm looking at several different NV options right now but mostly dedicated NV scopes.
The reason is, I hunt from a barn loft that over looks the field we hunt.
Were elevated about 30' up in the air and shots are possable out to 1000yds.
We also do most of our hunting during the late fall and winter so alot of the time their is a good ammount of ambient light.
Moon light reflecting off all the snow can make it fairly bright at night, with the naked eye it's possable to see several hundred yards if their is no cloud cover and a fullish moon.
I know I need atleast a Gen2+ or 3 but I don't want to spend a huge ammount money either.
Biggest thing I think I need is a good ammount of magnification, I'm thinking 4x minimum and 6x would probably be better.
I haven't really found any Gen2+ that are high enough magnification for me to consider them, anyone know of any?
I plan on eventually getting a lazer IR illuminator if I need it but thoes arn't cheap either so that is a ways down the road.
Any advice would be appreciated & helpful.
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Unfortunately for the ranges you want to engage at, it will take more than your budget is allowing it appears.
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I almost did not post on this topic, but this: "Unfortunately for the ranges you want to engage at, it will take more than your budget is allowing it appears." is probably the most accurate post here.
Personal experience.
PVS-14 (head or weapon mount), Aimpoint, and DBAL-A2 with 223. 200 yards at absolute best because of dot size, caliber ability, and trajectory with a working caliber allowed zero.
PVS-14 (head mounted) with 308 or larger with laser, problem you have is the specific distance you have the laser zeroed and the trajectory of the round. This is very difficult.
D740 or D760, known zero is fine 300 and under with most calibers. In the dark, changing the zero settings on the scope is a most difficult thing when you also have to range the target which is not staying in one place long.
No laser/illuminator 50% or better lighting with a rifle and day scope that you know extremely well: Tans 300 yards. PVS-22 500 yards. PVS-27 (Muns) 700 yards. And this on hogs that appear black as smut in the unit. Deer and coyotes in any kind of grassy cover or with a tree line back-ground dissapear because their fur absorbs and hides them well at distances over 100 yards.
In really good lighting when they will cast a shadow, the deer will show up further away and this is dependent on both the quality of NVD and illuminator.
Tans, 22, and 27, with a high dollar illuminator or laser adds some distance to the above on both hogs and deer.
Best distance shot I have made at night, 800-810 yards on a known distance rifle range with stationary targets to know where the critter was, was done with a 300WM, a Schmidt and Bender 3-12 and a PVS-27 (Muns). Rifle, $3,500.00, S&B $2,500.00, and PVS-27 $12,000.00. Thats 18K for an 800 yard shot. And that is my best one. Daylight is another story. Rifle was a work rifle and the PVS-27 was a loaner-test unit. No, I can't afford that.
And none of the other NV gear I have used is up to that kind of shot. jmhe
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VERY good post here.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
What's your guys opinion on say the 6x Raptors range?
I was going to mount what ever NV scope I got on top a 6.5 Grendel because of the ability for a quick follow up shot so the range on it would be less than what I can shoot to out here anyway.
I however do still have some big boys for reaching out there if I need to, I've got a SAC 6.5x47L and a GAP .300WSM that should be here any day now.
For closer in I've got an eotech 557 w/ 3x mag on my 16" Rock River & an AK with a Aimpoint T-1 on it, if I did get a head mounted unit I would be set up for closer ranges.
Really I don't know what to get first.
I think I'm going to sit back and do some more research on this before I make a decision one way or the other.
What's your guys opinion on say the 6x Raptors range?
I was going to mount what ever NV scope I got on top a 6.5 Grendel because of the ability for a quick follow up shot so the range on it would be less than what I can shoot to out here anyway.
I however do still have some big boys for reaching out there if I need to, I've got a SAC 6.5x47L and a GAP .300WSM that should be here any day now.
For closer in I've got an eotech 557 w/ 3x mag on my 16" Rock River & an AK with a Aimpoint T-1 on it, if I did get a head mounted unit I would be set up for closer ranges.
Really I don't know what to get first.
I think I'm going to sit back and do some more research on this before I make a decision one way or the other.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
The 6X Raptor or D760, with the illuminator on a 20" AR-15 is death on hogs and coyotes to 300 yards with one zero. It can be shot further on bigger calibers using maximum point blank range zeroes with a single zero.
Changing the zero in the field is not something I am comfortable with.
The best hog hunter down here is shooting a 6X Raptor on a DPMS 20" AR-15 and in three months has 88 hog kills and 30+ coyotes. In the same time, I have 35 hogs and 1 coyote. He is doing better than I am because he is so comfortable with his rifle and that scope.
I don't have the same speed with the rifles with the Tans/22/27 hung out on the front of the rifle.
The 6X IS a little much on 50 yards and in on a running hog. The 4X is too little past 200 yards. If I was limited to one night scope, it would be either a 6X raptor or a hand picked D760. jmhe..
The 6X Raptor or D760, with the illuminator on a 20" AR-15 is death on hogs and coyotes to 300 yards with one zero. It can be shot further on bigger calibers using maximum point blank range zeroes with a single zero.
Changing the zero in the field is not something I am comfortable with.
The best hog hunter down here is shooting a 6X Raptor on a DPMS 20" AR-15 and in three months has 88 hog kills and 30+ coyotes. In the same time, I have 35 hogs and 1 coyote. He is doing better than I am because he is so comfortable with his rifle and that scope.
I don't have the same speed with the rifles with the Tans/22/27 hung out on the front of the rifle.
The 6X IS a little much on 50 yards and in on a running hog. The 4X is too little past 200 yards. If I was limited to one night scope, it would be either a 6X raptor or a hand picked D760. jmhe..
Re: NV for coyote hunting
what you need for long range is a gen 3 mounted onto the eye piece end of a high mag scope the higher mag power the better 25x works great,add a ir laser and your away,only problem is the feild of view but with practice this can be overcome,make sure the scope has side parallax ajustment,then let the fun begin
what you need for long range is a gen 3 mounted onto the eye piece end of a high mag scope the higher mag power the better 25x works great,add a ir laser and your away,only problem is the feild of view but with practice this can be overcome,make sure the scope has side parallax ajustment,then let the fun begin
Re: NV for coyote hunting
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mumabear</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what you need for long range is a gen 3 mounted onto the eye piece end of a high mag scope the higher mag power the better 25x works great,add a ir laser and your away,only problem is the feild of view but with practice this can be overcome,make sure the scope has side parallax ajustment,then let the fun begin </div></div>
That actually may be my best option, as I could use it with all my rifles except maybe the .300WSM.
I've looked at a few pics between the PVS-7 and the PVS-14 and to me the PVS-7 blew away the PVS-14.
I don't know if it was just the pics I was looking at but the PVS-7 seemed to resovle better all the way out to the edges.
Can anyone that has both units with simular quaility tubes in them comment on the image quality of both?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mumabear</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what you need for long range is a gen 3 mounted onto the eye piece end of a high mag scope the higher mag power the better 25x works great,add a ir laser and your away,only problem is the feild of view but with practice this can be overcome,make sure the scope has side parallax ajustment,then let the fun begin </div></div>
That actually may be my best option, as I could use it with all my rifles except maybe the .300WSM.
I've looked at a few pics between the PVS-7 and the PVS-14 and to me the PVS-7 blew away the PVS-14.
I don't know if it was just the pics I was looking at but the PVS-7 seemed to resovle better all the way out to the edges.
Can anyone that has both units with simular quaility tubes in them comment on the image quality of both?
Re: NV for coyote hunting
Never considered a 6x Raptor on an AR. Always heard it was too unwieldy (sp?). Curious how it handles as I have been on the hunt for a used 4x Raptor, but if a 6x works....
Never considered a 6x Raptor on an AR. Always heard it was too unwieldy (sp?). Curious how it handles as I have been on the hunt for a used 4x Raptor, but if a 6x works....
Re: NV for coyote hunting
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mumabear</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what you need for long range is a gen 3 mounted onto the eye piece end of a high mag scope the higher mag power the better 25x works great,add a ir laser and your away,only problem is the feild of view but with practice this can be overcome,make sure the scope has side parallax ajustment,then let the fun begin </div></div>
Can you please clarify on this?
Gen 3 what-NVD mounted on the eye piece?
What kind of adaptor to use to mount to the eye-piece?
Doesn't the higher magnification reduce the amount of light coming in?
Have you got a pic of your rig?
All help appreciated on these things. THANKS.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mumabear</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what you need for long range is a gen 3 mounted onto the eye piece end of a high mag scope the higher mag power the better 25x works great,add a ir laser and your away,only problem is the feild of view but with practice this can be overcome,make sure the scope has side parallax ajustment,then let the fun begin </div></div>
Can you please clarify on this?
Gen 3 what-NVD mounted on the eye piece?
What kind of adaptor to use to mount to the eye-piece?
Doesn't the higher magnification reduce the amount of light coming in?
Have you got a pic of your rig?
All help appreciated on these things. THANKS.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoveSPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never considered a 6x Raptor on an AR. Always heard it was too unwieldy (sp?). Curious how it handles as I have been on the hunt for a used 4x Raptor, but if a 6x works.... </div></div>
It is heavy and unwieldy to a degree, but way much less unwieldy than a PVS-27 (MUNS) in front of the day scope. The guy here with 88 hog kills uses the 6X on the rifle and the 4X for a hand-held (slung around his neck on a cord when he is walking on them).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoveSPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never considered a 6x Raptor on an AR. Always heard it was too unwieldy (sp?). Curious how it handles as I have been on the hunt for a used 4x Raptor, but if a 6x works.... </div></div>
It is heavy and unwieldy to a degree, but way much less unwieldy than a PVS-27 (MUNS) in front of the day scope. The guy here with 88 hog kills uses the 6X on the rifle and the 4X for a hand-held (slung around his neck on a cord when he is walking on them).
Re: NV for coyote hunting
any monocular mounted on the eye piece end will work,not sure what kind of adaptor they are,high mag + laser = wow,but small feild of view hard finding target,no pics as yet but you should find some of that style on google serch,cheers
any monocular mounted on the eye piece end will work,not sure what kind of adaptor they are,high mag + laser = wow,but small feild of view hard finding target,no pics as yet but you should find some of that style on google serch,cheers
Re: NV for coyote hunting
Thanks Guys for the advise and hands on experience. I have been in touch with Victor and he has given me options to consider. Now I am thinking maybe the pvs 14 for versatility.
Thanks Guys for the advise and hands on experience. I have been in touch with Victor and he has given me options to consider. Now I am thinking maybe the pvs 14 for versatility.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
I'd do a helmet mounted PVS14 with weapon IR laser.
Big heavy weapon mounted NV scopes will wear you out hunting coyotes. They are really best for sitting prone IMO.
I'd do a helmet mounted PVS14 with weapon IR laser.
Big heavy weapon mounted NV scopes will wear you out hunting coyotes. They are really best for sitting prone IMO.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
It's really going to be hard to beat a d- series scope for the money. Also they are much lighter than raptors. For dogs I prefer my 760 over my pvs-24. The image is just sharper in a dedicated weapon sight IMO.
A good illuminator will light their eyes up like a spot light which makes it much easier to locate them. I use my torch like a flash light scanning back and forth while helmet mounted with a 14.
It's really going to be hard to beat a d- series scope for the money. Also they are much lighter than raptors. For dogs I prefer my 760 over my pvs-24. The image is just sharper in a dedicated weapon sight IMO.
A good illuminator will light their eyes up like a spot light which makes it much easier to locate them. I use my torch like a flash light scanning back and forth while helmet mounted with a 14.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
It seems like the majority of the reply's suggest that I go with a helmet mounted pvs 14.
It seems like the majority of the reply's suggest that I go with a helmet mounted pvs 14.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
Yes that is the way to go for 1st choice .
also you will NEED to get out & hunt on foot @ night & the pvs-14 on the head will get around stealthy & more quietly on your Foot travel . Along with also being able to kill Coyotes or whatever else @ the same time .
Weapons mount NV should be your 2nd option if you decide to go for it .
Yes that is the way to go for 1st choice .
also you will NEED to get out & hunt on foot @ night & the pvs-14 on the head will get around stealthy & more quietly on your Foot travel . Along with also being able to kill Coyotes or whatever else @ the same time .
Weapons mount NV should be your 2nd option if you decide to go for it .
Re: NV for coyote hunting
Have any of you guys had any experience with the GT-14 shp compared to the pvs 14? Cannot decide whether to try the GT 14 or cry once and go with the pvs 14.
Have any of you guys had any experience with the GT-14 shp compared to the pvs 14? Cannot decide whether to try the GT 14 or cry once and go with the pvs 14.
Re: NV for coyote hunting
Instead of getting a GT14 gen 2 SHP, I would keep an eye out for a used gen 3 unit. Research and educate yourself before you buy. If you do buy used, try to make sure you can have an inspection period or buy from a reputible source. AEO out of Texas had some blem & lower performance PVS-14 for under $2500 with a return policy. You may also talk with the TNVC to see if they have any used, demo or blem units for sale.
Instead of getting a GT14 gen 2 SHP, I would keep an eye out for a used gen 3 unit. Research and educate yourself before you buy. If you do buy used, try to make sure you can have an inspection period or buy from a reputible source. AEO out of Texas had some blem & lower performance PVS-14 for under $2500 with a return policy. You may also talk with the TNVC to see if they have any used, demo or blem units for sale.
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