Night Vision NVision Nox or Rona Skeet?

[NHPiper]

Thinking of saving for my first thermal purchase to run on a RQE bridge with my 14. Has anyone played with the Nox yet? Or have an idea of the street price?

I like that the Nox is US based in MA (I am in NH), weighs about the same as a 14, and if you wanted to, can clip onto your rifle. If the price is the same as the Rona, would lean this way.

would love to hear others thoughts.

backup option is a breach. I really just want to dip my toes into the thermal world and be able to spot varmint sized critters out to 100-200 yards

 

[Jgunner]

4800 vs 6200
As i HEAR, the china skeet still looks better, but it is not recoil rated and who knows how long they will survive. Id rather spend 1500 more on nox.

 

[TheHorta]

CoronaSkeet: Lighter, cheaper, better image quality. Cons: Suspect build quality, support, durability, no weapon mount, funky internal battery support, every purchase by a US citizen comes with a free "I love Hunter Biden!" bumper sticker.

Nox: Heavier, more expensive, unproven (likely a non-issue). Pros: weapon mountable, robust, American made/supported/warranted. A commie dies with every purchase.

 

[NHPiper]

Sounds liks the nox is the way to go. I know the flir breach gets some hate, but i see them for 1500ish every one in a while. Thoughts on a cheaper route?

 

[Killswitch Engage]

CoronaSkeet: Lighter, cheaper, better image quality. Cons: Suspect build quality, support, durability, no weapon mount, funky internal battery support, every purchase by a US citizen comes with a free "I love Hunter Biden!" bumper sticker.

Nox: Heavier, more expensive, unproven (likely a non-issue). Pros: weapon mountable, robust, American made/supported/warranted. A commie dies with every purchase.

how do you figure a better image quality on something you havent had in hand yet? i would suspect that wont be the case with a bae core in the nox...

 

[MarinePMI]

how do you figure a better image quality on something you havent had in hand yet? i would suspect that wont be the case with a bae core in the nox...

I typed a long response...and then promptly deleted it. It would have strayed too far into the internal architecture design.

I believe you are correct in your statement with regards to a BAE core.

 

[TheHorta]

how do you figure a better image quality on something you havent had in hand yet? i would suspect that wont be the case with a bae core in the nox...

Only based upon what I’ve heard from the 1-2 people that have seen both, and that I remember reading that Max said the Nox uses the same core and display from the Halo.

The CoronaSkeet has better image quality than my Halo. Not by a huge amount, but still better.

If that’s true, I’m not sure why the Nox would look much different than the Halo.

ETA: What would you say if I told you, at least as far as detection and image performance, the 10um iRAY core is every bit as good as the 12um BAE core? Then what would you say if I told you the HD OLED display in the iRAY MH25 has 400% MORE pixels than the VGA OLED display in the Halo/Nox OLED display?

The iRAY core is based on newer 10-micron technology. That said, there isn’t going to be any resolution or detection difference between the two 640px cores, just as the BAE 12-micron core isn’t the least bit better in that department than their previous generation 17-micron core (in fact, some insist the 17um core is still better).

So, understanding those things, the still Nox could have better image quality than the Halo, which may put it on par with the MH25. I love my Halo and choose it over the UTC most nights (unless I’m out with others). The image quality is excellent, and if the Nox is the same then I still think it’s a home run and will buy at least one the moment they become available. Even if the iRAY has slightly better (display) image quality, it’s not significant enough to stick with Chinesium.

 

[Killswitch Engage]

id say lets kill some shit in real world conditions and see whats what. numbers are cool and make stuff sound real special but they dont always equate especially with the effect atmospheric conditions have on thermal....

 

[Max_R]

Interesting discussion. Unfortunately, I don't have much to contribute because even we did not have a chance to do any side by side comparison of the Nox (either flavor) with any other units and as of right now nobody outside of N-Vision has seen the final version of Nox. This being said, while the Nox uses the same "guts" and display as the Halo, we put the best objective lenses we could find/source for both Nox18 (18mm F1.0 chalcogenide) and Nox35 (35mm, F1.1, Ge). I'm pretty satisfied with test results especially in challenging low contrast conditions. The next week should bring us plenty of information from the field and we all will have a much better understanding of where the Nox stands.

 

[Jgunner]

Interesting discussion. Unfortunately, I don't have much to contribute because even we did not have a chance to do any side by side comparison of the Nox (either flavor) with any other units and as of right now nobody outside of N-Vision has seen the final version of Nox. This being said, while the Nox uses the same "guts" and display as the Halo, we put the best objective lenses we could find/source for both Nox18 (18mm F1.0 chalcogenide) and Nox35 (35mm, F1.1, Ge). I'm pretty satisfied with test results especially in challenging low contrast conditions. The next week should bring us plenty of information from the field and we all will have a much better understanding of where the Nox stands.

Thanks for coming in here. Its one of the reasons i bought a halo. Continuing public interaction. Its the reason i will buy a nox soon too, that and its a bad ass optic.

 

[TheHorta]

Interesting discussion. Unfortunately, I don't have much to contribute because even we did not have a chance to do any side by side comparison of the Nox (either flavor) with any other units and as of right now nobody outside of N-Vision has seen the final version of Nox. This being said, while the Nox uses the same "guts" and display as the Halo, we put the best objective lenses we could find/source for both Nox18 (18mm F1.0 chalcogenide) and Nox35 (35mm, F1.1, Ge). I'm pretty satisfied with test results especially in challenging low contrast conditions. The next week should bring us plenty of information from the field and we all will have a much better understanding of where the Nox stands.

Thanks Max!

Really looking forward to it. Once they become available to poor, ignorant, know-nothing schmucks like me, I’ll buy a couple specifically to compare as binos to my dual RealSkeets and dual CoronaSkeets.

Excited by the prospects!

 

[Max_R]

Thanks Max!

Really looking forward to it. Once they become available to poor, ignorant, know-nothing schmucks like me, I’ll buy a couple specifically to compare as binos to my dual RealSkeets and dual CoronaSkeets.

Excited by the prospects!

I'm not taking your comment about "poor, ignorant, know-nothing schmuck" but I like your idea of comparing different systems.

 

[TheHorta]

I'm not taking your comment about "poor, ignorant, know-nothing schmuck" but I like your idea of comparing different systems.

I know. I was being facetious.

 

[NHPiper]

I'm not taking your comment about "poor, ignorant, know-nothing schmuck" but I like your idea of comparing different systems.

So I actually work in southern New Hampshire and saw that NVISION is in Needham, MA. Any chance to swing by the office, meet you, and see a unit in person to help make up my mind?

 

[Hoyter87]

I don't have much to contribute other than I was about to pull the trigger on a chinaskeet right when I saw the announcement for the Nox. I overanalyze everything to death so I'll try to keep this short.

Chinaskeet: $4495 plus the nearly required PVS14 eyepiece mod $~230-300 for helmet use puts it's at ~$4750.
It's not weapon rated.

Nox: $6200
It's supposedly .50 bmg weapon rated. This factor alone indicates to me that it will be substantially more rugged in it's construction. Also reputable American company with great customer service record(check these boards)

For me, given that I have a budget, I rationalized it this way:
Nox has the utility of HMT + quick disconnect to be mounted to a rifle. Scanner and weapon optic in one. This alone is worth the price difference. Chinaskeet will have a better image based on the specs I've read/folks first hand experience on this board. Though I don't think they have seen the final NOx according to Max above. That being said image difference will not be to a degree that would provide a discernible advantage of one over the other in terms of scanning for game. If the image quality difference is make or break for you in terms of identifying game I would suggest you practice with your thermal more. Everything starts to look like a blob at a certain range but really you can ID just by seeing how the blob moves. Hope I'm making sense. Add in the great company backing the product and it was a no brainer for me to place a deposit on the NOx.

 

[Max_R]

So I actually work in southern New Hampshire and saw that NVISION is in Needham, MA. Any chance to swing by the office, meet you, and see a unit in person to help make up my mind?

@NHPiper, yes, while we usually don't have commercial visitors, you are welcome to come over and check things out. But it would have to be some time after Thanksgiving. Give us a call when you'll be ready to come and talk to Tym or Chris to make sure that they'll be available to spend some time with you when you come.

 

[NHPiper]

@NHPiper, yes, while we usually don't have commercial visitors, you are welcome to come over and check things out. But it would have to be some time after Thanksgiving. Give us a call when you'll be ready to come and talk to Tym or Chris to make sure that they'll be available to spend some time with you when you come.

That is awesome!! I will give you guys a shout tomorrow and set some time up in early december! You guys rock! May have just made the decision for me!

 

[Charger442]

been looking hard at the chinaskeet... but this thread is swinging me towards the Nox. Already am pulling the trigger on the Halo LR instead of the Reap-Ir.

Could be an all Nvision party at my house.

 

[Hoyter87]

Looks like a damn HD videocamera rather than a thermal. I cannot believe the contrast and detail. Makes all of my thermals look like clown gear.

 

[Jim Out]

Looks like a damn HD videocamera rather than a thermal. I cannot believe the contrast and detail. Makes all of my thermals look like clown gear.

Jay's video sure seems to indicate I'm in for a whole new level of "writing my name in the snow" when this gear shows up.

 

[NHPiper]

I got to meet up today with Tym who works with N Vision and play with the Nox. We sat down to eat lunch and I looked at a window that was perpendicular to where we were sitting. The window was about ten feet away and I joke you not, I could see a thermal reflection of myself in the window looking through the unit.

Really just appreciated the opportunity to meet some of the team there and check out the stuff in person speaks volumes to their service.

 

[Max_R]

... if you think the nvision guys are gonna say the China skeet image is better... roflmao

@Eliteuas sorry, I just noticed your comment. Here is my response. I had a chance to compare the Nox with pre-production optics to the China skeet. In my observations, China skeet looked very good in high contrast scenes especially in the central part of the image. I would say that their image looked more "striking" or appealing under good thermal conditions. China skeet does a very good job with image enhancement algorithms (contrast boosting?), and it's quite apparent. However, in low thermal contrast scenarios, especially across the entire field of view the Nox wins. I attribute this to a higher thermal sensitivity of the Nox sensor and/or objective lens performance. We will have to wait and see what other people report but this is my observation on a sample size of one.

 

[Charger442]

dont be telling me the chinaskeet is more better than the Nox. That aint gonna fly!

 

[Max_R]

dont be telling me the chinaskeet is more better than the Nox. That aint gonna fly!

No, it's not better.

 

[texas_vet00]

NOX on order... What am I in for?

 

[TheHorta]

NOX on order... What am I in for?

Dirty looks when your wife sees the next credit card bill?

 

[texas_vet00]

Dirty looks when your wife sees the next credit card bill?

You are sooooo correct...

 

[texas_vet00]

At least I didn’t buy another rifle?

 

[Old Man with Gun]

Is there anyone with experience weapons mounting the NOX? I assume it works as a stand alone scope?

 

[Frog05]

Is there anyone with experience weapons mounting the NOX? I assume it works as a stand alone scope?

Yessir it does.

 

[deersniper]

Group buy ?

 

[Rerun7]

Group buy ?

 

[deersniper]

 

[Sniperwannabee]

CoronaSkeet: Lighter, cheaper, better image quality. Cons: Suspect build quality, support, durability, no weapon mount, funky internal battery support, every purchase by a US citizen comes with a free "I love Hunter Biden!" bumper sticker.

Nox: Heavier, more expensive, unproven (likely a non-issue). Pros: weapon mountable, robust, American made/supported/warranted. A commie dies with every purchase.

thats the best sales pitch ever...where do i buy a nox

 

[battbot]

How much do you typically save with group buys?

 

[deersniper]

Half

 

[Jim Out]

Yessir it does.

So you got your shipment that went out Monday 12-21-2020, that's awesome!!!!!

Just the 18mm?

How many units did you get?

Can't wait for mine, thanks again for the awesome video!!!!

 

[ryu_sekai]

CoronaSkeet: Lighter, cheaper, better image quality. Cons: Suspect build quality, support, durability, no weapon mount, funky internal battery support, every purchase by a US citizen comes with a free "I love Hunter Biden!" bumper sticker.

Nox: Heavier, more expensive, unproven (likely a non-issue). Pros: weapon mountable, robust, American made/supported/warranted. A commie dies with every purchase.

The Iray has better image than the nox?

 

[wsaelee]

Nox has better image than skeetir-x?

 

[Dvlray6]

Nox has better image than skeetir-x?

Doubtful. I’d have to see to believe.

 

[TheHorta]

Nox has better image than skeetir-x?

I dunno. Someone with both will be along shortly. My original comment was based upon a comment by Max some months ago that said, if I understood it correctly, that the Nox would use the same sensor and display screen as the Halo, and would have similar image quality — which is excellent (better than my Trijicon ReapIR V2 60mm). However, the ChinaSkeet has better image quality than my Halo-LR.

Not a huge quality difference, but noticeable.

The ChinaSkeet has a display that has 400% more pixels than the Halo/Nox display. It also has a newer 10um sensor than the 12um BAE sensor in Trijicon/Nvision stuff (not saying it’s better, just newer generation technology).

That is where my original reply stems from. Maybe NVision has some Voodoo magicians employed that worked their mysticism. In light of Wig’s posts, there seems to be little practical difference between the Trijicon 300 and the Nox, which leads me to believe that — based upon image quality alone — the ChinaSkeet might still be a smidge better.

Regardless, it’s like the Porsche vs Ferrari debate. Fanboys gonna fan.

 

[ryu_sekai]

I dunno. Someone with both will be along shortly. My original comment was based upon a comment by Max some months ago that said, if I understood it correctly, that the Nox would use the same sensor and display screen as the Halo, and would have similar image quality — which is excellent (better than my Trijicon ReapIR V2 60mm). However, the ChinaSkeet has better image quality than my Halo-LR.

Not a huge quality difference, but noticeable.

The ChinaSkeet has a display that has 400% more pixels than the Halo/Nox display. It also has a newer 10um sensor than the 12um BAE sensor in Trijicon/Nvision stuff (not saying it’s better, just newer generation technology).

That is where my original reply stems from. Maybe NVision has some Voodoo magicians employed that worked their mysticism. In light of Wig’s posts, there seems to be little practical difference between the Trijicon 300 and the Nox, which leads me to believe that — based upon image quality alone — the ChinaSkeet might still be a smidge better.

Regardless, it’s like the Porsche vs Ferrari debate. Fanboys gonna fan.

I think if the image quality is noticeable then the difference is significant.

 

[TheHorta]

I think if the image quality is noticeable then the difference is significant.

Not really. Both have great displays. I’d say the difference is more along the lines of SCAR-20 vs an SR-25. Neither will make you a better shooter, but you may prefer one over the other.

The HD display in the CoronaSkeet is hard to overcome. 400% more pixels/resolution is a non-trivial difference. But if I were to very subjectively quantify my perceived difference, it might be 10%.

 

[wsaelee]

I dunno. Someone with both will be along shortly. My original comment was based upon a comment by Max some months ago that said, if I understood it correctly, that the Nox would use the same sensor and display screen as the Halo, and would have similar image quality — which is excellent (better than my Trijicon ReapIR V2 60mm). However, the ChinaSkeet has better image quality than my Halo-LR.

Not a huge quality difference, but noticeable.

The ChinaSkeet has a display that has 400% more pixels than the Halo/Nox display. It also has a newer 10um sensor than the 12um BAE sensor in Trijicon/Nvision stuff (not saying it’s better, just newer generation technology).

That is where my original reply stems from. Maybe NVision has some Voodoo magicians employed that worked their mysticism. In light of Wig’s posts, there seems to be little practical difference between the Trijicon 300 and the Nox, which leads me to believe that — based upon image quality alone — the ChinaSkeet might still be a smidge better.

Regardless, it’s like the Porsche vs Ferrari debate. Fanboys gonna fan.

Thanks Horta,
How's the MH25 compared to the skeetx?
Which one is better image?

 

[TheHorta]

Thanks Horta,
How's the MH25 compared to the skeetx?
Which one is better image?

Pretty similar. They’re different looks, but the ChinaSkeet holds up very well. On display quality alone, there’s no justification for the extreme price differential. That said, for me anyway, the Genuine Skeet has a little something extra — and you can use it on a weapon with TracIR.

 

[ryu_sekai]

Not really. Both have great displays. I’d say the difference is more along the lines of SCAR-20 vs an SR-25. Neither will make you a better shooter, but you may prefer one over the other.

The HD display in the CoronaSkeet is hard to overcome. 400% more pixels/resolution is a non-trivial difference. But if I were to very subjectively quantify my perceived difference, it might be 10%.

Lol exactly 10% or 400% is significant

 

[stefan73]

Lol exactly 10% or 400% is significant

Yes, but is perception reality and reality perception? or so Atwater says

How are we weighing the item? Solely on number of pixels or the item on overall package? Picture, weight, durability, support, versatility, cost?

The other question is what can our eyes distinguish?

Would love to know? Because I am no optician.

 

[wsaelee]

Pretty similar. They’re different looks, but the ChinaSkeet holds up very well. On display quality alone, there’s no justification for the extreme price differential. That said, for me anyway, the Genuine Skeet has a little something extra — and you can use it on a weapon with TracIR.

Can you see deer antlers at 100 yards with the skeetx or chinaskeet?

 

[jerako92]

Any update on the NOX18? looking to purchase a unit, but don't see much actual user review posted anywhere and definitely not much besides the manufacturer videos.

 

[Lowdown3]

@GreenMushroom He's been posting a TON of good pics and info.