opinons needed on offset sight(s)

[KAIFS]

So, I was going to put another set of https://www.primaryarms.com/diamondhead-usa-d-45-offset-iron-sights (have em on another rifle) on/for my new 3-gun (FN15 Competition, if that makes any difference - so full rail on top), but then it made me think - would there be an advantage (aside from compact 'storage') to just get an offset rail mount and stick a Trijicon RM04-33 Reflex on it? Thinking it would mount just below front tube of my scope (front of scope mount) - should be plenty of eye relief and out of the way for hands/etc...
Thoughts?

Thanks.

 

[hlee]

@TonyTheTiger I'm sure he has some opinions and experience on the issue.

 

[nn8734]

So, I was going to put another set of https://www.primaryarms.com/diamondhead-usa-d-45-offset-iron-sights (have em on another rifle) on/for my new 3-gun (FN15 Competition, if that makes any difference - so full rail on top), but then it made me think - would there be an advantage (aside from compact 'storage') to just get an offset rail mount and stick a Trijicon RM04-33 Reflex on it? Thinking it would mount just below front tube of my scope (front of scope mount) - should be plenty of eye relief and out of the way for hands/etc...
Thoughts?

Thanks.

I run an RMR in a trijicon offset mount on my SR25. Zero it at 36 yards and it’s POA-POI at 300, total vertical dispersion is 8-10”” throughout that distance range. Physical irons aren’t nearly as effective given there’s two of them, making sight alignment marginally more time consuming plus not sure how you would do if you needed them when it’s very low light or dark.

The RMR in the offset mount weighs next to nothing compared to the entire system so you won’t notice any difference vs iron.

I’d highly recommend it or a T1/T2 micro

 

[Glassaholic]

Unless I'm misunderstanding, you don't need an offset rail mount, they make RDS scope mounts that are stand alone and also ones that are incorporated in the rings. Below was my Schmidt Ultra Short with ERA-TAC mount and a Doctor optic offset from the front ring.

 

[strikeeagle1]

^ Just like WJM308 said. I run this HK 5.56 MRA1 with the Aimpoint T-2 on a S&B 3-20 UltraShort with an integrated offset GDI quick disconnect mount.

 

[Downtown]

I tried the scope mount position for a RMR. I was happier with a small offset right off the rail, as it was closer to the bore. Makes a difference to me when I'm turning the gun to an odd angle. This is ideal for really fast near targets in 3-Gun.

 

[ChitownCopper]

That is really high over your bore. 45° mounting option is a lot better.

 

[Glassaholic]

I tried the scope mount position for a RMR. I was happier with a small offset right off the rail, as it was closer to the bore. Makes a difference to me when I'm turning the gun to an odd angle. This is ideal for really fast near targets in 3-Gun.

Fair enough. I do not shoot 3-gun, but curious to know more about how it is faster, seems like transitioning off the view through the scope to slightly offset would be quicker, but would like to know more about how the offset off the rail is better/quicker.

 

[ChitownCopper]

U cant the rifle and maintain a check weld

 

[strikeeagle1]

With an optic you set your desired engagement zero distance, height over bore becomes irrelevant, unless you are engaging inside the distance of your optic zero wherein you need to hold high to some degree, which is true for any sight system. For offset BUIS you could use the KAC microset or Barry Dueck's (3-gun champion) offset set by SureFire as mounted on this Benelli M4 14" entry setup. As ChitownCopper said, rotate the firearm and when set up correctly it is a natural arc of rotation to retain your sight picture.

 

[Downtown]

The near targets are often shot moving with just a quick sight picture on the red dot and the rifle just kind of thrown up at a cant. Rifle has very little recoil to manage. That A-Zone is pretty large up close. So it's usually not the case that you just move your head slightly in a fixed position. After shooting near targets, I usually have time then to settle in to a scoped view. Of course, this could just be the Multi-Gun stages at my club.

 

[Glassaholic]

I'm going to have to try that out, thanks.

 

[KAIFS]

Good stuff guys! Thank you,
I guess I will get the ball rolling on my end.
Had a message stating that RM04-33 is a poor choice in low light with a dot almost invisible...
So, here we go with another question -
Anyone owns RM04 and can speak to performance without a on/off battery option???
Thank you again for the help and info thus far.

 

[Strykervet]

I run an RMR in a trijicon offset mount on my SR25. Zero it at 36 yards and it’s POA-POI at 300, total vertical dispersion is 8-10”” throughout that distance range. Physical irons aren’t nearly as effective given there’s two of them, making sight alignment marginally more time consuming plus not sure how you would do if you needed them when it’s very low light or dark.

The RMR in the offset mount weighs next to nothing compared to the entire system so you won’t notice any difference vs iron.

I’d highly recommend it or a T1/T2 micro

Gotta agree for the most part.

You can also zero it at 100, 200, etc., and mark the sights yourself. Few ways of doing it. Used to do it with A2 drums too. One way is to glue or tape a new, custom scale to it. Another is to mark it with a white marker. Too bad they don't make a drum you can modify.

They're intended for 5.56.

That said, I have the KAC sights on several rifles and then I got a PVS30. It requires either offset sights or moving the front sight in, which I had to do more often than not because getting folks to trade offset for straight ain't so easy.

But for future stuff, after I've exhausted my flip sights, I've decided to go with an offset or scope cap mounted mini red dot. Maybe a Trij. RMR. Or Aimpoint offset, but I think H1 would be just as good as the T1 and cost ~$100 less because you don't really need the NV settings.

In the end, some RMR's on sale, especially the larger MOA models fine for close range, pop up for about the same price as a set of good sights. If you look at some other brands, they can cost even less. Wish I'd been able to get a few over the holidays, Euro had 'em for a few hundred bucks.

 

[nn8734]

Gotta agree for the most part.

You can also zero it at 100, 200, etc., and mark the sights yourself. Few ways of doing it. Used to do it with A2 drums too. One way is to glue or tape a new, custom scale to it. Another is to mark it with a white marker. Too bad they don't make a drum you can modify.

They're intended for 5.56.

That said, I have the KAC sights on several rifles and then I got a PVS30. It requires either offset sights or moving the front sight in, which I had to do more often than not because getting folks to trade offset for straight ain't so easy.

But for future stuff, after I've exhausted my flip sights, I've decided to go with an offset or scope cap mounted mini red dot. Maybe a Trij. RMR. Or Aimpoint offset, but I think H1 would be just as good as the T1 and cost ~$100 less because you don't really need the NV settings.

In the end, some RMR's on sale, especially the larger MOA models fine for close range, pop up for about the same price as a set of good sights. If you look at some other brands, they can cost even less. Wish I'd been able to get a few over the holidays, Euro had 'em for a few hundred bucks.

H1 is GTG, totally forgot about it....will end up with an H1 for my SR, replacing the Trijicon RMR that’s on there now. Between the two (H1 vs RMR), I would go H1. I find it’s faster to acquire the red dot vs the lighter, less distinct RMR dot in low light/darkened settings. Plus battery life is damn near infinite with those things. Weight diff is immaterial.

 

[KAIFS]

well, just ordered https://www.steiner-optics.com/battle-sights/micro-reflex-sight-mrs - snagged a brand new one for $381.74 (all in) after coupons... - will see how it performs on this rig. now off to getting a decent offset rail for it - gotta love this sport - spending never ends... still have to get a decent sling for it - so that will be another 80-100...

thus far:
FN15 Competition (thank God it needs NOTHING as far as trigger/furniture/etc.)

Midwest Industries MI-QD34SMHD-BLK 34mm Heavy Duty Quick Detach Scope Mount

Trijicon AccuPower 1-8x28 Riflescope MIL Segmented-Circle Crosshair w/ Red LED, 34mm Tube, Black, 1900028

Steiner Micro Reflex Sight 8700

it will be a different experience for me with this new gun, kind of got used to running my SIG556 and LOVE side charging handle - so that part will be some practice time retraining myself for charging/malfunctions/etc....

 

[Downtown]

This thread has me wondering, is an arrangement like this common among people who shoot professionally? Really works in a speed game like Multi-Gun, but has it transitioned to the real world?

 

[KAIFS]

This thread has me wondering, is an arrangement like this common among people who shoot professionally? Really works in a speed game like Multi-Gun, but has it transitioned to the real world?

well, a few local SWAT team members were very impressed during my last tactical class/certification when they saw my Burris set up on the SIG... after they tried (scope zerod at 50 and fastfire at 25) my weapon, they were writing down information. while I LOVE my Burris set up (and purchased 4 more sets (first one, however, ran me a grand ) when Natchez was blowing em off for $475ish each)- it is HEAVY, it is 1.5-8 AND FastFire is scope tube mounted vs rail (perhaps an OK for a side charging handle weapon) thus NOT as desirable angle/position for around the corner shooting... Now, I am also training/practicing for a a left hand operation of my weapons (pistol/rifle alike) with use of a non-dominant eye - I mounted, for practice, iron off sets on the left side (because I had no way of mounting my Sig reflex due to a lack of proper off set mount (longer than most as far as number of slots)) - and its usable too. So, I might be actually looking into a second Steiner on the left side if one I just ordered works as well as I hope it does...

 

[KAIFS]

 

[KAIFS]

Not sure how happy I am with this set-up... Trijicon knobs are so big -“window” for a Steiner is quite limited... i guess I will take her our this weekend and see how she performs in real life as far as rapid target acquisition...
I will also try to move offset to the rear of the scope and see if that will be better...

 

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