8 to 10 weeks just to get an 80% jig produced and then shipping time on top of that IF they finish when they say they will. Are these people worth the wait?
Pacific Tool and Guage
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Gunsmithing - Pacific Tool & Gauge SUCKS!!!
Really ? I've been dealing with them for many years and yet to have a bad one. Direct drop in fit for McMillan and Manners. Never had an issue in the 35-40 or so that I've fitted. They even come with 2 mag latches to accommodate different heights to compensate for stock variations. Out of...
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Lol, use the search function and get back to this thread in a few hours
Yes I did but old threads are not an assessment of current conditions. Quality changes over time in many places so I am looking for current feedback. I do appreciate your answering my question though.
Lol here’s some current feedback for you…Stiller has been waiting almost two fucking years for PT&G to provide bolts for their mk13 actions. One problem after another with those things. Nothings changed. Search function answers all your questions about PT&G
Dale Trout fucked this relationship up. Stiller is now on its 3rd owner. Blame Stiller on that one. But I still would not buy anything from them.
They are not worth the wait. I don’t know why anyone still gives them business
You didn’t ACTUALLY order something from them, did you ?
edit; I see you cancelled your order, smart move. Make sure you don’t get dinged on a “restocking fee” and that you receive any/all credit due. They’re notorious for that.
I've received two reamers from JGS. One they had in stock and I chambered a barrel immediately, and one they said would take 3 months. I got that second reamer 2 days short of 3 months. They are straight up, no surprises. Jasmine was cordial and knew her stuff.
Hmm so "restocking fees" is a profit vehicle? I will note that and look to see what they do. And yes, I did order from them
Why would anyone order anything from ptg if they know about them? There's at least 2 other options for anything ptg has, so why would you choose to roll the dice with them if you are aware of what they've become? When I ordered from them a few years ago I guess, I wasn't yet aware of what they'd become, if I was, I wouldn't have done it.
So I finally get my cancellation done this morning. Not a word about how can we salvage this or make you reconsider. They did point out that according to the "contract" I signed when placing the order I agreed to the 15%. I mentioned in my reply to them that this 15% vehicle for making profit with no goods produced had been mentioned on the Hide and that I would be sure to post my rather unsatisfactory results here too.
The whole tenor of their reply tells me they get a lot of this and don't care. Stay away indeed.
The whole tenor of their reply tells me they get a lot of this and don't care. Stay away indeed.
I don't think they can charge you a restocking for an order that is canceled. Restocking fees are for orders that are returned. I.E. They shipped and you received in a designated time period. Check state laws where you are both located and ask your CC.
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Daggum bro. Good catch!I don't think they can charge you a restocking for an order that is canceled. Restocking fees are for orders that are returned. I.E. They shipped and you received in a designated time period. Check state laws where you are both located and ask your CC.
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It was not worth arguing over this so I let them have it. You live and learn who to deal with and sometimes it costs you a little to do so. I did promise them if they did it though that I would spend a little time telling people about them as a number of you have told me about them.I don't think they can charge you a restocking for an order that is canceled. Restocking fees are for orders that are returned. I.E. They shipped and you received in a designated time period. Check state laws where you are both located and ask your CC.
Illegal Restocking Fees
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I got a reply from PTG today and it reads
"yes, we often get slammed online for doing exactly what our terms and conditions say we are going to do. It's okay. We can't stop your reviews, Perhaps instead of online reviews, reading the terms and conditions of the contract would have been more beneficial in this situation. "
I was going to reply and point out that good companies don't have this type of problem to deal with because they take care of QA and timely deliveries when humanly possible and don't have an earned bad track record. They clearly know what they are so rather then reply to deaf ears I will reply here.
That reply would have doubled my resolve to get my money back. Something tells me a consumer protection lawyer might interested in this as a class action suit. There would seem to be lots of people who have been charged 15 percent for absolutely nothing. No items shipped, sometimes the items aren't even made and they charge their restocking fee on canceled back orders Most credit card companies stipulate that places aren't supposed to charge you until your items have shipped.
i've ordered stuff from PTG: receiver lapping tools, headspace guages. sometimes it's in stock, sometimes not. sometimes it takes a while, but they've always delivered. eventually. My 6ARC headspace gauges took 5 months, but then again, no other sources. just got to "let it ride".
There should probably be a be a fuck PTG sticky in every forum.
By all means go order from them. I am sure they have changed their ways.
There is an old saying. The best indicator of future performance, is past performance.
Stiller is a shit company, its not 2008 anymore.
The only company that makes a bolt stop the fails more than curtis.....is Stiller.
Stiller is now owned and is a subsidiary of Kaspar which has been around since late 1800’s. They are a family owned company out of Shiner TX and have a good reputation so my bet is they will get Stiller turned around. Stiller was a mess no doubt but now it’s 2023 and hopefully new and better future.
Stiller hasn't put out a new product in like 10 years. They are obsolete. Only reason people still buy their shit is building mk13 clones.
Manson or JGS will do headspace gauges, not sure about receiver lapping tools but worth a call anyways.
Lots of ELR rifles built on Stillers. As mentioned they were recently acquired by KASPAR Companies/ Kaspar Outdoors which will hopefully bring new life.
If I was building an ELR gun, they would be the last company too look at. You Have BAT, Pierce or even Cadex who makes a very nice action.
Stiller is is budget action which considering how much you spend building out a rig and support gear, saving a few hundred dollars is penny wise and pound foolish.
Its about as dumb as ordering something from PT&G.
Stiller is is budget action which considering how much you spend building out a rig and support gear, saving a few hundred dollars is penny wise and pound foolish.
Its about as dumb as ordering something from PT&G.
I've never handled a Stiller but Bat is nice for sure and the Cadex is decent. I agree when a guy is spending the money the couple extra bucks for a nicer action is piss in the pot at the end of it. That doesn't change that about 20% of the actions at Ko2M are stillers.
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And this attitude right here ^^ is why I'd never do business with them.
Save yourself some heartburn. Just cancel the order now, eat your 15% and move on. Maybe someone should create a “me to” bumper sticker for any of the bros who are brave enough to publicly admit to the ass raping they received from PTG.
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