Portland Crisis: With 120 Vacancies, Only 3 Out Of 60 Applicants Pass Police Background Check

[Threadcutter308]

Now here's a shocker;

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/04/portland-crisis-with-120-vacancies-only-3-out-of-60-applicants-pass-police-background-check/

If someone were to start today, cleaning up this mess would take at least a decade. Seattle isn't all that far behind. I never go in to town anymore. Having been born and raised here (suburbs, never got to vote for City of Seattle politicians), it's painful to watch. Conversely, I have no sympathy for anyone inside of city limits that have, or will be harmed by this crap. They voted (and continue to vote) for it. Live with it, or change your voting habits. Simple.

 

[shootist2004]

so all they need is 2400 applicants.......................

 

[Threadcutter308]

so all they need is 2400 applicants.......................

And, of course, they will all be "creme de la creme".....

 

[Kir]

Due to restrictive gun laws in Oregon, young kids cannot grow up to be straight shooting cops...oh wait, most cops can't shoot straight when they are out on patrol anyways. If more states pass strict gun laws, then if the U.S. gets into yet another shooting war, the young soldiers will be unable to hit anything due to lack of practice as they didn't play cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians when they were young. They could not be taken out by their dads to learn about shooting either. Sad situation. Would be interesting to know how many rounds it takes to kill one's enemy on average for an army. Yeah, I know snipers can do it with one shot...

 

[ArmyJerry]

hmmmm I am getting ready to retire

 

[Loonhunter]

hmmmm I am getting ready to retire

Don’t forget about Cuba....

 

[ArmyJerry]

cops get like 2 months vacation dont they

how much do they get paid?'

 

[Loonhunter]

cops get like 2 months vacation dont they

how much do they get paid?'

There’s a psych eval so....well,
Just don’t get your hopes up.

 

[PewPewKC]

There’s a psych eval so....well,
Just don’t get your hopes up.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I can pretend to be a dumbshit asshole with the best of the blue.

There’s a psych eval so....well,
Just don’t get your hopes up.

 

[Loonhunter]

I can pretend to be a dumbshit asshole with the best of the blue.

No. That’s the interview.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Interview location

No. That’s the interview.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I can pretend to be a dumbshit asshole with the best of the blue.

You should try running for Sheriff somewhere, then get one of your friends to run for judge.

 

[Loonhunter]

Interview location

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Dunkin’ Donuts sucks.
You really better brush up on this stuff.
Krispy Kreme is da bomb!

 

[ArmyJerry]

so much potential with this topic

 

[deersniper]

Krispy Kreme has sucked for like 10 years since they got a new ceo and fubared everything

 

[cornhusker86]

You guys need to get with the times;

 

[ArmyJerry]

it always sucked,,,,, Shipleys donuts with Dunkin coffee is the best combo...

 

[Loonhunter]

Krispy Kreme has sucked for like 10 years since they got a new ceo and fubared everything

Well dang. That’s about how long I’ve been out. Sorry to hear it.

 

[deersniper]

it always sucked,,,,, Shipleys donuts with Dunkin coffee is the best combo...

No they were the best when they first landed on the scene. Making fresh delicious donuts and handing out free hot ones at the KK stores.

Then they were real popular. Over expanded. Lost money. Got new idiot ceo the fubared everything. Now they taste bad and the ones you see in non KK locations are stale AF.

711 has the best donuts currently

 

[Redmanss]

so all they need is 2400 applicants.......................

Well, of the three, one went to another agency leaving only two new hires, so they need 3600 applicants.

I thought Portland didn't need police, they have "COEXIST" stickers and shit instead...

 

[Kir]

KK is like pouring a bag of sugar down your throat...no real taste. THe fact that they gave away hot donuts was because they couldn't sell them. They were a real big bust in Reno! Personally I prefer Dunkin blueberry donut holes with a hot cup of vanilla latte'...Only once a month though, that's what makes it special!

 

[footsteps]

it's a liberal utopia, no crime they don't need the The Police.

 

[hermosabeach]

It's like that all over the West

https://post.ca.gov/law-enforcement-jobs

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...s-for-School-Resource-Officers-396875401.html

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...-Keep-Up-With-1500-Daily-Calls-474350503.html
https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/03...00-officers-by-2016-according-to-projections/

make $100K with a high school diploma
http://www.sjpd.org/joinsjpdblue/
After almost 14 years with the department, Thursday was Pace's last
day as a San Jose cop. She's trading in her sergeant's badge to become
a patrol officer in Hillsboro, Ore. Pace is one of 79 officers who
have resigned from the San Jose Police Department since 2011,
including 30 this year.

San Jose police Chief Chris Moore said for the first time in the
department's history more police officers are resigning -- primarily
for jobs with other departments -- than are retiring. Twenty-one
officers have retired this year.

Moore and union officials say the reason is twofold. After pension
reform and pay cuts, officers can make more money and better benefits
elsewhere, even at smaller departments. Others, including veteran
officers, are leaving because they say the once-proud force is
dispirited, overworked and rife with morale problems. They don't see
the same opportunities and proactive policing they once did.

"It's absolutely the hardest decision I've ever made," said Pace,
saying she weighed what is best for her family, including wife Beach
Pace, former executive director of City Year, and their two young
children. "I've never loved an agency, a city

as much as I love this place. I love San Jose. My heart and soul is
here, absolutely. It just pains me to leave."

As a result of the exodus, Police Department staffing is substantially
lower than what's authorized. There are 1,055 sworn officers instead
of 1,109. For the patrol division, the problem is even greater. It is
authorized for 548 officers but only has 492 on the rolls, and 32 of
the officers are not available for duty due to various reasons. In
2008, the patrol division boasted nearly 600 officers. The fear among
officers is the number will continue to drop and put a greater strain
on their safety and ability to answer calls for service

 

[candyx]

They showed on the news how the radicals control the streets and law enforcement is not allowed to intervene. Multiple tall buildings along all the streets, give me a dozen snipers on the roof tops and those cities could be restored. I would gamble to say after the second day of these radicals being dropped in silence out of the blue they would flee the streets . Send out the DPW backhoe and dump truck to clean up the streets and dump the refuse in the local landfill.

 

[ArmyJerry]

meh,,, i think we could get by with half the cops we have today.

 

[candyx]

I wouldn't mind being deputize become a Regulator . Law is easy with a sidearm and rifle, all you have to determine if the dude is an asshole or not.

 

[schmi015]

Well, of the three, one went to another agency leaving only two new hires, so they need 3600 applicants.

I thought Portland didn't need police, they have "COEXIST" stickers and shit instead...

PDX needs police, but they're going the way of Seattle /San Francisco cause the city council is extremely liberal and fubar'ing everything. Pay there is pretty good but not worth the hassle. You'll be hung out to dry for a legit shoot.

 

[ArmyJerry]

then stop fucking shooting people,,,, legit shoot,,, think about that for a fucking minute there you fucking psycho,,, this is why you cant find people to do that job,, its assholes like you.

 

[Bender]

AJ for Sheriff.

Bender for Captain.

Time to start locking up some feds.....

 

[schmi015]

then stop fucking shooting people,,,, legit shoot,,, think about that for a fucking minute there you fucking psycho,,, this is why you cant find people to do that job,, its assholes like you.

Sorry Jerry you can go fuck yourself on this one. I have family that works for the Bureau there and know the politics. One example with a Legal use of force was a guy started shooting other people in front of officers and then the officers shot him and there were still protests.

So please AJ go fuck off.

 

[ArmyJerry]

you have an infatuation with legit shoots, pretty fucking psycho fetish..... dont give a shit if it was a FBI guy or a local that shot the guy he should not have been shot. You casually discuss citizens getting shot dead as if its a sport, that is why nobody wants to be a goddam cop. You fail to see the issue.

 

[schmi015]

Sorry I'm a statisticss guy. http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/AMACHART.pdf This infatuation with Lavoy and the conspiracies that he was shot by mercenaries is why that other thread got canned. Its not a sport but like certain actions in life, it will make your life longer or shorter based on choices. You should check your blood sugar, you're kinda cranky.

 

[Loonhunter]

I wouldn't mind being deputize become a Regulator . Law is easy with a sidearm and rifle, all you have to determine if the dude is an asshole or not.

Yep. That’s in one of the amendments on the back

 

[ArmyJerry]

I seen that story, kind of crazy,,, has nothing to do with what I am saying,,, the dude should not have been shot, it was an ambush and a set up... I am not even sure I agree or disagree with what the fuck he was doing but I do know he should not have been shot. the government murdered that guy, happening way too often, or at least we are seeing it happen now where we didn't in the past. People dont want to be part of it on either side... this is the issue, if you dont have support of the population, it wont matter how many MRAPS you have or how many MP5s and no knock warrants you get using illegal means. It just wont matter, the law will lose, you lost your traditional support in this country, I dont know if it can ever be recovered, but I can tell you when you have cops shooting citizens in their own houses and walking away free you will not turn that corner... you are still losing.....your typical white working guy now views the police the same way a black guy from the ghetto did 20 tears ago,,,, you have very little support,,,, when cops are shot dead, the civilians dont really give a shit now,,,, that is a dangerous sign,,,, when teh law is lawless you have no law.

My point i that when a "good shoot" gets people like you excited it turns away thousands of citizens. Its a constant long term insurgency war and your side is still digging their own hole... just stop

This is actually friendly advice, take it or leave it.

Sorry I'm a statisticss guy. http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/AMACHART.pdf This infatuation with Lavoy and the conspiracies that he was shot by mercenaries is why that other thread got canned. Its not a sport but like certain actions in life, it will make your life longer or shorter based on choices. You should check your blood sugar, you're kinda cranky.

 

[Loonhunter]

I’ll sit this one out
for now...

 

[schmi015]

I'm not excited about it but I'm tired of hearing about it. Lavoy was shot by two OSP troopers who were honest in their testimony. The FBI agents were not. The Sheriff conducting the investigation was like hey where the fuck did these extra bullets holes in the roof come from? As far as I'm concerned the Bundy's are just as culpable in his death as law enforcement. Remember it only took one man to start WW1: Gavrila Principe. All the talk of lets get on with it and build the gallows and buy more ammo from you is pretty much what you're accusing me of, maybe we both chill out. I'm washing my hands of this thread.

 

[ArmyJerry]

guy, you should buy more ammo, and if you are in Cali buy more magazines,,, just dont relish killing anyone,,, even if we end up hanging coup attempters it needs to be done within the rule of law, which means trial then sentencing then hanging if found guilty. Even then nobody should feel good about it, it should be a time to look back and see where we fucked up as a country.

I dont care about Princip or any other foreigner, this is the USA we are different , even though we are doing our damdest to become a banana republic in the last 10 years

 

[fastfwd]

make $100K with a high school diploma
http://www.sjpd.org/joinsjpdblue/

So a couple things. First, the article you quoted from was published in 2012, a few months after voters passed a pension-reform bill that was thought to be necessary in order to keep the city from going bankrupt (thanks to short-sighted earlier administrations who traded pay freezes for extraordinarily generous retirement benefits, etc. -- the same sort of thing that drove a lot of private-sector companies into bankruptcy at around the same time).

That bill was nullified in 2016 and replaced by another that was a little less draconian, but around here the job still doesn't pay (over a lifetime) anywhere near as much as it used to.

But still, ~$100K starting salary is pretty good, right?

Unfortunately, no. For a family of four, $100K household income qualifies you for low-income housing assistance in San Jose. So you can't have a family of four; it'll just be you and maybe your significant other or a kid. Median rent for a two-bedroom apartment is $3200; that's $38400 a year -- call it $40K with utilities if you don't use the AC much. Taxes will take ~$50K since you don't have a mortgage-interest deduction (not that you'd have much of a deduction anyway under Trump's tax plan). That leaves you with $10,000 to spend on everything except your housing.

It isn't hard to see why someone in San Jose who really wants to be a cop might spend half a year at the academy, try to make ends meet for another year or two -- maybe commuting an hour or more each way so he can get an apartment for "only" $2500 -- then just quit in frustration and move to a place where earning a cop's salary means he can afford to take his wife out to dinner once in a while, or save for a house or whatever.

In San Jose -- and in the Bay Area generally -- the difficulty in attracting and retaining police officers doesn't have anything directly to do with liberal cop-hating voters, or gun-control laws, or politicians or immigrant criminals or the terrible music kids listen to these days. It's just money: the outrageous cost of housing coupled with the city's inability to pay higher salaries because it's also covering retirement benefits and expensive healthcare costs.

In my opinion, anyway.

 

[ArmyJerry]

cops have always got paid like shit,, but they can retire in 25 years.

 

[Bender]

I miss the Sheriffs Department.

I don’t miss the pay.

 

[candyx]

Friend retired at 45 and now walks to his mailbox for 90K year plus benefits. Most others go work for the County and rack up another pension so you can walk to your mailbox for 150-200K year ,not a bad gig .

 

[Bender]

Friend retired at 45 and now walks to his mailbox for 90K year plus benefits. Most others go work for the County and rack up another pension so you can walk to your mailbox for 150-200K year ,not a bad gig .

Try it out. Let me know how it goes.

 

[Blutroop]

Oregon is a red flag gun confiscation state. Good smart cops should leave all red flag states now before they find a house of someone who is prepared and decides to stand on the constitution. It takes a lot less than you think

 

[candyx]

Try it out. Let me know how it goes.

To old now, but the Town he was in was affluent so the worst that could happen was him getting yelled at by the Chief for giving some older Jewish lady a parking ticket and that was only because the Mayor yelled at the Chief.

I'v worked construction in bad areas that the Police wouldn't even go down the street and he was carrying a gun.

Its like being a garbage man with a gun because you have to deal with the worst of society, yes you have those days you might save someone or deal with normal people but those are far and few in between. The profession diffidently takes a toll on you more mentally then physically providing you don't get shot on the job.

 

[FS1]

Arm all Libs to the teeth. They will all kill each other and maybe some will die trying to shoot conservatives. Problem solved.

 

[hermosabeach]

Yes- San Jose PD is getting better-

But stop for a second and think - $100K for an officer...
That is not poverty as the bulk of the town makes way less than that

https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Location=San-Jose-CA/Salary

sure google engineers make $125K

What does the typical Non college grad make in San Jose..... If you are married.. and making $150K+ then Palo Alto is out of your budget... Lots of places around the foothills to buy a 4-5 bedroom home for $900K- 1.3M


stop for a second... how many high school grads - no college- buy Million Dollar homes???

 

[W54/XM-388]

cops have always got paid like shit,, but they can retire in 25 years.

Over in our neck of the woods, the pay seems fairly decent for the cost of living. $60k starting to $90K plus benefits + pay/benefits while in academy.

 

[Strykervet]

My ex did apartment management. They ran background checks and turned people down for the most petty shit, so yeah, I can see it being a problem. I told her to fudge it or not do it but she said it's a corporate thing they can't get around. A big deal. Did it help with crime on the property? Nope. Cars broke into all the time, shit stolen from clubhouses, etc., shit stolen from the office, apartments burglarized, even illegal alien kid fuckers --which get this, nobody would do anything about! Took forever to get rid of him, but hey, his mexican crimes didn't show up and he's untouchable in the US. As far as I know, he left but got away with it. Meanwhile, a guy that got busted for selling half an ounce of marijuana 35 years ago can't get an apartment because he's a convicted felon. Forget the fact he can walk in there today with twice that amount in his pocket and be totally legal. It's bullshit.

You can't send people to jail for marijuana or getting into a fight or whatever, then say they "paid for their crime" and then turn that into a life sentence --can't get shelter, can't get a job for food, etc. --these are some of the basics for life. So what do you expect them to do? They can starve and die or go back to crime. I know which I'd do, I think all of you do. I think that's the point though, a revolving door on prisons so that corporations who bought politicians can make more profit on slave labor and govt. pay per prisoner. I've seen Auschwitz style math too on how to increase bed numbers in these prisons so as to increase profits more. It's a bad situation all around.

I can't see this country continuing on it's path and expect good things out of it.

Say what you want about Norway prisons, the fact is recidivism is the lowest worldwide (I believe) and generally they leave prison with skills and are accepted readily into the workforce. The result is they leave crime behind and become productive citizens, which is what I'm sure most Americans not profiting from prisons would like.

The background checks for apartments and other social prejudice are likely coincidental but they play an integral role in people returning to prison, as do prison conditions. These people leave prison, most for crimes against the state, and leave totally unprepared for life outside. Prison is punishment enough, it's not necessary to ruin their prospects for a normal life forever.

I'd rather a drug dealer or car thief get out of prison with a degree or journeyman or certified this or that and able to get a good paying job and become part of society than get out pissed off and beat down and forced to do whatever it takes to get by, even if that includes burglary or even killing someone in order to get a few bucks.

It also wastes the shit out of taxpayer money. Unless you just like the existing system and don't mind paying for it.

 

[W54/XM-388]

My ex did apartment management. They ran background checks and turned people down for the most petty shit, so yeah, I can see it being a problem. I told her to fudge it or not do it but she said it's a corporate thing they can't get around. A big deal. Did it help with crime on the property? Nope. Cars broke into all the time, shit stolen from clubhouses, etc., shit stolen from the office, apartments burglarized, even illegal alien kid fuckers --which get this, nobody would do anything about! Took forever to get rid of him, but hey, his mexican crimes didn't show up and he's untouchable in the US. As far as I know, he left but got away with it. Meanwhile, a guy that got busted for selling half an ounce of marijuana 35 years ago can't get an apartment because he's a convicted felon. Forget the fact he can walk in there today with twice that amount in his pocket and be totally legal. It's bullshit.

You can't send people to jail for marijuana or getting into a fight or whatever, then say they "paid for their crime" and then turn that into a life sentence --can't get shelter, can't get a job for food, etc. --these are some of the basics for life. So what do you expect them to do? They can starve and die or go back to crime. I know which I'd do, I think all of you do. I think that's the point though, a revolving door on prisons so that corporations who bought politicians can make more profit on slave labor and govt. pay per prisoner. I've seen Auschwitz style math too on how to increase bed numbers in these prisons so as to increase profits more. It's a bad situation all around.

I can't see this country continuing on it's path and expect good things out of it.

Say what you want about Norway prisons, the fact is recidivism is the lowest worldwide (I believe) and generally they leave prison with skills and are accepted readily into the workforce. The result is they leave crime behind and become productive citizens, which is what I'm sure most Americans not profiting from prisons would like.

The background checks for apartments and other social prejudice are likely coincidental but they play an integral role in people returning to prison, as do prison conditions. These people leave prison, most for crimes against the state, and leave totally unprepared for life outside. Prison is punishment enough, it's not necessary to ruin their prospects for a normal life forever.

I'd rather a drug dealer or car thief get out of prison with a degree or journeyman or certified this or that and able to get a good paying job and become part of society than get out pissed off and beat down and forced to do whatever it takes to get by, even if that includes burglary or even killing someone in order to get a few bucks.

It also wastes the shit out of taxpayer money. Unless you just like the existing system and don't mind paying for it.

Those kind of ideas apparently are very unpopular with the "law and order" types that want lifelong punishments for stuff, but it is factually correct. Especially when you think that many things that make you suddenly an outcast were perfectly fine at the time the bill of rights was passed.
You'll notice however the politicians have been very careful to make sure that crime at any level doesn't disqualify you from political office...

There are folks running around in elected office that couldn't get jobs as school bus drivers, including some in Texas that are elected to posts in the "criminal justice" department.