One Piece Action, Mount & Ring?

[ARELL]

Hi

I've just been playing around with a few ideas for a custom build. This has had no real thought put in to it so please do not criticise the lack of detail or obvious design flaws!!!

Doe's anybody know if this sort of one piece action/mount/rings has ever been attempted? Clearly the action would have to be designed around a specific scope and custom stock...

 

[ORD]

Re: One Piece Action, Mount & Ring?

I don't know of any custom action manufacturers that offer (or have offered) that kind of 1pc/unitized action. Somebody here (one of the mfgs or smiths particularly) may be able to point to a source. About the most you'll find in terms of "actions PLUS [rail/rings/etc.]" would be the addition of built-in scope bases/rails in various configurations/cants/specs.

Your idea is an interesting one and the pics look very nice, but it has some fundamental drawbacks inasmuch as you: 1) don't have the ability to use different height rings (or base/rail cants) to tailor the rifle to the scope/shooter; 2) don't have the ability to use different ring diameters (1", 30mm, 34mm, 35mm, etc.); 3) you are limited to a set ring spacing which won't work with all scopes; and 4) most basically, you lose basically all of the modularity that make a custom actions appealing to a wide variety of shooters under a wide variety of needs/wants. I guess you could accommodate some of those issues by offering the action in numerous configurations with different ring hts/diameters/spacing, etc., but you still lose modularity as the shooters needs/uses for the rifle change. In short, you aren't going to find much of a market for an expensive custom action (trust me...with the kind of machine work you are talking about...it won't be cheap by any means) that you'll only be able to use a limited number of scopes and other options to equip the action/rifle.

 

[scotharr]

Re: One Piece Action, Mount & Ring?

I think the concept is excellent: eliminate moving pieces. The problem is you will have to make several different heights to accomodate different scopes. But, I'd definitely be interested if I could get the right combo and it did not weigh any more than standard picatinny rail/scope option.

 

[vman]

Re: One Piece Action, Mount & Ring?

Looks pretty sweey to me but as mentioned you would have to deal with the issue of different scopy body diameters and ring heights.

Being a custom action you would also be dealing with different barrel diameters as well so It would make things tricky i guess.

HOWEVER if this was not an issue to the manufacturer and this sort of customised action was available I think its pretty neat.

Curious as to how you would screw a barrel onto that considering the front of the action is not square?

 

[pazzo]

Re: One Piece Action, Mount & Ring?

Yes, ORD is right, but if you have a specific setup (and most of us do) then one shouldn't really need to mess around with different ring heights and base, etc. Just order the one-piece action and go. Seems like a neat idea anyways.

If you want a rifle to mess around with and change parts on then build one specifically for that. Leave this rifle for a one-time build.

 

[FequalsMA]

Re: One Piece Action, Mount & Ring?

Try a V block design instead of the conventional ring mount. This would solve the diifferent scope tube issue. If you prodused a version to accomidate a 1.25' pipe and a 56mm objective most could get away with an ajustable cheek piece. The spacing in between the rings should be opened up just a bit to allow some scope placement mobility. Scopes such as the S&B and Hendsolt have rather large turret housings so you may want to get some dimensions. I think it will also look better with the front square as it needs to be. The recoil lug could be shortend just a bit also. All in all I like the look and strength factor.

 

[atreeman]

Re: One Piece Action, Mount & Ring?

It's a similar concept to the David Lloyd (english rifle maker) rifles which used a massive one piece mount permanently attached to the receiver. These rifles (and some of their problems) are well documented and you should have no problem finding information. David Lloyd worked with the M98 action but I firmly believe that if he was around now he would be building rifles along the lines you have described.
The issue of different scope sizes could be overcome with inserts. The idea has merit but I wonder how cost effective it would be to machine? Sure, it could be done but would the resulting action be unobtanium due to the price?

 

[ARELL]

Re: One Piece Action, Mount & Ring?

That was the concept, I presume if someone was willing to shell out several £k for such a build then it would be seriously well thought out in the first place!!! The idea was to have a standard blank action (internals) & bolt with the ring dimensions/angle changing to suit a specific customers requirement.

I would be interested to know if there were any long rangers who would be prepared to invest in something like this? I know I won't be able to justify £10k on a build any time soon...

 

[Straight Shooter]

Re: One Piece Action, Mount & Ring?

I love the concept. The less moving parts the better.

 

[Massoud]

Re: One Piece Action, Mount & Ring?

Your biggest obstacle is manufacturability. Your design requires a massive amount of material removal, multiple operations from weird angles requiring very precise setup. Some of your features would be impossible to cut without a machine with a lot of axis. Ever see the vid of cnc cutting a motorcycle helmet from a huge billet? That's what you are getting into here.

Then you have to ask if someone would pay 10k dollars just to have integral rings, when BR guns shoot in the .0xx's without them.

Keep thinking and revising though, good job!
Justin

 

[leadbullet]

Re: One Piece Action, Mount & Ring?

this looks great, very nice design but it seems to me to be a solution to nonexistant problem. Then again, if you can make them at a reasonable price, they will sell.