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Pic Request: 20” A2 FSB with medium optic

PBWalsh

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Hi,

Does anyone have a 20” A2 FSB build with a medium power optic (2-10, 3-9, etc.) That could post a side profile of the rifle and a “through the scope” picture at low power.

Toying around the idea of a 20” A2 with a 2.5-10 NXS in a 1.5” mount.

Also, any suggestions for an accurate barrel that IS NOT a truck axle would be appreciated. Most 20” barrels I find are either “SPR” type contour (WOA, Craddock, etc.) or doesn’t have a high reputation for precision (FN, BCM). My former WOA barrel was wonderful, but a bit heavier than I’d like from what I’m wanting to use it for.
 
What an intriguing post. I am not sure where to start, but I like what you are trying to do.

First, I am a barrel and scope nerd. Strike that. A barrel nerd and a scope snob. :cool: First point of order: do not worry about the FSB. Once you get aiming beyond 80 yards, it will all but disappear. It is not going to get in your way. If you think it will, then get a rifle without the front sight post. You are not going to use it much anyway if you get a LPVO type scope at 2.5-10x, let's say.

Next, the rifle begins with the barrel. If you are looking for 20", you are looking for a relatively accurate barrel, so yes, the chrome lined barrels are probably out. I would not discount them totally, but you are going to want -- from what I see you write -- a match barrel, so not military grade chrome lined. From there, I would say you do not need to spend a fortune. On the best of days, you will be hitting 1/2 to 3/4 MOA, and most will claim 1/2, but are usually hitting 3/4 to 1-1/4 MOA. The question is not which is the best barrel, but in today's supply chain, who has a barrel available for you in match grade, or if you want one made, how long will you wait and what priority will you get. You might. I would put Criterion, Lilja, and Douglas blanks to the front of the list. You can pay more for Bartlein or Kreiger, but probably will not see the difference in a 20" 5.56 gas gun. And, you can also look at 18" barrels, which might be more available. That is up to you.

Keep in mind some of the names you mentioned are not barrel makers, but barrel spinners, or barrel smiths. Craddock uses Bartlein or Criterion barrels, for example. Both are imporant, and there are a handful of really good barrel smiths, but they are also very backed-up with custom work, and I do not think you need custom work. If you think you do, then go for it. It is your money, and White Oak or Craddock or Compass Lake will custom-make whatever barrel you want, but they might deliver in May.

Then, build your rifle around the barrel. A solid receiver set, a BCG that will not fail and a good trigger. If you are going for FSB, I would still favor the military look and function of forged.

For scopes, we usually look at 1.5" as the minimum height for a 56mm 0MOA rail and mount cant, so you can go lower, for sure with a 44mm objective lens, but the front sight base will cause you to want to higher. "cowitness" is in the 1.4" to 1.5" range, and what I prefer with a front sight base is 1/3 lower co-witness actually puts you a little higher at 1.6" to 1.7"

Now for the scope. I think you picked a solid starting place with an NXS, and 2.5-10x is a good magnification for the range you will be shooting. I am not even going to confuse you with other options. That is a good one.

Hope you enjoy the endevor.
 
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Yeah there are not really many more options for the optic in the same weight range. If only they would make it in FFP. Yes the SWFA 3-9 would be a contender but the NXS is more feature rich minus the front focal plane. There is simply not another optic that can currently compete with the NXS at the 18-22oz mark. Already have a Geissele 1.54” 20MOA mount as well.

The Criterion Core 20” barrel seems to be a good balance of what I’d be looking for at 32oz. Not a pencil, not an axle, something in between.

However, unfortunately (or fortunately), a class I took over the weekend made me realize how capable my 12.5” Triarc barrel is to gets hits out to 553 yards once you have good DOPE. After witnessing that, its quite difficult to justify a 20” replacement upper, especially considering I have the rare opportunity to shoot past 100 yards every blue moon. A 12.5 makes a ton of sense. Maybe I’ll go 16” 5.56, maybe I’ll go full on 6ARC or step up to a 6.5CM large gasser, I don’t know. What I do know is that a short barreled gas gun is a versatile, capable tool. Maybe I’ve watched too much Black Hawk Down and feel the lust for a 20” AR with an A2 FSB.
 
@longshot2000

Yeah there are not really many more options for the optic in the same weight range. If only they would make it in FFP. Yes the SWFA 3-9 would be a contender but the NXS is more feature rich minus the front focal plane. There is simply not another optic that can currently compete with the NXS at the 18-22oz mark. Already have a Geissele 1.54” 20MOA mount as well.

The Criterion Core 20” barrel seems to be a good balance of what I’d be looking for at 32oz. Not a pencil, not an axle, something in between.

However, unfortunately (or fortunately), a class I took over the weekend made me realize how capable my 12.5” Triarc barrel is to gets hits out to 553 yards once you have good DOPE. After witnessing that, its quite difficult to justify a 20” replacement upper, especially considering I have the rare opportunity to shoot past 100 yards every blue moon. A 12.5 makes a ton of sense. Maybe I’ll go 16” 5.56, maybe I’ll go full on 6ARC or step up to a 6.5CM large gasser, I don’t know. What I do know is that a short barreled gas gun is a versatile, capable tool. Maybe I’ve watched too much Black Hawk Down and feel the lust for a 20” AR with an A2 FSB.
Yes a 12.5" will make "hits" out at 500yds. However if you want effective terminal ballistics at 500yds that 20" is where it's at.

If you are running a scope there is no need for a FSB, just use a set of buis. It's not like you can co-witness irons through a scope.
 
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The SAM-R is what you’re looking for, I think. The rifle in the photo is not mine.
 

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Yes a 12.5" will make "hits" out at 500yds. However if you want effective terminal ballistics at 500yds that 20" is where it's at.

If you are running a scope there is no need for a FSB, just use a set of buis. It's not like you can co-witness irons through a scope.
I know, just a whore for the look. Watched Black Hawk Down a few too many times.

Yeah my 77SMK is running at 2445 FPS. Pretty low. Need to compare it to some hard data for 16 and 20 in barrels. Thinking it’d be 26/2650-27/2750 respectably.

@Desert_Racer Yep, thats what I’m looking for, off to look up some SAM-R pics.
 
Hi,

Does anyone have a 20” A2 FSB build with a medium power optic (2-10, 3-9, etc.) That could post a side profile of the rifle and a “through the scope” picture at low power.

Toying around the idea of a 20” A2 with a 2.5-10 NXS in a 1.5” mount.

Also, any suggestions for an accurate barrel that IS NOT a truck axle would be appreciated. Most 20” barrels I find are either “SPR” type contour (WOA, Craddock, etc.) or doesn’t have a high reputation for precision (FN, BCM). My former WOA barrel was wonderful, but a bit heavier than I’d like from what I’m wanting to use it for.
A2 or a4? Are you looking to mount an optic on of a carry handl?
 
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That's actually my site, thanks for reading :)

Here's a relevant photo from that article that I think redx was referring to.

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It's BCM 20" Govt with DD Omega 12 rail. Pretty standard stuff. Optic is a Gen I Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x32. I only ran this for a short time before moving the optic to a 16" Recce rifle format and replaced the 2.5-10 with a 3.5x ACOG. I don't have any "through the scope" photos to show for it, though. I would say that the FSB is visible only as a blur, much like it is with an LPVO.

Speaking of, here's the same rifle with an old TR24 1-4x24 on it.

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