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Gunsmithing On or Off Site CNC Machining Bootcamp

GasLight

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Anyone aware of something like this? I am considering investing in a small CNC machining center, and would like some sort of consultation on purchase, setup, and then a crash course in running the machine. Does anyone around outside the manufactures offer a more abbreviated course on CNC machining without going to a trade school for a year? I am not trying to suggest the year program isn't a good idea at all, so not trying to debate the value of that angle... I have drawn in auto cad and solidworks, but never used a CAM program to output code...

Thanks!
 
Converting the code is not a thing you will have the problem with.
Setting up tools, offsets, holding fixtures, speeds feeds setting zeros, etc.

Get a retired machinest to work / teach you part time.
 
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Might find one willing to teach you for time on the machine for his personal projects?
Not as easy to slip things past the boss as it used to be.
 
Anyone aware of something like this? I am considering investing in a small CNC machining center, and would like some sort of consultation on purchase, setup, and then a crash course in running the machine. Does anyone around outside the manufactures offer a more abbreviated course on CNC machining without going to a trade school for a year? I am not trying to suggest the year program isn't a good idea at all, so not trying to debate the value of that angle... I have drawn in auto cad and solidworks, but never used a CAM program to output code...

Thanks!


CAM 101:

The first thing you do before you ever consider pushing the green button is ensuring you have a rock solid Post Processor in your CAM system. The "Post" is the (layman terms here so everyone gets this) translater between the graphical interface that you interact with and the actual NC file that the system outputs to a machine.

For instance, and where this becomes a big effing deal.

G90 (G code) In a milling center that typically means "absolute positioning." Take that as you bang a probe off two faces and set your X/Y zero datum point. That value is hard coded into the offset page of your control.

With G90 any position in space is referenced from the location stored.

G90 in a lathe (FANUC control) is a canned turning cycle for removing material with minimal brain damage in programming.


Where this is relevant: If you had a CAM system and you programmed both a lathe and mill with it, you absolutely cannot use the same Post. It would likely just alarm and you'd scratch your head to figure it out, however, there could be some very costly, violent stuff that happens until it (the control) sees something it cannot process.

Posts:

Posts are very, very editable so that you can tailor the machine to do what you want/need. For example. My Kitamura Mycenter III has a Tsudakoma 4th axis. That 4th often has big fixtures in it. Combine this with long tool lengths and we have a train wreck waiting to happen. I paid north of $50,000.00 for the 4th axis alone, so it's in my interest to not bang stuff into it.

To save my bacon I edited my post so that during a tool change, the table rapids as far away from the spindle as possible to ensure adequate clearance. We do the same thing with our Haas that we do the stock work in.

Post editing does not come cheap if you hire someone to do it for you. They rip your head off and crap in the hole that's left. I don't advocate the "hold my beer" mentality when doing this BUT, you can do it yourself. You just have to be very, very methodical in your approach. First thing, learn how to archive your source code so that you NEVER edit the master. If you screw up, you can always go back to the starting point. This will happen, count on it.

This is just one small example of what the post does. You can tailor these things to do a number of things, almost infinite and it is to your interest financially to build your knowledge base.

This is a big deal. Don't underscore it and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

CAM systems basically all work the same. You have basically a group of file formats that interact with another with the code output to the machine being the end game.

Graphical
Background graphical (another translator of sorts)
Post
NC

Do your self a favor and spend the time to define your tools well. It'll save you in the long run. ALWAYS, ALWAYS update your source code.

Example: Your under pressure to get a rifle wrapped up and a floor metal inlet is holding you up. You post a program and it's close, however you need to comp your tool. You could go and "fat finger" a tool wear offset value, but then the next job you run might not need it. Will you forget to set it back to zero so that the next part doesn't come out over/under size?

Count on it. The phone will ring....

So, make yourself sit back at the computer and bump your stuff there. Then save it. Then post it again.


This will save you thousands of dollars over your career. Ask me how I know...


25 years at it and I was doing it (in a custom rifle building environment) long before most. Get your head in it and it'll reward beyond your expectations. Just be prepared to work at it. It never comes easy, its the polar opposite of cheap, and it won't happen overnight.

As for your direct question. With You Tube, there is not one single reason to pay money or step foot into a classroom for this stuff. That is no shit and I'll lock horns with anyone till I pass out from arguing. Self Education is the best way to learn and the resources are plentiful and FREE.

Last, buy the absolute largest machine you can afford to put on your floor. You will always wish for more work envelope. That is no joke. Also, do not make the mistake of saying "I'll just get the basic one to get my feet wet." If you are in this trade to make money, then you must have tools to do that. If the machine is $100K and you put 10% down and float it for 5 years, you are looking at $2700/month in a payment. If we figure 20 days a month working, you gotta make just under $140/day with that spindle to make the nut.

If you can't make (at least) 5x that, you should have never bought the thing to start with. What I'm saying is don't plan your exit strategy when your just getting started.

This probably sounds like a load of shit. Take it for what it is. Its what has worked for me for a decade now under my own flag.



Hope this helps.

C.

My shop when I built it in 2011

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LRI today:

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Chad at LRI is a real pro and basically changed gunsmithing in the precision bolt world with his CNC techniques. He built me my first 6.5 Creedmoor before they were cool and it was a laser! He would be a good guy to learn from.
 
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Nice shop!

The op mention guns or what he was prototyping?

I am considering a mini mill for many reasons, but primary is to prototype, and I don't want to be confined to a particular industry until I find something unique. The problem with sourcing work out when experimenting is your limit becomes budgetary and not innovation based. Most products need several revisions before they are ready for production, when you have minimum count runs or extraordinary cost for machine time for each rendition it will limit what I want to do severely...
 
@GasLight

Do you mean a Haas or the chicom bench mill when you say "minimill"? What is the approximate size of parts you want to make? Any previous experience making Gcode? Do you need to make this fit on the 2nd story like the lathe in the other post.

If the Footprint of machine requirements for your space is the Haas, small Sharp VMC's and a lot of other machines have been shoehorned under a 7" garage - have you considered other machines? Be careful if you are considering older HAAS machines as they are no longer supporting the older controls and when a board goes that may mean a control upgrade

Do you have have a total budget and your software picked out yet?
 
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I am considering a mini mill for many reasons, but primary is to prototype, and I don't want to be confined to a particular industry until I find something unique. The problem with sourcing work out when experimenting is your limit becomes budgetary and not innovation based. Most products need several revisions before they are ready for production, when you have minimum count runs or extraordinary cost for machine time for each rendition it will limit what I want to do severely...


A close friend is a programmer and machinist of nearly 35 years. He's been the lead engineer for a motorcycle suspension company now for 3 or 4 years. They had a fully equipped shop when he started. The owner got the bright idea to get rid of all the equipment and sub the work out so that he could bump profits and cut the overhead.

The tales of my friend's frustration when trying to get a first article on a new design or revision sends shivers down my back. 9 weeks is the best they do. It used to take him maybe two shifts.

I'd rather play in the street with a dull razor during rush hour traffic than have to endure that. X1000 when I know I have the skill sets to do it myself the way I want rather than rely on others. No one will work harder on your life than you. That is just reality. In Western S. Dakota you have zero choice. Everything here comes by truck. There are no job shops hungry for work. You bring it in house or you starve.

I would say you are on the right path. Just don't shoot yourself in the foot. Buy the absolute biggest/best machine you can afford. If you do your part, it will pay for itself in short order. I promise you that.
 
CAM 101:

The first thing you do before you ever consider pushing the green button is ensuring you have a rock solid Post Processor in your CAM system. The "Post" is the (layman terms here so everyone gets this) translater between the graphical interface that you interact with and the actual NC file that the system outputs to a machine.

For instance, and where this becomes a big effing deal.

G90 (G code) In a milling center that typically means "absolute positioning." Take that as you bang a probe off two faces and set your X/Y zero datum point. That value is hard coded into the offset page of your control.

With G90 any position in space is referenced from the location stored.

G90 in a lathe (FANUC control) is a canned turning cycle for removing material with minimal brain damage in programming.


Where this is relevant: If you had a CAM system and you programmed both a lathe and mill with it, you absolutely cannot use the same Post. It would likely just alarm and you'd scratch your head to figure it out, however, there could be some very costly, violent stuff that happens until it (the control) sees something it cannot process.

Posts:

Posts are very, very editable so that you can tailor the machine to do what you want/need. For example. My Kitamura Mycenter III has a Tsudakoma 4th axis. That 4th often has big fixtures in it. Combine this with long tool lengths and we have a train wreck waiting to happen. I paid north of $50,000.00 for the 4th axis alone, so it's in my interest to not bang stuff into it.

To save my bacon I edited my post so that during a tool change, the table rapids as far away from the spindle as possible to ensure adequate clearance. We do the same thing with our Haas that we do the stock work in.

Post editing does not come cheap if you hire someone to do it for you. They rip your head off and crap in the hole that's left. I don't advocate the "hold my beer" mentality when doing this BUT, you can do it yourself. You just have to be very, very methodical in your approach. First thing, learn how to archive your source code so that you NEVER edit the master. If you screw up, you can always go back to the starting point. This will happen, count on it.

This is just one small example of what the post does. You can tailor these things to do a number of things, almost infinite and it is to your interest financially to build your knowledge base.

This is a big deal. Don't underscore it and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

CAM systems basically all work the same. You have basically a group of file formats that interact with another with the code output to the machine being the end game.

Graphical
Background graphical (another translator of sorts)
Post
NC

Do your self a favor and spend the time to define your tools well. It'll save you in the long run. ALWAYS, ALWAYS update your source code.

Example: Your under pressure to get a rifle wrapped up and a floor metal inlet is holding you up. You post a program and it's close, however you need to comp your tool. You could go and "fat finger" a tool wear offset value, but then the next job you run might not need it. Will you forget to set it back to zero so that the next part doesn't come out over/under size?

Count on it. The phone will ring....

So, make yourself sit back at the computer and bump your stuff there. Then save it. Then post it again.


This will save you thousands of dollars over your career. Ask me how I know...


25 years at it and I was doing it (in a custom rifle building environment) long before most. Get your head in it and it'll reward beyond your expectations. Just be prepared to work at it. It never comes easy, its the polar opposite of cheap, and it won't happen overnight.

As for your direct question. With You Tube, there is not one single reason to pay money or step foot into a classroom for this stuff. That is no shit and I'll lock horns with anyone till I pass out from arguing. Self Education is the best way to learn and the resources are plentiful and FREE.

Last, buy the absolute largest machine you can afford to put on your floor. You will always wish for more work envelope. That is no joke. Also, do not make the mistake of saying "I'll just get the basic one to get my feet wet." If you are in this trade to make money, then you must have tools to do that. If the machine is $100K and you put 10% down and float it for 5 years, you are looking at $2700/month in a payment. If we figure 20 days a month working, you gotta make just under $140/day with that spindle to make the nut.

If you can't make (at least) 5x that, you should have never bought the thing to start with. What I'm saying is don't plan your exit strategy when your just getting started.

This probably sounds like a load of shit. Take it for what it is. Its what has worked for me for a decade now under my own flag.



Hope this helps.

C.

My shop when I built it in 2011

Chad,

This hands down is the probably the best, most helpful and relevant response to a question that I may have ever gotten, and I don't just mean on the interwebz. Coming from someone whom I respect as one of the best machinists that I am aware of, this means more than I can express. I will absolutely heed your advice and will be looking at online resources to learn more, and your cautions on Posting (if that is the proper useage) has not fallen on deaf ears.

Thank you so much
 
@GasLight

Do you mean a Haas or the chicom bench mill when you say "minimill"? What is the approximate size of parts you want to make? Any previous experience making Gcode? Do you need to make this fit on the 2nd story like the lathe in the other post.

If the Footprint of machine requirements for your space is the Haas, small Sharp VMC's and a lot of other machines have been shoehorned under a 7" garage - have you considered other machines? Be careful if you are considering older HAAS machines as they are no longer supporting the older controls and when a board goes that may mean a control upgrade

Do you have have a total budget and your software picked out yet?


I was talking a Haas Mini-Mill size machine, I have been advised to look at Sharp and Brother as well (robodrill with more $$$). I don't have a shop yet, but I am looking into more of a standard size shop now than the second floor I was asking about previously. This helps with the lathe search as well. That is tremendous advice on the older Haas controls, can you let me know what year, or code that I need to be careful of?

I have not made any Gcode previously, I have taken a beginner's machining class with manual machines, and have owned a lathe and small knee mill in the past.

Thank you
 
@ GasLight Software can make or break, get gooder asap. Not a Haas guy but a lot newer than I would have thought (2000's era IRC). Fadal's when not wore out can be pretty reasonable, a 3016 can be rigged by many and run on singlephase (at a HP loss) in a garage, and parts / tech support is available...

Plan on tooling $$, MariTool makes nice toolholders and cutting tools, some of the stuff out of Shars (shrink fits and Er collet holders ) is surprisingly OK.
 
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Check out Fusion360 by Autodesk for CAM software. It seems to have picked up steam over the last few years and a lot of people are using it, I believe it's a very cheap subscription if you're a student or business that makes under a certain $ amount. This could at least get you started with the understanding of some CAM software without having to pay a significant subscription fee that some others require.

I find Haas controls pretty easy to use, but I started using a Fanuc based machine first and Haas is a derivative of that. Most CAM software packages should have a solid post processor for Haas machines. If they don't, I'd look else where, if you decide on a Haas machine. You probably won't be editing the post too much starting out, but as LRI said, when you start adding things like a 4th axis or other variables, it's nice to do.

I second the idea of getting the biggest machine you can, along with the most spindle HP as well. A lot has changed in the way people program with their CAM, software has gotten a lot smarter allowing us to remove a lot of material in a hurry. If you don't have the spindle speed to remove material fast, you're leaving money on the table. High Speed Machining principals create a lot of g-code. Be sure what ever machine you pick can read it quick enough to not have to slow down to read the code you've created.
 
One thing with software:

You are going to need a reliable pathway to support. MasterCam catches its share of flack from the haters. There are those that love it (I'm in that group) and those that can't stand it. Whatever you prefer is your call, but I can tell you that with MC you get someone who actually picks up the phone, listens, and responds. (quickly)

You pay for that privilege, but sitting around playing solitaire while you wait for a response adds up quick and kills your monthly receivables.

Last, buy as much memory as you can for whatever machine you elect to buy and ensure it has a high speed machining function. As mentioned above, time is money and nothing is more frustrating than watching the minute hand tongue punch your fart hole due to memory issues, buffering, etc...

DNC in 2020 is archaic and belongs to hobby machines in basements and garages. It's not the right tool for a business anymore.
 
Here's a small example of post editing to get the code output your after.


My Kitamura is a 2003 machine. Still nice and tight, but the brain lacks brain cells. There just isn't a whole lot of memory so sub programs become a thing. Dynamic milling toolpaths are code intensive so using a sub is a simple way to deal with the constraint of only having so much memory.

Buffers are the controls ability to look ahead at stuff. Newer machines manage this pretty well with high speed machining options. Older stuff does too and the FANUC 16iM is one of the better ones, but you still run into situations where the machine literally stops because it has to refresh and look ahead again.

G8P1 and G8P0 turn this on/off in the code. With it on the control just runs through code as fast as it can. This is great, but if you start dicking around with macro variables it can bite your ass pretty hard because those often have math functions built into them. If your trigging out a position and the solution populates the system after the control has already read past that point then guess what?

You make scrap...

So, you have to know what you are doing for this to work. Fortunately, I don't use Macros all that often in the Kitty. But I do sub the shit out of stuff and I loath "fat fingering" code into the program at the machine or with the editor. So, I went in and edited my post to initiate a G8 on/off function with a subroutine callup.

1 T1 M06
(MAX - Z.1)
(MIN - Z-.36)
(WALL STOCK +0.0500 | FLOOR STOCK +0.0000)
M01
G00 G17 G90 G54 X-1.89075 Y.09904 S13752 M03
G94
G43 H1 Z.1
G8P1 <buffer look ahead on
M98 P6858
G8P0 <buffer look ahead off
G90 G55 X-1.89075 Y.09904 Z.1
G8P1
M98 P6858
G8P0
M28


absinc$ = sav_absinc
result = nwadrs(strp, main_prg_no$)
main_prg_no$ = main_prg_no$ + sav_progno #Add sub number offset
if sav_progno = main_prg_no$, result = mprint(sprgnerror)
pbld, n$, "G8P1", e$ <where I inserted the on in the post
pbld, n$, "M98", *main_prg_no$, e$
pbld, n$, "G8P0", e$ <where it gets turned back off
prv_feed = c9k #Force feed in sub



Now, like I said, this is a little dicey. In this case it'll work and if I want it turned off, I know where it is and how to turn it off easily. Simply adding a pound sign at the beginning of any entry will cause it to be ignored.


Just a small example of how post processors work and how vital they are to the functionality of the machine.
 
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just an FYI for anyone looking for software.

if you join the EAA (experimental aircraft association) you get access to Solidworks......i think the EAA is $40/ yr.

the Solidworks CAM package, while not my favorite, is actually quite good....especially for $40.
 
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First, everything from Longrifles is on point... great advice! In fact a lot of great advice in this thread.

But allow me to ask a somewhat simple question, which is... if what you want to do is prototyping and designing and learning to machine things... should the OP not consider a manual bridgeport and a decent lathe to get started.

The beauty of CNC equipment is that it lets you make 'many' of something. After you have designed it and gotten your prototype done and refined. Doing that with 'programming' can certainly be one approach. But if the goal is to make the 'thing' not make the code... cutting chips the old fashioned way lets you make your 'thing' way faster than trying to program, redesign, reprogram, etc.

Now I'll be the first to admit... I am not a good programmer. I have sat on the board of a company that did amazing CNC stuff and know how it all works... but I still turn knobs and my concession to modernity is a handful of DRO's on 1950's and '60's machines (and some Navy Surplus WW2 machines.) But I've always been in the 'walk before you can run' category and some of the machines (like the setup at LRI) is not just running, it's sprinting. At the Olympics! Amazing. But do you get there before you know how to use a file? Cut a taper in a Bridgeport? Use a ball-cutter or a taper attachment in a lathe? Before you program a machine to cut metal... doesn't it help to learn 'how' to cut metal?

And going back to my original thought... if you want to make 100 of something, the programming is totally the way to go. Often if you want to make 10 of something... programming is the way to go. But if you are designing, prototyping, modeling.... inventing (or in my case often restoring)... and making '1' of something so you can then improve it and make 1 more of something... don't you want to do it on a manual machine? Where you can just bang it out, test it and then, once it all works, program something in and make it in bulk?

Even the best CNC shops I knew (and I sat on the board of a huge one) had guys with manual machines in the corner making the one-offs and the prototypes. And there was money in that, too! Because someone had to make the first one before the 'big paying' serial production began. That 'one', whether a Robot part or a missile test component... cost a lot!

Anyway, maybe I'm just being a Luddite.

Great thread and thanks, LRI for sage advice!

Sirhr
 
This is my first post here so.

You may try checking with a local trade school.

I teach precision machining at a community college in the St. Louis metro east area and just started to do some gunsmith work as a hobby for myself in my home shop. We offer class in cnc setup and operation as well as Mastercam classes we also offer manual machining classes which is often where I teach. We offer both day and night classes. We run Haas machines in our cnc classes. I have offered to work for others, and so have other instructors, teaching them especially in one man shops,one on one for a price of around $60 per hour plus travel and other expenses if not local to me so far no takers. It would depend on machinist experience but I would suspect between 20-100 hours to teach someone how to setup and run a cnc that doesn't include programming.

Most Haas HFO's have whats known as a application engineer that can help setup and tool one of there machines for a specific product for a fee.
 
just an FYI for anyone looking for software.

if you join the EAA (experimental aircraft association) you get access to Solidworks......i think the EAA is $40/ yr.

the Solidworks CAM package, while not my favorite, is actually quite good....especially for $40.

Is that the full on solidworks or the student version?
 
@sirhrmechanic There's more to CNC than mass production.

If I had to type the code by hand, then yes, CNC is only good for mass production because by the time I type and proof out code for a part, you could probably prototype MANY projects on a manual machine.

Where the magic of CNC in prototyping comes is with the CAM software. Curves, surfaces, chamfers, splines... All open up. It's very similar to 3D printing.

My advice is to play with it. I worked for about 9 months at LRI (I cannot express this intensely enough with text.. An utterly bad story.. not all that glitters is gold, folks.) and I learned more in the first 3 weeks about making my own parts at the following job. Why? I had freedom to play with the software and learn how/why it does what it does. Combined with YouTube and Google I was making molds for composite parts in very little time.

You need to understand work holding, tooling, speeds/feeds, work offsets, tooling offsets, basic G-code (I'd suggest making code by hand before ever touching CAM to understand at least the basics), then get into CAM and figure out part orientation, tool paths, containment, etc... In about that order. I would not get into editing post-processors until you have a very firm understanding of what's going on. I never found it necessary. I watched dixons kitamura take .050" extra deep cuts routinely, among other "ghosts"... Days worth of strife with lots of help from those who knew more. The rifle that I had him build before I ever went to work there was a victim of the .050" extra receiver face cut... Wouldn't fit in any stock/chassis other than the one it was bedded in in his shop (Recoil lug now an extra .050" closer to the action screws).

Anyway, get a bunch of Aluminum or even MDF if you don't mind cleaning shit up before you put coolant back in the machine to practice on. Always run the program in "space" above the part first until you believe in what you're doing. You can break tooling ($$$) at an alarming rate when the computers run the show...
 
I would say you are on the right path. Just don't shoot yourself in the foot. Buy the absolute biggest/best machine you can afford. If you do your part, it will pay for itself in short order. I promise you that.
Amen! I have contemplated a Tormach CNC from time to time but came to my senses and decided that when the time comes and I am bored I'll just spring for a Demo VF-4 or the ilk. I actually cut my teeth on big Okuma's, Enshu's, and Matsura's. A bigger work envelop is NEVER a curse!

Anyway, get a bunch of Aluminum or even MDF if you don't mind cleaning shit up before you put coolant back in the machine to practice on. Always run the program in "space" above the part first until you believe in what you're doing. You can break tooling ($$$) at an alarming rate when the computers run the show..
I always liked the "foam" board for proofing tool paths. Fairly stout and if you screw up and program a 1.00" depth of cut instead of .100" or programmed spindle rotation incorrectly (<cough> been there, done that<cough> ) you don't destroy two weeks worth of wages in carbide inserts in mill (and the tool). I mean we would all catch that while we were single blocking the program on the first go, right? :lol:
 
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I like cad programs.
I ran a very poor program on a stand alone computer due to licensing and security, foreign intrests, contracts.

Self taught, everything on blueprints had to redraw everything myself. No library or canned functions unless I made them.

Generate code transfer to gantry mill and post code, edit g code for feeds hover speeds.

LRI is 100% correct you can not make money like that. This was 1 off's or batch or 3 mostly .gov work.

No production machine shop would touch it.
Edit: And there was the whole security thing.

If your trying to make money pay for good software.
 
First, everything from Longrifles is on point... great advice! In fact a lot of great advice in this thread.

But allow me to ask a somewhat simple question, which is... if what you want to do is prototyping and designing and learning to machine things... should the OP not consider a manual bridgeport and a decent lathe to get started.

My opinion on this question is no, it doesn't offer any advantage. While there is a level of tribal knowledge that goes into cutting materials, the reality is 99% of it is already figured out for you. One just has to know where to look. If you



The beauty of CNC equipment is that it lets you make 'many' of something. After you have designed it and gotten your prototype done and refined. Doing that with 'programming' can certainly be one approach. But if the goal is to make the 'thing' not make the code... cutting chips the old fashioned way lets you make your 'thing' way faster than trying to program, redesign, reprogram, etc.

Now I'll be the first to admit... I am not a good programmer. I have sat on the board of a company that did amazing CNC stuff and know how it all works... but I still turn knobs and my concession to modernity is a handful of DRO's on 1950's and '60's machines (and some Navy Surplus WW2 machines.) But I've always been in the 'walk before you can run' category and some of the machines (like the setup at LRI) is not just running, it's sprinting. At the Olympics! Amazing. But do you get there before you know how to use a file? Cut a taper in a Bridgeport? Use a ball-cutter or a taper attachment in a lathe? Before you program a machine to cut metal... doesn't it help to learn 'how' to cut metal?

And going back to my original thought... if you want to make 100 of something, the programming is totally the way to go. Often if you want to make 10 of something... programming is the way to go. But if you are designing, prototyping, modeling.... inventing (or in my case often restoring)... and making '1' of something so you can then improve it and make 1 more of something... don't you want to do it on a manual machine? Where you can just bang it out, test it and then, once it all works, program something in and make it in bulk?

Even the best CNC shops I knew (and I sat on the board of a huge one) had guys with manual machines in the corner making the one-offs and the prototypes. And there was money in that, too! Because someone had to make the first one before the 'big paying' serial production began. That 'one', whether a Robot part or a missile test component... cost a lot!

Anyway, maybe I'm just being a Luddite.

Great thread and thanks, LRI for sage advice!

Sirhr




Respectfully, I would argue a portion of this.

For a job or production shop to earn a sustainable income, volume becomes a big player in decision making. I spent a number of years in job shops and while the manual side of things carried a "romantic image" of how this stuff gets done, it was rarely profitable. That said the major reason to own a manual machine is for small, 2nd operation type work that is less than practical to devote an automated spindle to. One has to remember that it whittles down to billable hours. A one off part pays X. Devoting 10 hours of programming time, then another half day of workholding and setup burns that wick something fierce. If a guy can chew it out on a knee mill while the big machines are making the onion for the business, then the dollar per hour cost becomes more tolerable.

Indirect labor type jobs in manufacturing play into this heavily.

If I was going into this stuff with a checkbook and an empty room, the first things I would purchase would be a machine, a computer, software, and a tooling package. The freedom that this type of equipment offers far exceeds anything you'll ever do on a knee mill or gap bed lathe. It's just a different set of skill sets that get applied.
 
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@sirhrmechanic There's more to CNC than mass production.

If I had to type the code by hand, then yes, CNC is only good for mass production because by the time I type and proof out code for a part, you could probably prototype MANY projects on a manual machine.

Where the magic of CNC in prototyping comes is with the CAM software. Curves, surfaces, chamfers, splines... All open up. It's very similar to 3D printing.

My advice is to play with it. I worked for about 9 months at LRI (I cannot express this intensely enough with text.. An utterly bad story.. not all that glitters is gold, folks.) and I learned more in the first 3 weeks about making my own parts at the following job. Why? I had freedom to play with the software and learn how/why it does what it does. Combined with YouTube and Google I was making molds for composite parts in very little time.

You need to understand work holding, tooling, speeds/feeds, work offsets, tooling offsets, basic G-code (I'd suggest making code by hand before ever touching CAM to understand at least the basics), then get into CAM and figure out part orientation, tool paths, containment, etc... In about that order. I would not get into editing post-processors until you have a very firm understanding of what's going on. I never found it necessary. I watched dixons kitamura take .050" extra deep cuts routinely, among other "ghosts"... Days worth of strife with lots of help from those who knew more. The rifle that I had him build before I ever went to work there was a victim of the .050" extra receiver face cut... Wouldn't fit in any stock/chassis other than the one it was bedded in in his shop (Recoil lug now an extra .050" closer to the action screws).

Anyway, get a bunch of Aluminum or even MDF if you don't mind cleaning shit up before you put coolant back in the machine to practice on. Always run the program in "space" above the part first until you believe in what you're doing. You can break tooling ($$$) at an alarming rate when the computers run the show...
Very good points that both you and @LongRifles Inc. make. And I understand that some extraordinarily complex 1-off things can be made with 5-axis and even Multus type machines... and these days, it's often the only way to make some of the things that engineers specify.

My experience is typically in restoration or one-of parts that are 'relatively' simple. Not that all are. Splines... Got a fixture for that. Round things... got a rotary table for that. Spheres... got a sphere-cutting attachment for that. And experience using it. But, yes, production can often be rather time-consuming and for the new machinist you make an excellent point that they might as well start with the technologies of the future... not the machining tools of the past.

So very valid points and well-stated arguments!

I will be retired long before I invest in CNC machines for what I do... restoration stuff just does not merit the investment and I'm too old for new tricks. Besides, we have a great nearby job shop that makes my production items....even when they are very small run.

Cheers and great discussion and a great learning thread!

Sirhr
 
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Just an interesting video I shot this morning. Repairing a steering ball for an old car. This tool also lets me cut cups and other spherical shapes.



About 10 mins to set up and set the tool.

cheers. Sirhr

Reminds me of a song:
Flintstones.
Meet the Flintstones.
They're a modern stone age family.

Seriously, those are pretty cool. We had one at Varian 40 years ago.
Worked well.
RonA