Well I got the plans for my trainer laid out. Savage MKII, Wallis Forge stock, EGW 20moa base, weaver tactical rings. I have narrowed my scope choice down to 2. Bushnell 10x or a Vortex Crossfire 6-24x50 AO. Is anyone running one of the crossfires on a rimfire? The advertised 75 moa of adjustment and good customer service make it my number one choice for the money. 75 moa and a 20 moa base would get me out exactly how far? I know 200 but that's the furthest I have pushed one. I want to keep my optic selection at a budget due to the fact that I am finishing my 10FP off next month and have to fund a inlet job and DBM setup on that. What's you thoughts and suggestions? Thanks guys.
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optic options for trainer 22LR
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Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
I take that back. The SWFA exclusive is the 1" tube and has 70 MOA of adjustment. What's your thoughts? Seems like a nice option for the money.
I take that back. The SWFA exclusive is the 1" tube and has 70 MOA of adjustment. What's your thoughts? Seems like a nice option for the money.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
Have you looked at the Weaver MIL/MIL scope being offered by Midway this month? $299.99 is hard to beat and it is very bright. I have it on a 504 and am very happy with it. Only thing is that is doesn't come with caps or a sun shade. Midway recommends caps that fit great, shade is another matter. No joy there.
Weaver Tactical Grand Slam Rifle Scope 3-10x 40mm 1/10 Mil Adjustments Mil-Dot Reticle Matte
UPDATE ON SUNSHADE
Nikon RSH-11. Fits perfectly. The one I got was $12 at a show, no idea of what retail is.
Have you looked at the Weaver MIL/MIL scope being offered by Midway this month? $299.99 is hard to beat and it is very bright. I have it on a 504 and am very happy with it. Only thing is that is doesn't come with caps or a sun shade. Midway recommends caps that fit great, shade is another matter. No joy there.
Weaver Tactical Grand Slam Rifle Scope 3-10x 40mm 1/10 Mil Adjustments Mil-Dot Reticle Matte
UPDATE ON SUNSHADE
Nikon RSH-11. Fits perfectly. The one I got was $12 at a show, no idea of what retail is.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
On that Bushnell 10x. Midway carries a MIL/MIL version. The one on Amazon is a little cheaper but is MOA.
On that Bushnell 10x. Midway carries a MIL/MIL version. The one on Amazon is a little cheaper but is MOA.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
the 3200 mil/mil is a midway exclusive. look at the mueller tactical. 30mm tube, mildot, target knobs. $150
is that the $99 vortex? i wish it was a lower power.
the 3200 mil/mil is a midway exclusive. look at the mueller tactical. 30mm tube, mildot, target knobs. $150
is that the $99 vortex? i wish it was a lower power.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
I would try to match the power ranges of your high power rifle. Thats just my thinking. Or maybe just get a fixed power at the highest setting. The Weaver T32 comes to mind for this. It lets you see your shot placement easily at 100 yards and pretty well at 200 as well... Besides that It works fantastic at 50 yards. You can actually place your shot to make Clover leafs!
I would try to match the power ranges of your high power rifle. Thats just my thinking. Or maybe just get a fixed power at the highest setting. The Weaver T32 comes to mind for this. It lets you see your shot placement easily at 100 yards and pretty well at 200 as well... Besides that It works fantastic at 50 yards. You can actually place your shot to make Clover leafs!
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
I looked at the Mueller Tactical Scopes. Whilke I would love to have a 30mm tube, it has the same problem as the Bushnell 3200 from anyone but Midway, it's not MIL/MIL. My regular scopes (Premier and S&B) are both MIL/MIL so I wanted to stick with that for my trainer.
I looked at the Mueller Tactical Scopes. Whilke I would love to have a 30mm tube, it has the same problem as the Bushnell 3200 from anyone but Midway, it's not MIL/MIL. My regular scopes (Premier and S&B) are both MIL/MIL so I wanted to stick with that for my trainer.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
I am picking up a scope soon for a 22lr and although all my long range scopes are mil/mil having the 22 scope be moa/mil isn't a problem. I want the reticle to be mil to practice holds but when dialing it's not that big of a deal as it will be limited range use so there won't eb alot of dialing. Not like I am training to dial on elevation. I would rather take the extra money from upgrading to a mil/mil set up to use for ammo and stick with a cheap moa/mil scope for the 22 trainer.
I am picking up a scope soon for a 22lr and although all my long range scopes are mil/mil having the 22 scope be moa/mil isn't a problem. I want the reticle to be mil to practice holds but when dialing it's not that big of a deal as it will be limited range use so there won't eb alot of dialing. Not like I am training to dial on elevation. I would rather take the extra money from upgrading to a mil/mil set up to use for ammo and stick with a cheap moa/mil scope for the 22 trainer.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
I've been looking for a replacement for my centerpoint for quite sometime. It's a toss up now between the vortex crossfire and the Mueller APT. The rimfire central crowd has alot of good things to say about the Mueller.
I've been looking for a replacement for my centerpoint for quite sometime. It's a toss up now between the vortex crossfire and the Mueller APT. The rimfire central crowd has alot of good things to say about the Mueller.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
I seen midway had a vortex dot has anyone had a look tru or has one I sort of wanted a mildot but want to find out about the vortex target dot I have been told tasco made a older model that is just killer for rimfire 6x24 fine cross hairs and new about 160.00 if you can find one in a shop warehouse or ebay anyone know about the older tascos rimfire would be all I would use one on I have a 6 power doctor on a 22 mag I think Im going to dump it its got some funny thick german cross hairs lets have some rim fire input
I seen midway had a vortex dot has anyone had a look tru or has one I sort of wanted a mildot but want to find out about the vortex target dot I have been told tasco made a older model that is just killer for rimfire 6x24 fine cross hairs and new about 160.00 if you can find one in a shop warehouse or ebay anyone know about the older tascos rimfire would be all I would use one on I have a 6 power doctor on a 22 mag I think Im going to dump it its got some funny thick german cross hairs lets have some rim fire input
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
Rob - I see you point about the mil/moa difference between the reticle and knobs for a 22lr trainer. What about FFP?
My thought is to put reduced size targets at random distances out to 250 or 300 yards. Range them, and engage them. Use the reticle for corrections on missed shots. Seems like FFP is farily important for this to be realistic compared to a 308. Or am I missing something?
My 308 wears a Vortex Razor. I'd like a PST for a 22lr. But it's hard to justify the difference over a Falcon 4-14 with the similar reticle and mil/mil.
Rob - I see you point about the mil/moa difference between the reticle and knobs for a 22lr trainer. What about FFP?
My thought is to put reduced size targets at random distances out to 250 or 300 yards. Range them, and engage them. Use the reticle for corrections on missed shots. Seems like FFP is farily important for this to be realistic compared to a 308. Or am I missing something?
My 308 wears a Vortex Razor. I'd like a PST for a 22lr. But it's hard to justify the difference over a Falcon 4-14 with the similar reticle and mil/mil.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sled</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rob - I see you point about the mil/moa difference between the reticle and knobs for a 22lr trainer. What about FFP?
My thought is to put reduced size targets at random distances out to 250 or 300 yards. Range them, and engage them. Use the reticle for corrections on missed shots. Seems like FFP is farily important for this to be realistic compared to a 308. Or am I missing something?
My 308 wears a Vortex Razor. I'd like a PST for a 22lr. But it's hard to justify the difference over a Falcon 4-14 with the similar reticle and mil/mil. </div></div>
Thats the way I see it too...The main alternative is to go for a fixed power scope and avoid the FFP/SFP issue altogether, but I want mine for shooting rabbits in the evenings , so being able to turning down the magification and have Mildots that are still correct is pretty important.
What is so annoying is that there is no reason not to have a "budget" scope FFP Mil/Mil scope as they are not anymore expensive to produce...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sled</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rob - I see you point about the mil/moa difference between the reticle and knobs for a 22lr trainer. What about FFP?
My thought is to put reduced size targets at random distances out to 250 or 300 yards. Range them, and engage them. Use the reticle for corrections on missed shots. Seems like FFP is farily important for this to be realistic compared to a 308. Or am I missing something?
My 308 wears a Vortex Razor. I'd like a PST for a 22lr. But it's hard to justify the difference over a Falcon 4-14 with the similar reticle and mil/mil. </div></div>
Thats the way I see it too...The main alternative is to go for a fixed power scope and avoid the FFP/SFP issue altogether, but I want mine for shooting rabbits in the evenings , so being able to turning down the magification and have Mildots that are still correct is pretty important.
What is so annoying is that there is no reason not to have a "budget" scope FFP Mil/Mil scope as they are not anymore expensive to produce...
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
I wonder if somebody like Hawke would produce a "Snipers Hide Special" if enough people put a deposit down on it??
The already offer all the right features, just not combined into one scope...
I wonder if somebody like Hawke would produce a "Snipers Hide Special" if enough people put a deposit down on it??
The already offer all the right features, just not combined into one scope...
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
I picked up four Tasco VAR624X42M scopes some years back. They are an A/O 42mm Objective with a 1" tube, covered 1/4MOA target knobs, Mil-Dot reticle, 6-24 magnification range, that focuses down to 15yd and has at least the 75MOA od adjustment you mention. They are on a pair of 22's, an M70 light weight .30-'06 hunter, and my custom Savage .260 Rem F Class rifle. They work. They cost me $79 apiece. For the trainer, the best place to invest the money is the ammo.
Greg
I picked up four Tasco VAR624X42M scopes some years back. They are an A/O 42mm Objective with a 1" tube, covered 1/4MOA target knobs, Mil-Dot reticle, 6-24 magnification range, that focuses down to 15yd and has at least the 75MOA od adjustment you mention. They are on a pair of 22's, an M70 light weight .30-'06 hunter, and my custom Savage .260 Rem F Class rifle. They work. They cost me $79 apiece. For the trainer, the best place to invest the money is the ammo.
Greg
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
Greg,
I would love to buy a scope like that, but only if it was a FFP and preferably Mil/Mil..
I just don't see the point of having a Mil dot reticle on a SFP scope as the benfits are largely wasted...
Greg,
I would love to buy a scope like that, but only if it was a FFP and preferably Mil/Mil..
I just don't see the point of having a Mil dot reticle on a SFP scope as the benfits are largely wasted...
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pete E</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I just don't see the point of having a Mil dot reticle on a SFP scope as the benfits are largely wasted...</div></div>
only if one is using the the mil dots compared to predetermined range cards and math.
with a little work, anything is possible -
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=931437&nt=5&page=5
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1807059
there's a ton more out there, including this little calculator
http://centerpoint.crosman.com/calculator
from a previous thread concerning holdovers and ranging with a sfp (mostly for 200yards or under):
the easiest way i've found to range or use the dots as holdovers is to actually go out and do it in reality.
many of the mid to lower end scopes use several different sized dots, they stick 'em in their reticles and presto - a mildot scope.
many of the mildot info out there is based on 10x power on the optic.
so you know what you have, get a sheet of paper, draw lines across for the average size (usually top of back to bottom of chest) for game in your area, or even the size of targets you are using if your not hunting game.
this is what i use on my .22 mag:
my general ranging / sizes out to 200 yards (more options):
on 10x ranging:
so if a i'm ranging a turkey, using the top of the back to where the legs meet the bottom of the body of the bird being the ares to be bracketed, and it takes the span of three dots to bracket it, i look at my magnification, see that it's on 9x for example, i know it's out 125 yards.
i don't use the dots for holdover, just dial 3.2 on my elevation to match the 40 gr. ammo i'm using for turkey, then think of what color ink to use on my tag.
if you prefer the holdover method, almost the same thing can be done, just zero in @ 25, 50, or where ever (whether you choose to use the center of the cross hair or one of the dots is up to you), then shoot at the different distances you go back, noting what dot you are using for that given distance, and what power your scope is set at.
unless it's a front focal plane optic, the amount of holdover will change when you adjust the magnification. you may actually end up with several options of what dot to use by making the power adjustment, note the different dots at different magnification levels.
mildot holdover chart rem. SS and sk match rifle:
avg. high velocity mildot holdover chart:
using the avg. hv chart, using high velocity ammo, to hit my target at 100 yards with my rifle zeroed at 50, and the optic set on 12x, i have to use a 2 dot holdover. on 10x 1.75 dot holdover, and so on.
this wasn't figured out using a slide rule, protractor, or using standard mathematical equations, but what the results where using actual equipment, and the results are derived from that particular equipment.
by actually going out and doing it takes out the factor of the dots being the correct size and spacing apart from each other, depending on how the manufacturer of the optic sized their dots properly or not.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pete E</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I just don't see the point of having a Mil dot reticle on a SFP scope as the benfits are largely wasted...</div></div>
only if one is using the the mil dots compared to predetermined range cards and math.
with a little work, anything is possible -
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=931437&nt=5&page=5
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1807059
there's a ton more out there, including this little calculator
http://centerpoint.crosman.com/calculator
from a previous thread concerning holdovers and ranging with a sfp (mostly for 200yards or under):
the easiest way i've found to range or use the dots as holdovers is to actually go out and do it in reality.
many of the mid to lower end scopes use several different sized dots, they stick 'em in their reticles and presto - a mildot scope.
many of the mildot info out there is based on 10x power on the optic.
so you know what you have, get a sheet of paper, draw lines across for the average size (usually top of back to bottom of chest) for game in your area, or even the size of targets you are using if your not hunting game.
this is what i use on my .22 mag:
my general ranging / sizes out to 200 yards (more options):
on 10x ranging:
so if a i'm ranging a turkey, using the top of the back to where the legs meet the bottom of the body of the bird being the ares to be bracketed, and it takes the span of three dots to bracket it, i look at my magnification, see that it's on 9x for example, i know it's out 125 yards.
i don't use the dots for holdover, just dial 3.2 on my elevation to match the 40 gr. ammo i'm using for turkey, then think of what color ink to use on my tag.
if you prefer the holdover method, almost the same thing can be done, just zero in @ 25, 50, or where ever (whether you choose to use the center of the cross hair or one of the dots is up to you), then shoot at the different distances you go back, noting what dot you are using for that given distance, and what power your scope is set at.
unless it's a front focal plane optic, the amount of holdover will change when you adjust the magnification. you may actually end up with several options of what dot to use by making the power adjustment, note the different dots at different magnification levels.
mildot holdover chart rem. SS and sk match rifle:
avg. high velocity mildot holdover chart:
using the avg. hv chart, using high velocity ammo, to hit my target at 100 yards with my rifle zeroed at 50, and the optic set on 12x, i have to use a 2 dot holdover. on 10x 1.75 dot holdover, and so on.
this wasn't figured out using a slide rule, protractor, or using standard mathematical equations, but what the results where using actual equipment, and the results are derived from that particular equipment.
by actually going out and doing it takes out the factor of the dots being the correct size and spacing apart from each other, depending on how the manufacturer of the optic sized their dots properly or not.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What is so annoying is that there is no reason not to have a "budget" scope FFP Mil/Mil scope as they are not anymore expensive to produce...</div></div>
The Barska Tactical 4-16 x 50 FFP is about $200 ... well under 1/2 of any other FFP I've been able to locate.
Some say Barska quality isn't any good ... others balk at $200 for a scope for a rimfire (me too there) ... but I'm thinking about it if Santa is very generous at Christmas
As for fixed power ... I was looking very hard at that idea, but to get a large objective and mil dots, fixed power scopes are usually 10x or even higher. I have a hard time lining up on a not-so-distant moving target at 10x. If they had it in 5 or 6x, I'd be inclined to buy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What is so annoying is that there is no reason not to have a "budget" scope FFP Mil/Mil scope as they are not anymore expensive to produce...</div></div>
The Barska Tactical 4-16 x 50 FFP is about $200 ... well under 1/2 of any other FFP I've been able to locate.
Some say Barska quality isn't any good ... others balk at $200 for a scope for a rimfire (me too there) ... but I'm thinking about it if Santa is very generous at Christmas
As for fixed power ... I was looking very hard at that idea, but to get a large objective and mil dots, fixed power scopes are usually 10x or even higher. I have a hard time lining up on a not-so-distant moving target at 10x. If they had it in 5 or 6x, I'd be inclined to buy.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
There are a couple of Super sniper 10x on the sample list right now for $250, if you look around sometimes you can find them for a little cheaper used. They are awesome on a .22 because they have enough internal adjustment to get you pretty far out.
There are a couple of Super sniper 10x on the sample list right now for $250, if you look around sometimes you can find them for a little cheaper used. They are awesome on a .22 because they have enough internal adjustment to get you pretty far out.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
The Bushnell 10X with the mil adjustments is a great scope. It has plenty of adjustment in the 1" tube. I have one on my trainer now and it works great.
The Bushnell 10X with the mil adjustments is a great scope. It has plenty of adjustment in the 1" tube. I have one on my trainer now and it works great.
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pete E</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I just don't see the point of having a Mil dot reticle on a SFP scope as the benfits are largely wasted...</div></div>
only if one is using the the mil dots compared to predetermined range cards and math.
with a little work, anything is possible -
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=931437&nt=5&page=5
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1807059
there's a ton more out there, including this little calculator
http://centerpoint.crosman.com/calculator
from a previous thread concerning holdovers and ranging with a sfp (mostly for 200yards or under):
the easiest way i've found to range or use the dots as holdovers is to actually go out and do it in reality.
many of the mid to lower end scopes use several different sized dots, they stick 'em in their reticles and presto - a mildot scope.
many of the mildot info out there is based on 10x power on the optic.
so you know what you have, get a sheet of paper, draw lines across for the average size (usually top of back to bottom of chest) for game in your area, or even the size of targets you are using if your not hunting game.
this is what i use on my .22 mag:
my general ranging / sizes out to 200 yards (more options):
on 10x ranging:
so if a i'm ranging a turkey, using the top of the back to where the legs meet the bottom of the body of the bird being the ares to be bracketed, and it takes the span of three dots to bracket it, i look at my magnification, see that it's on 9x for example, i know it's out 125 yards.
i don't use the dots for holdover, just dial 3.2 on my elevation to match the 40 gr. ammo i'm using for turkey, then think of what color ink to use on my tag.
if you prefer the holdover method, almost the same thing can be done, just zero in @ 25, 50, or where ever (whether you choose to use the center of the cross hair or one of the dots is up to you), then shoot at the different distances you go back, noting what dot you are using for that given distance, and what power your scope is set at.
unless it's a front focal plane optic, the amount of holdover will change when you adjust the magnification. you may actually end up with several options of what dot to use by making the power adjustment, note the different dots at different magnification levels.
mildot holdover chart rem. SS and sk match rifle:
avg. high velocity mildot holdover chart:
using the avg. hv chart, using high velocity ammo, to hit my target at 100 yards with my rifle zeroed at 50, and the optic set on 12x, i have to use a 2 dot holdover. on 10x 1.75 dot holdover, and so on.
this wasn't figured out using a slide rule, protractor, or using standard mathematical equations, but what the results where using actual equipment, and the results are derived from that particular equipment.
by actually going out and doing it takes out the factor of the dots being the correct size and spacing apart from each other, depending on how the manufacturer of the optic sized their dots properly or not.
</div></div>
TP,
Never said it can't be done, but FFP is so much simpler...
I want to go out an shoot rabbits so i don't have time to always change magnification or even dial turrets...Hold over (and under) will Mil dots works a treat, is simple and is fast..
But i take my hat off to you if you can do all that in the field and get a killing shot off...
Regards,
Pete
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pete E</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I just don't see the point of having a Mil dot reticle on a SFP scope as the benfits are largely wasted...</div></div>
only if one is using the the mil dots compared to predetermined range cards and math.
with a little work, anything is possible -
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=931437&nt=5&page=5
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1807059
there's a ton more out there, including this little calculator
http://centerpoint.crosman.com/calculator
from a previous thread concerning holdovers and ranging with a sfp (mostly for 200yards or under):
the easiest way i've found to range or use the dots as holdovers is to actually go out and do it in reality.
many of the mid to lower end scopes use several different sized dots, they stick 'em in their reticles and presto - a mildot scope.
many of the mildot info out there is based on 10x power on the optic.
so you know what you have, get a sheet of paper, draw lines across for the average size (usually top of back to bottom of chest) for game in your area, or even the size of targets you are using if your not hunting game.
this is what i use on my .22 mag:
my general ranging / sizes out to 200 yards (more options):
on 10x ranging:
so if a i'm ranging a turkey, using the top of the back to where the legs meet the bottom of the body of the bird being the ares to be bracketed, and it takes the span of three dots to bracket it, i look at my magnification, see that it's on 9x for example, i know it's out 125 yards.
i don't use the dots for holdover, just dial 3.2 on my elevation to match the 40 gr. ammo i'm using for turkey, then think of what color ink to use on my tag.
if you prefer the holdover method, almost the same thing can be done, just zero in @ 25, 50, or where ever (whether you choose to use the center of the cross hair or one of the dots is up to you), then shoot at the different distances you go back, noting what dot you are using for that given distance, and what power your scope is set at.
unless it's a front focal plane optic, the amount of holdover will change when you adjust the magnification. you may actually end up with several options of what dot to use by making the power adjustment, note the different dots at different magnification levels.
mildot holdover chart rem. SS and sk match rifle:
avg. high velocity mildot holdover chart:
using the avg. hv chart, using high velocity ammo, to hit my target at 100 yards with my rifle zeroed at 50, and the optic set on 12x, i have to use a 2 dot holdover. on 10x 1.75 dot holdover, and so on.
this wasn't figured out using a slide rule, protractor, or using standard mathematical equations, but what the results where using actual equipment, and the results are derived from that particular equipment.
by actually going out and doing it takes out the factor of the dots being the correct size and spacing apart from each other, depending on how the manufacturer of the optic sized their dots properly or not.
</div></div>
TP,
Never said it can't be done, but FFP is so much simpler...
I want to go out an shoot rabbits so i don't have time to always change magnification or even dial turrets...Hold over (and under) will Mil dots works a treat, is simple and is fast..
But i take my hat off to you if you can do all that in the field and get a killing shot off...
Regards,
Pete
Re: optic options for trainer 22LR
Well your dream scope doesn't exist yet, but markets follow demands, and the Mil/Mil part is just a matter of control markings.
Meanwhile an FFP reticle could be neat, but I don't know what it does to the economics of inexpensive optics. As a tradeoff, the scope I mention ranges at 10X, but also magnifies to 24X. I wonder; would simply ranging at 20X and doing a math conversion be an improvement?
Greg
Well your dream scope doesn't exist yet, but markets follow demands, and the Mil/Mil part is just a matter of control markings.
Meanwhile an FFP reticle could be neat, but I don't know what it does to the economics of inexpensive optics. As a tradeoff, the scope I mention ranges at 10X, but also magnifies to 24X. I wonder; would simply ranging at 20X and doing a math conversion be an improvement?
Greg
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