On Falling Crime Rates

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Yeah, how about that? Mr. Garland gets up there talking about how crimes of dropped and I absolutely absolutely laughed. not sure how that creative writing came about, but it was creative writing.
 
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Leftist solution to all problems: Suppress and censor their coverage, delete comments and reports, and make fake narratives about how "nothing is wrong"... Same tactic used by all totalitarian governments.

At a certain point, people need to realize that enablers are far worse than the actual perpetrators and if something is going to be done about it, the enablers will have to be dealt with first. A wolf sneaking onto a farm and killing chickens is just a wolf. That is what wolves do. But what about the Ed Gein looking creep ass motherfucker that lives in a dilapidated shed down the road who has been caught snipping fences at night and purposefully letting the wolves onto his neighbors' ranches just to spite them and get a rise out of seeing their livelihoods destroyed? Some scenes from Children of the Corn holds the answer to that...
 
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Another little gem:

Back in the 90’s through about 2010 police departments were aggressive. They hired ass kickers and encouraged them to be proactive. In between calls for service cops would roll around, stop criminals, and take them to jail for various offenses. And criminals would actually get time. Nowadays cops are discouraged from being proactive and encouraged to only clear calls. This coupled with criminals not getting any jail time is driving the crime rate up. And politicians are doing everything to cover it up.
 
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Kocher said:
Yeah, how about that? Mr. Garland gets up there talking about how crimes of dropped and I absolutely absolutely laughed. not sure how that creative writing came about, but it was creative writing.
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just like how abortion numbers dropped, after states like ny and ca stopped reporting.
 
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XLR308 said:
If you just stop reporting it or reclasify crimes it looks so much better.
Add on top of that DA's not willing to prosecute criminals the police no longer want to fuck with all of the paperwork and viola lower crime stats.
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If you look at NSSF gun sales numbers though, millions of new gun owners now have the ability to equalize the fight, and violent criminals don’t tend to fare well in those cases.

If the trend is true, this would be a significant factor. Also, low T levels and more screen time for criminals might steer them more to e-crimes and less violence. The state of your common street thug these days is not impressive. Lots of limp-wristed obese miscreants with saggy pants and skinny ankles, phat glutes, beer bellies at age 22, and seem more retarded than prior generations of criminals who I thought couldn’t get any dumber without crossing over into the Mongoloid realm. In fact, Mongoloids are geniuses and contribute more to society compared to these guys.

Check the gauge tuck and wrap. Took me a bit to figure out what was going on here too:

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Then the skinny ones aren’t so bright either:

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Have you ever looked at ANTIFA mugshots?

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You know what I see in these photos? Kids without fathers. Had they had fathers and mothers working together, they could have taught them consequences, which would have steered them far away from Marxism and stupid decisions. If you look at each one of them, you see a pattern of really stupid decision-making just with appearance, hair colors, face and head tats, gender confusion, but more importantly, eyes that show no real hope, with smug leftism rolled in.
 
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Local police departments being able to opt out of reporting crime statistics is just idiotic. Also, with the left's unwillingness to prosecute crime (CA decriminalizing thefts of less than $950) things get even more unreliable because there is no reason to report crimes and the cops can't be bothered to arrest folks because Progressive DA's won't prosecute. At this point most crime data in America is pure fiction.

The irony is if Republicans were to take control of the Federal government and force accurate reporting the Democrats would blame them for increased crime.
 
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Reporting crime is pointless, it only drives up insurance rates because fucktards with badges won't bother to arrest them, prosecutors won't prosecute them and judges won't jail them. If they are send to prison the state will release them years early without telling the victims.

The FBI will register them to vote and pay them to be criminals. Fuck the system these days.
 
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theLBC said:
www.themarshallproject.org

See if Police in Your State Reported Crime Data to the FBI

Nearly one-third of law enforcement agencies are missing from the FBI's 2022 crime statistics. Use our tables to check on your state and local agencies.
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I don't see how not reporting to the new system put in place in 2022. Has been effecting the crime rate since 1990. 🤔


I wonder if departments not reporting to the new system starting in 2022 were still reporting to the old system.

How are we gauging that violent crime has gone up? News reports from a few shithole cities? Are we looking at the reported fall in "violent crime" and equating that to all crime?

Pretty sad what some places are being turned into.
 
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Franko said:
Local police departments being able to opt out of reporting crime statistics is just idiotic. Also, with the left's unwillingness to prosecute crime (CA decriminalizing thefts of less than $950) things get even more unreliable because there is no reason to report crimes and the cops can't be bothered to arrest folks because Progressive DA's won't prosecute. At this point most crime data in America is pure fiction.

The irony is if Republicans were to take control of the Federal government and force accurate reporting the Democrats would blame them for increased crime.
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I used to work on public-sector software in the late 90s. It was a big deal for municipalities to report that data back then. It was called NCIS or NCIC reporting I think. They would buy software from us to facilitate that reporting. The intention was good actually, report all crime consistently cross-country for analysis, including analysis by the public.

Last time I looked, the data is not easily downloaded. You can go through a form to get some minimally interesting data, but did not see any way to download everything. I can understand if certain management got empowered and directed changes to obfuscate such reporting, if it showed trends they didn't like. Don't like it, but I could see it happening.
 
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supercorndogs said:
I don't see how not reporting to the new system put in place in 2022. Has been effecting the crime rate since 1990. 🤔


I wonder if departments not reporting to the new system starting in 2022 were still reporting to the old system.

How are we gauging that violent crime has gone up? News reports from a few shithole cities? Are we looking at the reported fall in "violent crime" and equating that to all crime?

Pretty sad what some places are being turned into.
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You argued in another thread that statistics are BS because they are compiled and interpreted by people with an agenda:

Post in thread 'Woman killed by yorkie'
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/woman-killed-by-yorkie.7221277/post-11614006

I agree. So where do people get the idea that crime is going up? Situational awareness. Go and talk to people who actually deal first hand with lowlifes in your community. Universally they will tell you crime has doubled at the very least over what it was in the 90’s.

You mentioned a lowering trend in crime since the 90’s. That’s because there was an increasing trend in prosecution and incarceration as a result of what happened in the 70’s through the 80’s. All of that has been reversed starting in 2010. We’re in full blown liberal utopia of the 70’s all over again.

Everyone sees it.
 
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918v said:
You argued in another thread that statistics are BS because they are compiled and interpreted by people with an agenda:

Post in thread 'Woman killed by yorkie'
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/woman-killed-by-yorkie.7221277/post-11614006

I agree. So where do people get the idea that crime is going up? Situational awareness. Go and talk to people who actually deal first hand with lowlifes in your community. Universally they will tell you crime has doubled at the very least over what it was in the 90’s.

You mentioned a lowering trend in crime since the 90’s. That’s because there was an increasing trend in prosecution and incarceration as a result of what happened in the 70’s through the 80’s. All of that has been reversed starting in 2010. We’re in full blown liberal utopia of the 70’s all over again.

Everyone sees it.
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The same statistics can be used to argue either side of an argument. Arguments based on statistics are generally B.S.

I posted the statistics complied that show a lowering violent crime rate since 1990.

The trend seems to be saying we now have more violent crime than the 1990s but they are covering it up by not reporting it to a system put in place in 2022. But doesn't explain why the down trend for the last 30 years. Or mention reporting numbers to the old system. I could see the crime rate being down easily. Especially violent crime. Minus a few small select areas. And minus the media fueled dark money funded riots of 2020.
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We all know cops are more scared now days. We see yall walking around everywhere in your body armor. Everybody seems prone to exegerate everything anymore. (Atmospheric river, its clouds you fucks)

They must be teaching them to be scared of their own shadow. Honestly looking at the TV and news. Maybe the bigger problem is they are teaching everyone to be afraid of their own shadow.

You can have a lower crime rate and more crime. You just need more people.
 
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The difference between 1990 and 2020 is nobody is going to jail. And if they are it’s only for a couple of days. They get released and go right back to crime. Prior to the laws being changed they would go to jail for months and to prison for years for the very same behavior. While incarcerated they didn’t commit crimes. As soon as they were released they would go back to criminality but the system would reincarnate them and the community would get a break. See all the homeless lining the streets? Those are the people who used to live in custody.
 
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That does jive with the numbers. We always hear how over crowded our prisons are but there are less people in prison now than in 2012. But probably more crime, even if the crime rate coukd be less because there are more people.
 

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With the expansion of Constitutional Carry legislation, it would be interesting to do the analysis across all the States and counties, taking into consideration demographics. Demographics are the #1 factor in the homicide rate, for example. Not the access to firearms or strict infringements. Not even poverty. When you combine lack of fathers in the home and demographics, you have a recipe for very high homicide and crime rates:

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The thing that jumped out at me immediately was the weird, very remote counties in the Western US. I’ve been all over these States and don’t remember any concentrations of people out there. Look at the pink areas in UT, WY, MT, and SD. I wondered what the heck was going on in those places, because it’s not just snap shots, but year-over-year. A few homicides in a remote county could make it spike on a map one year, then go back to zero for a few years and look like another remote county with the same population, but they still trend with more frequent murders.

Then I found this map and voila, it’s like an overlay:

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For the US Deep South, simply look at the county demographics and you will see extremely high percentages of blacks in those high homicide rate counties. When I was in NC, I had to clear leather quite often whereas I’ve never had to in Utah other than for a rattlesnake. Never had to in Colorado either and I was on the road every single day, 6 days a week when I lived there.

I’m still interested in the changes, if any, based on Constitutional Carry. I’m not judging anyone, just noticing facts that can’t be dismissed. If I was a Tribal Native American whose ancestors originally lived on the East Coast or around the Mississippi where all the stuff is green, crops grow well, plenty of things to hunt and fish, then was stuck off living in the middle of nowhere in a hot, dry, high desert with a firewater convenience store, I wonder how my standard of living would be compared to what it is.

Same for a black kid in the projects with a 57yr-old great grandma, 43yr-old grandma, 31yr-old mom who all are collecting welfare, who have a bunch of kids from different baby daddies in and out of prison, never to be seen again/rarely, and I’m 11-17yrs old with no father. I’m going to feel cheated at life, and try to fill that void with something, namely other kids like me who are looking to get into some action. The LBJ/Democrat welfare state they created has destroyed these families and has cost this Nation immeasurably, including many innocent lives ended, and better lives never realized where they really should have been.

The truth doesn’t fit into any clean, partisan packages, though the Conservative American principles would have prevented this had they been adhered to.
 
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supercorndogs said:
That does jive with the numbers. We always hear how over crowded our prisons are but there are less people in prison now than in 2012. But probably more crime, even if the crime rate coukd be less because there are more people.
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I don’t know what your pdf contains. I’m not downloading it.

What does not jive with the numbers?

There are less people in prison now because of the law changes. Most crimes are not eligible for prison, in ca anyway. And every time the population goes down the governor orders a prison closed.

I think we are in agreement, tho. Probably more crime because the criminals are out to commit them more often.
 
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XLR308 said:
If you just stop reporting it or reclasify crimes it looks so much better.
Add on top of that DA's not willing to prosecute criminals the police no longer want to fuck with all of the paperwork and viola lower crime stats.
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Pretty much this, places like Oakland the people have pretty much just given up on reporting crimes, what’s the point, who knows what the actual crime rate is in allot of cities. I live in a pretty safe place and was rear ended by a drunk in the middle of the day last month, followed her home and stood outside with her throwing wine bottles at me for almost 2 hours for the cops to show up. I would guess the fbi crime rate is whatever they want it to be and has very little to do with reality.
 
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Usually the pendulum would swing back and law and order would dominate for a decade or two and then the cycle would restart. However this time it seems like the Democrats are trying to break the cycle by importing massive amounts of third world immigrants that are used to living in low trust shitholes and aren't upset by it. So our new "Americans" will keep voting Democrat because they have never known anything else and they aren't going to risk losing their free stuff they get from Democratic politicians.
 
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918v said:
I don’t know what your pdf contains. I’m not downloading it.

What does not jive with the numbers?

There are less people in prison now because of the law changes. Most crimes are not eligible for prison, in ca anyway. And every time the population goes down the governor orders a prison closed.

I think we are in agreement, tho. Probably more crime because the criminals are out to commit them more often.
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A virus that simultaneously steals all your information and turns you gay. Good choice not to click. 🤣🤣🤣

I said that does jive with the numbers. You added the not. The pdf is a yearly break down of us prison population since 2012. I swear it won't steal your info...😏🤣
 
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supercorndogs said:
A virus that simultaneously steals all your information and turns you gay. Good choice not to click. 🤣🤣🤣

I said that does jive with the numbers. You added the not. The pdf is a yearly break down of us prison population since 2012. I swear it won't steal your info...😏🤣
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I had a supervisor once who kept telling me to focus. Now I understand.
 
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XLR308 said:
If you just stop reporting it or reclasify crimes it looks so much better.
Add on top of that DA's not willing to prosecute criminals the police no longer want to fuck with all of the paperwork and viola lower crime stats.
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It is not just crime. It is every statistic, every data point, every word, every sentence from now until the election will be to support a narrative.

ALL OF IT.
 
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Everyone is on board to make criminal justice reform look good. That goes from governor on down.

In CA when they changed felonies into misdemeanors, judges had the ability and the political backing to give criminals up to 364 days in jail. Understand we’re dealing with people with multi page rap sheets. But these judges gave them nothing. These people are laughing at us while they’re destroying our community.

We need a system to track judicial decisions and hold these judges accountable at the ballot box. Nobody reports on this. But these judges affect our lives to the same extent as other politicians.
 
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We had a woke County Prosecutor who was letting felons loose, killing the casework put in by the DA’s office, and lost 25 attorneys due to his toxic leadership and lack of prosecutorial mandate. That included downgrading a double vehicle manslaughter case where some meth head under the influence and out on parole for the same crashed into someone’s rural property and killed their 2 twin 3yr-old boys who were playing within the fenced confines of their fence and horse corral.

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As County delegates, we really wanted him gone and replaced. It was weird because he and his son popped for Wuhanflu on a return from Ukraine, where they had been cleaning out an apartment in Kiev. Anyway, we thankfully were able to crush him in 2022 and replace him with an actual experienced attorney from the State AG’s office who would do his job.

But even in one of the most Conservative counties in the entire US, we had a woke County Attorney who was pushing this catch-and-release chaos agenda that is straight out of the Soviet Active Measures Ideological Warfare campaign as described by the defector literature. One of the ways Marxists overthrow a government is by releasing prisoners, flooding the society with known violent offenders and mental patients, so that more chaos ensues and they offer crack-downs with a robust security apparatus once the people call for law and order.

This is used as a cover to eliminate or imprison political opponents to Marxism, so they can get away with the vote-rigging and election manipulations until a majority of Marxists are in the government.
 
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LRRPF52 said:
We had a woke County Prosecutor who was letting felons loose, killing the casework put in by the DA’s office, and lost 25 attorneys due to his toxic leadership and lack of prosecutorial mandate. That included downgrading a double vehicle manslaughter case where some meth head under the influence and out on parole for the same crashed into someone’s rural property and killed their 2 twin 3yr-old boys who were playing within the fenced confines of their fence and horse corral.

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As County delegates, we really wanted him gone and replaced. It was weird because he and his son popped for Wuhanflu on a return from Ukraine, where they had been cleaning out an apartment in Kiev. Anyway, we thankfully were able to crush him in 2022 and replace him with an actual experienced attorney from the State AG’s office who would do his job.

But even in one of the most Conservative counties in the entire US, we had a woke County Attorney who was pushing this catch-and-release chaos agenda that is straight out of the Soviet Active Measures Ideological Warfare campaign as described by the defector literature. One of the ways Marxists overthrow a government is by releasing prisoners, flooding the society with known violent offenders and mental patients, so that more chaos ensues and they offer crack-downs with a robust security apparatus once the people call for law and order.

This is used as a cover to eliminate or imprison political opponents to Marxism, so they can get away with the vote-rigging and election manipulations until a majority of Marxists are in the government.
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That's a heartbreaking story.
I can only hope the meth head is now deceased.
 
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XLR308 said:
That's a heartbreaking story.
I can only hope the meth head is now deceased.
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He survived of course, was charged with really weak infractions that caught the ire of the community, County Attorney Leavitt was voted out and replaced with Gray in 2022, who subsequently upgraded the charges to multiple felonious counts of murder and possession of a controlled substance.

Charges upgraded to murder of man who killed 2 toddlers
Barlow is now charged with two counts of murder, first-degree felonies as well as one count of possession or use of a controlled substance, a class A misdemeanor.

In May 2022, the two toddlers, identified as Odin Ratliff and Hunter Jackson, were playing in a corral when a car crashed through the fence, killing them instantly.

At the time, investigators said the driver, identified as Barlow, was impaired and driving nearly 100 miles per hour when he ran through a stop sign and left the road.

In the days after the crash, manslaughter charges were filed by previous Utah County Attorney David Leavitt.
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LRRPF52 said:
He survived of course, was charged with really weak infractions that caught the ire of the community, County Attorney Leavitt was voted out and replaced with Gray in 2022, who subsequently upgraded the charges to multiple felonious counts of murder and possession of a controlled substance.

Charges upgraded to murder of man who killed 2 toddlers
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Hopefully if there is any justice that fuckers breathing status will be upgraded soon.
 
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XLR308 said:
Hopefully if there is any justice that fuckers breathing status will be upgraded soon.
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He was doing 100mph when he blasted through their fence and horse corral, high out of his mind.

One of my neighbors who is a cop said he had arrested this guy multiple times before for possession and DUI, but Leavitt kept letting him out.
 
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Report: In Crime-Ridden LA, DA Sits on Over 15,000 Unfiled Cases

LA's DA is making California less safe as he is not going after lawbreakers while residents continue to leave the state.
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Soros-funded Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx has been an absolute disaster for Chicagoans.
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Foxx dismissed 25,000 felony case in Chicago.
 
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Los Angeles has been corrupt at the city council and LAPD levels since the late 1800s, then was taken over by the Mafia during Prohibition.

Mafia was smart by maintaining very low profiles, and just creating environments where the money flowed into their coffers. Nancy Pelosi comes from a Mafia loyalist/stooge family, as does Kevin McCarthy.

The funny thing is I think we’re pushing into a space where the Mafia types are not liking where things are headed either, especially as they see the Democrat Marxists favor the Mexican cartels. The Mafia has dealt with the Colombians for decades in the cocaine trade, but I’m not sure what their relationship is with the Mexican cartels. Turf wars are not a good thing for society.
 
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LRRPF52 said:
Los Angeles has been corrupt at the city council and LAPD levels since the late 1800s, then was taken over by the Mafia during Prohibition.

Mafia was smart by maintaining very low profiles, and just creating environments where the money flowed into their coffers. Nancy Pelosi comes from a Mafia loyalist/stooge family, as does Kevin McCarthy.

The funny thing is I think we’re pushing into a space where the Mafia types are not liking where things are headed either, especially as they see the Democrat Marxists favor the Mexican cartels. The Mafia has dealt with the Colombians for decades in the cocaine trade, but I’m not sure what their relationship is with the Mexican cartels. Turf wars are not a good thing for society.
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I say pop up some popcorn and watch the Mafia and dirt monkey Cartels kill each other.
I mean what are they going to do mess up LA ? 🤣🤣🤣
 
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XLR308 said:
I say pop up some popcorn and watch the Mafia and dirt monkey Cartels kill each other.
I mean what are they going to do mess up LA ? 🤣🤣🤣
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Mafia in the US took over the government long ago, built a secret police to enforce their rackets from within the US legal system, so they simply manage people on lower rungs to do their bidding.
 
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LRRPF52 said:
Mafia in the US took over the government long ago, built a secret police to enforce their rackets from within the US legal system, so they simply manage people on lower rungs to do their bidding.
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Fair enough but you didn't exactly specify which Mafia.
Street level enforcers, local gov., Congress, Cia, FBI, DOJ or the mumbling stumbling fucktard shiting his pants in the Whitehouse.
 
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