Let’s go over your breakdown.
Let's go over yours before you join the other dumb shits on my ignore list.
First, not really a fan of arfcom, but if they can see that waking up a homeowner and shooting him in his own doorway is a bad thing and that fact is lost on you it probably says more about you then it does arfcom.
Glossing over the fact that the innocent homeowner ignored their announcements and pointed a gun at them, but whatever Ace
Second, your point that the police and dispatchers go to the wrong address often and that it is unavoidable because of human error. In the video you see the officers pass a clearly marked house number sign, if it is such a common problem ya think it might be a good policy that they stop for two seconds and verify it?
That's why I said... and I'll quote myself here "double check shit if it seems like something is off"
And to clarify because you seem a bit slow and like to cherry pick what suits your point of view, I said often CALLERS will report the wrong addresses, and yeah sometimes it gets screwed up on the backend too
The officers were on a pretty leisurely walk and joking themselves , so I think it’s safe to assume
Yeah, your first assumption was spot on, idiot
that the original call wasn’t about something life threatening. Since as you say the police get the address wrong all the time because I guess we don’t pay them enough to read street signs,
Did they go to the wrong number or were they given the wrong number? Try not to use your clever assumptions when you answer.
ya think it might be a good idea for them to turn on the red and blues in the middle of the night
Depends on the type of call, sometimes you don't want to advertise your presence.
so they don’t have to gun down a family who’s only mistake it seems was going to bed at a decent hour.
Going to bed at a decent hour, not looking out the window before opening the door, ignoring the guys outside the door saying "police... police..."
pointing a gun at the police...
Etc.
Third, your statement that they announced themselves. The officer announced himself in a conversation level volume. If someone wasn’t directly on the other side of the door would they have heard him? Considering it seems
You're assuming again. You don't know where they were and video doesn't accurately represent dick.
like everyone in the house had been in bed can you hear someone speaking at your door if your in bed on the other side of the house.
I have a doorbell camera, so yeah, I can. If I didn't, I'd look out the window before opening the door and waiving a gun around. You want to excuse stupidity and make it the Cops fault, it's faulty logic.
Before the officers realized they were at the wrong address they stayed at the front door for 1 minute and 35 seconds, hardly enough time for someone to realize someone is at the door and to find something to put on and answer it.
Guess it depends what they wear to bed, doesn't it? I don't need to get dressed if I'm not going outside. I can easily get to my front door in 90 seconds and if whatever's going on requires me stepping out in the cold, I'll tell whoever's out there to hang on while I grab a coat. Which is conveniently located by the front door.
The chances anyone in that house heard him state police is somewhere around zero.
Assuming again dummy. Just like you assumed his gun was at his side and it fucking wasn't.
Forth, the officers had turned and left, from the video they were almost across the lawn.
They were backing up because they heard him coming.
When the man opened his door all he saw were black shapes in his yard,
You don't know what he saw.
the officers then lit him up with flashlights so he couldn’t see anything.
So what.
In reaction the man raised his weapon, the officers didn’t say police,
They'd already said it three times and when a dudes pointing a gun at you... times a little tight. I'm sure you'd have given him all the time in the world.
Plot twist for your bullshit analysis. They didn't know they were at the wrong house yet. When a dude comes to the door pointing a gun, perhaps they thought "oh fuck maybe this is the house?!"
they instead yelled drop the gun and they fired at almost the exact same time. So your position is we should never leave our homes if we perceive a threat,
EXACTLY DUMBASS.
Why would you leave a position of advantage and safety, according to you, not dressed appropriately for the weather, to step outside, while being blinded and unable to positively identify who's in your yard... with a fucking gun.
You're a moron. You have to identify a threat. Had he shot one of them without positively identifying a threat he'd be the one in the hotseat right now.
because we may be shot by police who routinely get the address wrong on police calls,
You won't if you stay inside without waiving a gun around like a dumbass. You obviously a dumbass so all you need is the gun and you've got the ingredients for getting killed by the police in the middle of the night.
one of the worst theories since if you drown a witch and they float they must be a witch.
Fifth, the investigation. What facts are they trying to uncover in the investigation that are not already known.
We could start with ruling out stupid ass assumptions like "I'm sure he answered the door with his gun at his side."
It’s on video. You have the statements of four people, two officers and the wife and daughter. These are the facts not in question. The officers went to the wrong address and were on someone’s property without any reason whatsoever.
You really are dumb dude. Having the wrong address doesn't mean they had no reason to be there. It means they had the wrong address.
The officers did not effectively announce themselves where anyone in the residence could have heard them.
Says you.
The officers didn’t stay at the front door long enough for the property owner to answer it,
Says you.
which if they had the property owner would have at least had the opportunity to look out the peep hole and see who was there. When the property owner did come out the police had moved far enough away that they couldn’t be easily identified in the lighting conditions. The police did not identify themselves when they saw the property owner, instead they lit him up with flashlights, and when they saw the gun yelled drop the gun while firing at the same time making the command useless.
From the property owner’s perspective. I’m asleep and my wife says Jim there are people outside if she saw the flashlights or at the door. I get up, find a t shirt and get my firearm. On the way to the door I see flashlights through my windows. I get to the door look through the peep hole and see nothing.
Should have stopped there.
I open the door take one step out,
Mistake number one
immediately I get hit in the face with 2 flashlight beams and can’t see anything now. In reflex I raise my weapon and get shot.
Mistake number two, fatal
From the police perspective or what it should have been. I realize I’m at the wrong address and I’ve been knocking on someone’s door in the middle of the night not to mention shining flashlights through the windows. I stay at the front door for a few minutes giving the homeowner time to get to the door so I can apologize for my mistake, because you know they pay my salary. Let’s assume
Let's stop assuming anything
I don’t do that, at that point I’m aware I have no right to be where I am, and to tread lightly. When I hear the homeowner open the door I yell police several times probably waiving my hands, what I don’t do is light the homeowner up like a Christmas tree with flashlights. Let’s assume I don’t even do that. I realize I’ve blinded the homeowner so instead of killing a innocent taxpayer and anyone unlucky enough to be behind him I risk my life and yell police department again, why? Because I am someplace I don’t have any right to be. Do I don’t do that either, now someone else picked up the weapon and is widely firing. I keep my cool, I already know I’ve killed one innocent man tonight, and who ever firing is probably his wife or kid. So I retreat to my left behind the garage, not start firing into the house like it’s the ok corral.
Nothing the homeowner did was stupid, if I hear someone outside my house in the middle of the night I would have reacted to it the same way, and I wouldn’t deserve to get shot by the police because they evidently go to the wrong address as a matter of habit.
I'm out of patience for this, we're done. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, you ad lib, assume, and insert shit into a situation where it suits you. None of it has any basis in what actually happened, you have no experience with any of this.
You and Wade should get together and rub tips.
