opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

[MAU5BANGER]

Ok, i have an ol stainless synthetic ruger carbine i wanna make.. well "perfect" lol.. Need opinions on aftermarket irons that will work better with the archangel deluxe target stock.. and on a good compact 4x ish max magnification scope.. I would really love the stock but if the aftermarket irons I have in mind won't work with it then it's out and a hogue hard synthetic is in bc irons are a necessity in my book. Anyway, the irons in question are the true shot technology mil sights. They sit a little higher than stock irons and have a longer sight radius so it seems like a good thing even if I don't buy the archangel stock.. get the sights with low pro (standard, not see through) rail and qd mounts and now I'm stuck deciding on a scope.. trying to keep everything fairly lightweight and extremely functional.. a 1-4 scope seems perfect except most quality ones are set up for an ar with a 100yard parallax n ballistic reticle. They're really small n streamline n I really like em though.. I've probably looked at em all at least twice n just can't decide. the mueller speed shot would be perfect if the dot was smaller and parallax was set for 50 yards.. the vx shotgun (or similar line by, say, nikon) seems as close to what I want that I can find. a fixed variable would be fine too but I really like how small the 1-4s are. Low light capable is necessary (good quality glass, not so much an illuminated reticle. It adds weight and costs too much to have the best of both worlds anyway..) also looked at the primary arms compact 4x but it's really too heavy for my needs and the illuminated reticle is really kind of a turn off because of weight and the price-quality ratio..
If your head isn't swimming listening to the options I have planned out already, I'm gonna get an oem 16" sporter barrel to shave off a couple inches and a little weight and to keep the front iron. And 16" is optimum barrel length for a 22 anyway so a little extra velocity would be had.. and before anyone says anything ab it being a mutt of a color combo, I could care less. Function over form always. N I'll probably duracoat and paint it down the road anyway so it really just doesn't matter. N besides, mutts always turn out to be the best anyhow ;p oh and btw, I'm trying to do it all on a budget

so when I say quality I mean cream of the crap.. nothing ncstar etc (not bashing anything, just not willing to risk my money. buy once, cry once, be happy for a lifetime mentality.. to a point.. quality≥price..)
Opinions, advice, any input at all is greatly appreciated.. in other words, somebody help with the madness
P.s. will include a link to the iron sights' manufacturer website pending interest and whether or not that's ac ceptable. This is my first ever post on any forum. Long time lurker of snipers hide, I joined and posted bc the people here are very knowledgeable and polite

 

[RicosRevenge]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

Quick questions...

1. You mentioned function over form. What exactly is this to function as? Small game hunter?
2. Expected accuracy (has to do with barrel/stock/sighting). Do you need minute of squirrel at 25 yards or are you expecting a headshot at 50?
3. Budget? Do you have a total budget or do you have it broken down in stages? Which would you drop first (optics, irons, stock, etc..) in order to stay in budget but still have results that are acceptable?

~ Rico

 

[MAU5BANGER]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

It'd mainly be a plinker to be honest but I'd like it to be as accurate as possible while still being fairly lightweight and just nice to carry.. have a back injury so weight is becoming an issue on my woodswalking.. I figure it should be capable of a headshot on a squirrel at 50 once sighted in with cci.. for plinking I use federal bulk.. I have a cheap scope already n I'm looking to build it in stages. I'd really like the archangel stock but if it won't work with the aftermarket irons I'll go with the hogue.. the only thing that is gonna cost a small fortune is the scopes I've been looking at so it'll be the last thing I buy..

 

[MAU5BANGER]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

I'm set on getting the oem 16" barrel.. everyone gets bull barrels but I think the sporter will suffice just fine. It's already scary accurate in its stock configuration so floating a 16" barrel should be plenty to get it on par with my expectations.. I really don't plan on not building it the way I want, it'll just take a minute to buy everything.. I'd just like a sub $200 scope.. around $150 if possible.. either stock with aftermarket irons will run ab $150.. add the barrel n it's ab $200 total.. then I'm looking at price of optics. That's really where the potential savings are.. (All in all rather pricey for a 22) ..but I see it as a middle of the road type gun n I've always shot that gun growing up n don't mind spending some cash on it since it's my go to..

 

[MAU5BANGER]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

Also the gun is already slightly modded. Vq bolt stop, extractor claw and v-block (in anticipation of a future barrel swap and simply to avoid reliability issues down the road) and a homebrew "trigger job" that's actually quite nice if I can say so without bragging

went from stovepipes every 5-10 to flawless with that extractor and it's smooth n crisp. Kind of a sleeper, but I'm looking to change that \m/ò.ó\m/
So any opinions on the stock with those irons? I suppose that's my main concern at this point.. thanks again for the input and sorry if the topics here are all over the place.. I've been mulling it over for a long time n finally decided to call in the cavalry, so there's a lot floating around in the ol noodle

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

"opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build"


"Ok, i have an ol stainless synthetic ruger carbine i wanna make.. well "perfect" lol"


OK, lemme see if I can help you. You already have an extremely light accurate rifle with an 18" barrel.
You want an Archangel target stock. The Boyd's SS Evolution is much cheaper and almost the same design, you can get it in several colors of laminate, extremely light, etc.
You want a good scope, Leupold Rimfire FX-1 fixed 4x ~$220, Konus rimfire fixed 4x ~ $65. Plenty of fixed 4x scopes out there, but not many compact rimfire(parallax).

The difference in 1.5 inches of barrel will be unnoticable. If your back is in that bad of shape, you need to stay out of the woods. You don't need a new barrel, unless you want to install a can.

I just built a 10/22, first one I have even owned in 10 years. I bought an action, a SS Evolution stock, and an ER Shaw stainless 16.5" threaded bull barrel. I can't believe how light the rig is so far, but it has to be heavier than your bone stock rig.

You aren't likely to get your rig much lighter than it already is now.


If it was me I would buy an Evolution stock and a scope and call it quits. You should be able to see your stock irons over your scope rail, and there is nothing wrong with the Ruger supplied sights. You don't need irons and scope functional at the same time, if your scope is 4x or less and you know how to use one.

 

[RTH1800]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

Are you way overthinking a bang away in the woods light, inexpensive .22?

 

[MAU5BANGER]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

16" barrel would add velocity and shorten it a little making it a little more "pointable" for heavy brush where getting a good shot off counts more than longer range accuracy. The added velocity and slight weight reduction is just a bonus. I like boyd's stocks but I'm not a fan of wood.I just plain like the archangel

n Idk specs offhand but I'd guess the archangel is lighter since it's synthetic.. I've read that the stock irons are hard to use on the archangel bc of the cheek well and the aftermarket irons seem better anyway. And they add a rail for qd mounts in case the scope goes south.. I like the stock irons just fine but those just seem better. And it'd put the scope closer to the barrel for added accuracy in a package that will still let me use irons if necessary. To me, it seems to be perfect for woods bumming. Weight would probably not change much, you're absolutely right ab that. But I don't wanna add a bunch of weight with my upgrades either.. also it would make a package that nobody else has done (to my knowledge) and purely "muh baby" which it is bc it was given to me by my father as a birthday gift for my first "real" rifle.. which is another story altogether.. it just seems to me that it'd be a great little gun that'd be extremely versatile in any situation from bench (not the best for bench shooting by any means) to zombie slaying
I'm going with either of the two stocks I mentioned bc that's my preference. I really like Boyd's but they don't come in synthetic flavor n that's my preference. I like the pistol grip on the archangel so I'm leaning toward that over the Hogue hard synthetic.. and I'll probably just upgrade the stock and irons first, then the barrel and finally the quality optics.. just looking for opinions on whether the aftermarket irons will work with the stock since that's what I want

that's the beauty of 1022. Yours is yours and mine is mine and the differences can be night & day. It's a personal affair that reflects one's identity so to speak. That rifle will be mine til death and I wanna make it mine and not just another pumped out 1022..
And I appreciate your concern ab me bumming around with a bad back but I generally stay within my property line and there's always someone at homebase that's in the know ab where I'm going and what I'm doing. Walkie talkies on standby just in case bc they're very concerned ab my wellbeing as well as I am.. and it's what I love to do. I love my property with its nice secluded pond and beautiful terrain and wildlife. I see hawks, cranes, beavers, geese and all kinds of normal furry stuff on a regular basis. Even seen a black panther, a mountain lion and bear tracks which is rare on sand mountain.. and if doing what I love kills me then so be it bc I died doing what I love and not everyone's eulogy will read that

btw, that pesky beaver that was destroying the pond got a bullet in the eye from ab 40 yards with irons on a marlin model 60. Two shots, sitting with the gun propped on nothing but me. Second shot got him square where it needed to. That's after missing repeatedly with the 1022 (before any modification) so that's another reason to build it up. Can't have it outclassed by an ol model 60 now can we?

 

[MAU5BANGER]

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I would like a can, btw but don't wanna go through the hassle of registration n blah blah blah.. that'll be for the mkIII or sr22 pistol (if they ever get threaded barrels) in the future.. that way bulk ammo will stay subsonic n keep ammo costs cheeeeeap how they should be lol.. maybe I am overthinking everything but I've always shot that gun n had a long time to think ab it. Just wish I could see some results from someone else using aftermarket irons on the archangel. I'd found that stock a couple years ago but was wary bc nobody had one n reviews were virtually nonexistent.. now the monkey's out of the bottle on em n they don't like stock irons from what I've read.. so I suppose I'll have to be the first to experiment with irons on it >.> lol after my paycheck gets steady again anyway. Been off work bc of my back injury.. do you have any pics of your setup?? I've heard good things ab those barrels, it's gotta be a sweet shooter.. did you get an older trigger group made of metal, new oem plastic or something crazy like kidd or vq??

 

[MAU5BANGER]

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Oh, and Idc ab seeing the irons with the scope on it.. I just like to know they're there in case my scope fails. It has see through mounts right now ( the cheap walmart ones that my dad put on it when he bought it) n the scope just sits too high. It's nice being able to switch bw the two but I'd rather have a low mounted scope on qd rings and only use them as a just in case thing.. and as a back to basics thing if I'm just in the mood for irons.. as far as optics go, it's a mess as is.. crappy leapers scope that I bought when I was young n didn't know any better.. it's just sad bc the rifle is pretty nice otherwise.. I think she deserves much better.. and I think I do too lol

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BushBummer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">16" barrel would add velocity and shorten it a little making it a little more "pointable" for heavy brush where getting a good shot off counts more than longer range accuracy. </div></div>

^^^OK you have officially lost me. Good luck with your build.
The sights you are proposing are not any better than the Ruger sights.
The stock you are proposing is no better than laminated wood and will possibly be heavier.
You have a great deal to learn as evidenced by your above statement.
When you ask questions expect people to disagree with your position.
If you are gonnna do things the way you want anyway, then don't ask questions.
You don't need a quick shooting, quick handling 10/22 unless you are hunting cape buffalo with one. Or you plan to shoot a speed match.

Pplease learn to punctuate properly as it makes your posts seem to run on foreverand makes them difficulttoreadandimmpossibletounderstand.

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

1. six position, folding ATI stock http://www.combatstocks.com/ATI_Ruger_10_22_Six_Position_Side_Folding_Collapsible_Stock.cfm

or add one of these http://www.northwestshootersupply.com/leapers1022commandotacticalquadrailsystem.aspx

2. picatinny scope rail (unless using the quad rail)

3. red dot on top (there's not much opens or a red dot couldn't do within 50 yards of cover that a scope would improve upon).

4. flip up AR style sights or these http://www.thecountryshed.com/10_22_sights.htm

5. forward grip

you can get risers that will left up the irons so the red dot is positioned at the top of your front post and will show up nicely in the aperature, or just turn the dot off without having to remove the scope.

6. a nice additon in the future would be a carbon fiber barrel.


light weight, compact, usable.


on a side note +1 with armorpl8chikn, plus shooting beaver is (as far as i know) not exactly legal without permission or pest / predation permit.

16" would not give you velocity.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BushBummer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">16" barrel would add velocity.....The added velocity and slight weight reduction is just a bonus.

for my first "real" rifle..

Walkie talkies on standby just in case bc they're very concerned ab my wellbeing as well as I am.. and it's what I love to do. Even seen a black panther, a mountain lion and bear tracks which is rare on sand mountain.. and if doing what I love kills me then so be it bc I died doing what I love and not everyone's eulogy will read that

btw, that pesky beaver that was destroying the pond got a bullet in the eye from ab 40 yards with irons on a marlin model 60. Two shots, sitting with the gun propped on nothing but me. Second shot got him square where it needed to. That's after missing repeatedly with the 1022 (before any modification) so that's another reason to build it up. Can't have it outclassed by an ol model 60 now can we?</div></div>



i don't know where Sand Mtn is, however i don't want to be anywhere near it....ever....not because of the lions and bears, but for a completely different reason.

 

[tansinator]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

If it is the Sand Mountain in northern Alabama, I get this whole post. Not sure about the black panthers and mountain lions though!

Eddie

 

[MAU5BANGER]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

I thought ab a red dot but my vision is poor.. and usually the dot is ab 4moa which is a little thick for headshotting squirrels at 50.. sure would be fun for a run & gun though.
that stock looks sweet, I'm wary of it being a little loose on shouldering.. little play here, flex there where it swivels.. Idk, just something ab folding stocks doesn't sit well with me from a reliability standpoint - more moving parts to fail. Seems like it's good quality though, I'm sure if there was any play it wouldn't be much at all.. I'm not as much worried ab compactness for transport as I am ab light weight on a sling. Maybe the Hogue would be the way to go over archangel, they're certainly more reputable.. the overmolded ones have flex (so I've read) so that's out. But a hard synthetic would fix that.
And I thought 16" was optimal barrel length for the .22 cartridge..? I've heard that several times from different places.. of course if you got some "hot" loads you'd lose a little where you'd gain it in the 18" carbine barrel but I generally always run federal bulk. But yeah, I've read multiple people saying the bullet slows a bit in anything over 16" it's kind of moot but if that's not the case I'd like to know just to have my facts straight..
N yea, I hear ya ab not wanting to be near sand mtn, but where I go I'm away from all the crazy methers n trashy white trash. It is the same place you're thinking but I live in Ga. Majority of the mtn is in Al. If you wanna know ab it there's a series on intervention called "Meth Mountain" lol but seriously, it isn't all bad.
N I believe you're right ab the beaver killing being illegal.. but "it was coming right for us!!!" Lol and ab the bears n other wild animals, most "experts" will say they're not in the area but seeing is believing baby.. n ima believer lol they said that ab bears but one of the local cops caught one on his cam in the middle of Trenton running right in front of him.. maybe he even hit it with his squad car at low speed? Idk but there's the proof for all the non believers..
http://www.trueshottechnologies.com/RUGER_1022.html
these are the sights I'm talkin ab.. they seem pretty sweet to me except the front post.. might be a little thick compared to stock iron.. and it has a picatinny rail built into it as a one piece deal. Seems sweet for anyone wanting to have their cake n eat it too
Sorry if it seems like I'm shooting everyone's opinions down, I don't mean that to be the case at all.. I've just put a lot of thought n research into it n I'm fairly set on what I want.. that's why I set parameters of my options.. I'm truly grateful for all of your opinions n information (unless you be trollin of course)
It's kinda weird actually posting n not just lurking about, reading everyone else's posts lol

 

[MAU5BANGER]

Re: opinions on a lightweight 1022 brush gun build

N the only thing ab carbon bull barrels is a: price and b: no irons.. so as a rugged, cheap (comparatively) build that'll keep things fairly light weight, and extremely versatile you guys don't think an archangel or Hogue stock and oem 16" sporter barrel (to keep iron, subtract a fraction of weight and make a faster handling gun. Also they're only like $50) and a lightweight fixed power scope would be the way to go?? I'm asking bc everything I've read says 16" is optimum with majority of ammo out there, it'd handle better than an 18" and has irons.. accuracy won't be as good as a bull barrel but I mean it'd still shoot sub moa right? And bulls are all either heavy, expensive, picky ab ammo, and 0% iron sights depending on what you get.. if I did buy a bull I'd want oem just because I know for a fact it'd eat anything I fed it.. that's really important to me too, it has to feed nasty bulk ammo reliably.. so am I just plain wrong or what?? At least tell me you see where I'm goin with this lol